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Thread: Dealing with AFK hide harvest macroer's
Vriko
Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:26 pm
#14
pkirk25 wrote:
If I were a creature handler, the edge of Coronet would be the place to release that unwanted rancor.
BWAHAHAHA! What a sight that would be. Some noob is AFK slaughtering butterflies, and then he gets eaten by a random rancor.
Nomorenerfs
Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:57 pm
#15
Unfortunately the devs HAVE said "yes its OK to afk macro".
And now I know you're saying B.S. prove it!
In game - Control H, Frequently Asked Questions, Gameplay, 2nd question/answer there.
Irishbear99
Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:45 pm
#16
I have accidentally once or twice happened upon a spawn of red dots and accidentally led them to suspected afk macro'ers...on accident. Didn't mean to do it. Really.
Vriko wrote:
pkirk25 wrote:
If I were a creature handler, the edge of Coronet would be the place to release that unwanted rancor.
BWAHAHAHA! What a sight that would be. Some noob is AFK slaughtering butterflies, and then he gets eaten by a random rancor.
Kalaf
Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:33 am
#17
"I only wish that macrosand the morons that used them were subject to "automatic duel acceptance""
LOL.... That goes along with how I feel about the starport spammers... I would willingly pay an extra $5 a mont if they would code it so that if you spam the same thing more then once every 180 sec(3 min) or a unending multi-part spam at all you become TEF to EVERYONE.... Have it applyto those damn barker droids to... Now that would be entertainment...
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Samtha
Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:25 am
#18
Temujin23 wrote:So, has any jackass figured out a macro to set up a camp, tell a droid or pet to attack a nearby critter so as not to disband the camp, harvest the hide or bone, and craft practice camps, while periodically breaking camp and setting up a new one? 'Cause that would be totally sw33t. If you could figure out a way to work traps in (say by having novice ch so you could have a pet and trapping droid out at the same time), you could master ranger without ever setting foot near your keyboard. Anybody who managed to do that would be so damn c00l, I'd have to retire out of shame for having actually played the game like a moron. Man, I'm such a tool.al-djinn'iMaster Ranger/TKM
/whisper I could macro all but the crafting part AFK
Duckfat
Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:06 am
#19
ForceFielding - I have to admit that I am one of the people that you have probably seen on the outskirts of Cnet murdering the static spawns. The thing is it would completely drive me insane to do it manually. I really want the hide but I am not about to pay 300 cpu for it either. I play this game to have fun and killing durnis for hours on end is not my idea of fun. Therefore I have a macro to do it and other unenjoyable tasks that this game requires me to do while AFK so that I can do stuff that I enjoy when I have the time to actually play the game. If there was a better more enjoyable way to get the hide I would do it in a heartbeat but on Corellia there is not. Why havent you seen the same thing happen on other planets when an uber resource spawns? Because they have more reasonable ways of getting the resource. Unfortunately for Corellian wooly the most reasonable way to do it is AFK.
Mugil - The thing is that the game does not force people to do anything but it does make it more appealing to do things in certain ways. In this instance if the devs would have made it so that each creature resource was obtainable in more sane quantities then people would actually hunt instead of doing it AFK since you would get more resources that way. Take the current situation as an example. If there was a creature that would have even given out a measly 50 hide per kill and had the average spawn of 9 mobs per lair then each mission pair would yield 900 hides. Such a mission would be able to be done in say 10 mins given travel time so in one 3 hour buff session you would do 18 mission pairs and get about 16k hide which I would gladly do. However there is no way I am going to do twice the missions for a quarter of the hides.
Basically I understand that doing things AFK is frowned upon but I choose to do it anyway because it allows me to actually have fun when I am actually at the keyboard. Now you say that you dont mind AFK entertainers because they provide you a service but what do you think the non-AFK entertainers think about them? When it comes to people being AFK it is always just relative to how it is affecting you and you cant take the good without the bad. You choose to do it manually and that is your dime. I think doing it blows chunks so I do it AFK so that I can actually do fun stuff when I play. Now who do you think is having more fun? You blasting the AFKers but having to do things in the game that make it seem more like work than play or the AFKers like me who get the chores done AFK then go out and have fun doing things with friends online?
ForceFielding you alsosay that static spawns are the bane of MMOs but I must disagree. The bane of MMOs is the fact that they require you to grind to get ahead. No one would grind AFK if there were no undesireable mindnumbing grinding to do. IMHO the best MMOs put more importance on completing quests that give more xp than you would get from killing random mobs. That way people are actually playing the game and interacting with the world rather than being required to strip mine it.
