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Thread: Dealing with AFK hide harvest macroer's
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TheUrbanPrimate
Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:32 pm
#27
Duckfat wrote:
Its funny that you say this because it is my family and friends IRL that I feel justify my AFK play. Its not that they would die or anything but I have obligations to them IRL that are more important to me than playing the game. So I take care of those obligations and leave my toon AFK in the meantime. Maybe you care that some anonymous person calls you a weenie on a forum more than you do about real life but not me. I would rather be an AFK weenie than a weenie in the eyes of my family and friends.
Okay, you shouldn't come into a thread complaining about something with an opposing opinion and actually expect people to rally behind you, or in the case of something like this (which people feel so strongly about) to even understand your side of the argument. You feel justified playing the game AFK. You're just going to have to live with the fact that people exist within this game that believe that there is no possible justification for what you are doing.
Your hand hurts or your disability won't allow you to play for long periods of time. Petition the developers for streamlined control systems, and don't expect to be able to play as long as a 'healthy' person would. Macroing exists to help aleviate your suffering, not make you a 24/7 looped macro terror.
Everyone else is doing it so you might as well do it too? Congratulations on becoming part of the problemrather thanthe solution.
The game "requires" that you be a master before anything you do is worthwhile? First, Bull. Second, grind it out like the rest of us.
You have family, friends, important work, or other "real world" demands that limit your time? Tough. That's life. Your hectic schedule means you are a casual gamer. So play casually. Once again... you don't deserve to be logged into this game24/7 just because you have more important things to do. Make time to play the game and play it. You don't have enough play time to play your current profession? Choose another profession, or stop paying to play this game and move onto something that permits the level ofplay that your hectic lifestyle permits.
Are you going to change your ways because of anything I said? Nope. Why should you? You have a perfectly justifiable reason for what you're doing. And I'm just some anonymous person on the internet. Why should you care what I think. I only share the cost of supporting this game. I'm only entitled to an equal amount of the bandwidth. Why should anything I have to say matter?
Calculus_Entropy
Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:42 pm
#28
TheUrbanPrimate wrote:
You have family, friends, important work, or other "real world" demands that limit your time? Tough. That's life. Your hectic schedule means you are a casual gamer. So play casually. Once again... you don't deserve to be logged into this game24/7 just because you have more important things to do. Make time to play the game and play it. You don't have enough play time to play your current profession? Choose another profession, or stop paying to play this game and move onto something that permits the level ofplay that your hectic lifestyle permits.
QFE
TheUrbanPrimate
Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:15 pm
#29
First off... I'm not "pissed off", nor am I whining. I have an opinion (as does everyone) and I voiced that opinion in a thread that was specifically meant for the voicing of similar opinions. If considering me to be angry and whining somehow improves your self image, then feel free to boost yourself however ya like. I think stooping to personal attacks (i.e. insulting my intelligence quotient) is below both of us, so I'm not going to return fire and force us both to continue on in some inane flame war that won't mean anything to anybody (including you and me). After all you don't care if someone online calls you a weenie, and I don't care if someone online thinks I'm dumber than dirt.
Now I'm going to write a 'short' reply to your points as I'd rather spend my time playing the dang game than arguing over it (the somewhat witty side of me wants to make a snide comment here about how with a good macro I could do both, but the reasonable side of me knows that such a comment would only invite retaliation. Please consider this metioning of it to be an atempt at levity and not a personal attack of any sort).
Duckfat wrote:
First off I never came into this thread complaining.
My statement was meant to imply that this thread was about complaining (about AFK Macro Users) and that you came into the thread with a differing opinion hoping to show us your side. The fact is that most of us have made up our mind and don't think you have a side. That is what I was trying to say.
LOL where the hell this this crap come from?
You are mistakenly assuming that all of my post was directed at you or your comments. It was, in fact, only inspired by your comments. I posted several other reasons people (other than yourself) have given for using AFK Macros and what my opinion of those reasons were.
Hell I have been doing it from day one with my sampling macro to get resources before any harvestors came out and the way I see it everyone else is copying me ... And people like you would rather just get pissed off and whine.
I've addressed that I'm neither upset nor (in my opinion) whining. You're free to feel that I am. As for the comment you were replying to. It wasn't specifically directed at you in the first place.
LOL again where the hell do you come up with this crap?
Again this was not directed specifically at you, but at the topic of this thread. All of this 'crap' is what your fellow Macroers are telling us are their valid reasons for what they are doing. The entirety of my post was meant to be my opinion of the entire situation and not my opinion of you.
According to SOE this game was designed for the casual gamer. So I play it casually. Just because its not the way SOE says its supposed to be doesnt mean I have to change my play style. Oh and I do deserve to play the game the way I see fit since I pay the same fees you do. You dont like having AFK players in your game why dont you choose another one and stop playing a game that allows macros to be used. I am having fun in this game, why would I change? Because AFKers bother you? Get over it.
You are right I am not going to change my ways. Why should I? So I can be all pissed off like you? I am able to have fun and bypass all the boring stuff AFK and that is enough justification for me. I would care what you think if it wasnt something so petty as crying that someone is doing things that require no skill while AFK. I pay the same amount as you do and I only use up the same amount of bandwidth as you so I have no idea what you are crying about.
Several points here. First you are a casual player, but your character is not being played casually. Depending on the length of time your leaving it online its being played even longer than the 'hardcore player' is expected to be playing (10 - 14 hours a day). I do enjoy this game, even the mindnumbing aspects of it, and I do want to play it during my scheduled play time (which isn't as often as I like due to my demanding, but ultimately rewarding, career). My issue is that, if you know anything about client/server relationships, you being online 24/7 means you are using server resources even when you are not actually playing the game. This also means that, on particularly full servers, other players might not be able to log on or may suffer slower connections (depending on server code that I am not privy to) because you are in the game even though you're not really playing it at that time.
Now... if you had reason to believe that other players were decreasing the value of a game you loved, or even making it more difficult for you to actually participate in it... wouldn't you be a little upset (or at least have an opinion) about it? Be honest. I'm not looking to burn you here. Just offering you my side of all this (although therealist in mesuspects that you won't see my side any clearer than I see yours).
Now that you ask though why should anything you say matter when you have the IQ of a potato? Want a little more cheese with your whine?
I wonder if you even realize how unneccesary this was? A personal attack in what was otherwise a fairly civil discussion. Of course I doubt you'll admit to being wrong in any way. *sigh*
In the end... I've already discussed how I handle AFK Macro Users. I'll keep right on doing what I'm doing, You'll keep right on doing what you're doing, and we'll be on totally different galaxies so we won't ever