Phenix1050
Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:16 am
#20
Duckfat wrote:
IMHO the best MMOs put more importance on completing quests that give more xp than you would get from killing random mobs. That way people are actually playing the game and interacting with the world rather than being required to strip mine it.
Worst excuse ever. You're not required to do anything. You CHOOSE to play AFK since you'd have more fun as a higher level toon. Nobody put a gun to your head and said "You must be level 4 across the board by tommorrow." No, that was you and you alone. Don't blame the game. People can make insane amounts of XP while at the keyboard. If you don't want to, fine, but letting a computer play the game that you pay to play is just dumb.
I hate AFK buff-bots too. I may be in the minority here, but I generally choose not to use them. I would rather help an at the keyboard person, and, unless I'm doing high-end stuff, I'd rather forgo the buff than help the AFK loon. Yeah, that's just me, but don't say the game requires you to be such and such a level. Every proffession has things that they can do at certain levels. I went from Master Bounty Hunter to Teras Kasi Master in a few weeks. I only truly ground (solo missions on Dant.) two or three days. If you go after easier creatures when you're a lower level, it's easy to kill them and get decent XP. As you move up, kill harder things. Simple.
The important thing is that you can CHOOSE not to be another AFK weenie. There is no justification, unless one of your family members is gonna die if you don't get Master by next week or something.
TheUrbanPrimate
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:39 am
#22
I understand the allure of AFK macroing. Heck, I've even wanted to do it myself (*grumble* silly camping XP *greumble*). It isn't illegal, and there are lots of ways to justify it. (the game makes me do it, everyone else is doing it so why should I be left behind, etc...) In the end its a personal choice. However its also your choice in how you interact with known AFK macroers. You could even coordinate efforts with others on your server if there was enough interest.
I /ignore AFK ad barkers if I see their message repeatedly (without change) and make it a practice to never visit their store intentionally or by chance. I don't deal with them. There are other crafters out there. I'll find and deal with them. I don't use any sort of AFK buffbots. I don't make use of AFK entertainers either (I'll come back when there is a live person around). If I were to see someone AFK harvesting, I'd also make it a point to never buy resources or finished products (regardless of quality) from that person. Maybe if the players who hate AFK macroing were to make a concerted effort to reward those people who do not AFK Macro, instead of just complaining about it, more people would think twice about it. Then again... maybe not. *shrug*
I went into a crowded cantina and said Hello to every entertainer. One guy answered me back. I watched/listened to every entertainer for at least a minute each and then tipped each (about 25 in all) 1K credits. Only the guy who said hello back to me sent a 'thank you' in response. I left the cantina, but before doing so I hit the guy who had replied and thanked me with a 500k credit tip. At that point he (excitedly) thanked me again. I explained I appreciated him being there to actually interact with me. I can't gauruntee that guy will never AFK Perform, but I'm pretty sure he thinks twice about it after what I told him.
I /ignore AFK ad barkers if I see their message repeatedly (without change) and make it a practice to never visit their store intentionally or by chance. I don't deal with them. There are other crafters out there. I'll find and deal with them. I don't use any sort of AFK buffbots. I don't make use of AFK entertainers either (I'll come back when there is a live person around). If I were to see someone AFK harvesting, I'd also make it a point to never buy resources or finished products (regardless of quality) from that person. Maybe if the players who hate AFK macroing were to make a concerted effort to reward those people who do not AFK Macro, instead of just complaining about it, more people would think twice about it. Then again... maybe not. *shrug*
I went into a crowded cantina and said Hello to every entertainer. One guy answered me back. I watched/listened to every entertainer for at least a minute each and then tipped each (about 25 in all) 1K credits. Only the guy who said hello back to me sent a 'thank you' in response. I left the cantina, but before doing so I hit the guy who had replied and thanked me with a 500k credit tip. At that point he (excitedly) thanked me again. I explained I appreciated him being there to actually interact with me. I can't gauruntee that guy will never AFK Perform, but I'm pretty sure he thinks twice about it after what I told him.
Almagill
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:57 am
#23
Depends how I feel as to whether or not I'll use an AFK buffer. Sometimes I will, sometimes I won't.
Likewise, sometimes I'll see an AFK'er splattering spawn just outside a startertown, and I'll think, poor newbs, no wonder they're all up the other end fighting over the one nuna... and I'll wipe the area clean. Othertimes I'll set up a little upstream of them and start harvesting the spawn myself.
Sometimes I might even AFK it.
For the most part it comes down to how folk prefer to 'play' the game. If afk'ing it gets them to their target, fair enough, let them get on with it. If it's something thats in-game and isn't 'illegal', well, all's fair in love and war, eh?
Likewise, sometimes I'll see an AFK'er splattering spawn just outside a startertown, and I'll think, poor newbs, no wonder they're all up the other end fighting over the one nuna... and I'll wipe the area clean. Othertimes I'll set up a little upstream of them and start harvesting the spawn myself.
Sometimes I might even AFK it.
For the most part it comes down to how folk prefer to 'play' the game. If afk'ing it gets them to their target, fair enough, let them get on with it. If it's something thats in-game and isn't 'illegal', well, all's fair in love and war, eh?
ForceFielding
Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:21 am
#24
I said screw it and started macroing the stuff too .. best decisionI made in awile (if you can't beat, em, join 'em). My hand hurt from clicking too many buttons in this game. NowI can watch Football. surf the Net,and get about 1400 Corellian Wooly per hour. (plus more scaley and less leathery on the side). Not as much asI can get by hunting in the wild but there is even a spot where 2 statics are close that I can run back and forth with my macro running and get the most Corellian Wooly that is possible per hourin the game (given the current planetary yield table).
RabidDuK
Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:16 pm
#25
JBMat wrote:
"See that macroer there, wanna bet I can drop him in 5 shots" "I can do it in 4" "Drop that macroer"
Priceless. Thanks for the laugh, JB.
Duckfat
Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:06 pm
#26
Phenix1050 wrote:
Duckfat wrote:
IMHO the best MMOs put more importance on completing quests that give more xp than you would get from killing random mobs. That way people are actually playing the game and interacting with the world rather than being required to strip mine it.
Worst excuse ever. You're not required to do anything. You CHOOSE to play AFK since you'd have more fun as a higher level toon. Nobody put a gun to your head and said "You must be level 4 across the board by tommorrow." No, that was you and you alone. Don't blame the game. People can make insane amounts of XP while at the keyboard. If you don't want to, fine, but letting a computer play the game that you pay to play is just dumb.
Well I was trying to be civil about explaining why people do things AFK but it seems that others just like to flame. The worst part is that they are so narrow minded that they either cannot read or have very poor reading comprehension. Where in my entire post did I say that I am required to do things AFK? I stated that the game requires you to grind and that is why people choose to do things AFK because they would rather have fun playing than mindlessly grinding. Therefore they grind AFK and do more fun things when ATK. And for your information I have never done AFK xp grinding, and the reason for the harvesting grinding is because there is a time limit to how long this spawn will be available and so in essence I must get them by tomorrow (well maybe not tomorrow but by the end of the spawn). If you dont like AFKers fine, but who is dumber the guy getting his money worth by doing the boring stuff AFK so he can have fun while ATK or the guy paying to mindlessly grind almost all his ATK time so that he can call people weenies on an anonymous forum.
I hate AFK buff-bots too. I may be in the minority here, but I generally choose not to use them. I would rather help an at the keyboard person, and, unless I'm doing high-end stuff, I'd rather forgo the buff than help the AFK loon. Yeah, that's just me, but don't say the game requires you to be such and such a level. Every proffession has things that they can do at certain levels. I went from Master Bounty Hunter to Teras Kasi Master in a few weeks. I only truly ground (solo missions on Dant.) two or three days. If you go after easier creatures when you're a lower level, it's easy to kill them and get decent XP. As you move up, kill harder things. Simple.
LOL this is hilarious. You go and flame AFKers and yet you admit to using them to suit your needs. You state that you would rather use ATK people but sometimes you use AFKers. Well guess what I would rather play ATK but I have other responsibilities IRL so I use that time AFK. Its not like I leave my toon AFK even when I have time to play ATK. And its not about trying to be uber and gaining levels. I have been playing since launch and have never grinded profs. If you were to come to Bria and examine my toon you will see that I have only the three mastered professions that I have had since my first few months playing. I do stuff AFK because I have better things to do ATK and it allows me to get the mindless grinding done, like hunting durnis.
The important thing is that you can CHOOSE not to be another AFK weenie. There is no justification, unless one of your family members is gonna die if you don't get Master by next week or something.
Its funny that you say this because it is my family and friends IRL that I feel justify my AFK play. Its not that they would die or anything but I have obligations to them IRL that are more important to me than playing the game. So I take care of those obligations and leave my toon AFK in the meantime. Maybe you care that some anonymous person calls you a weenie on a forum more than you do about real life but not me. I would rather be an AFK weenie than a weenie in the eyes of my family and friends.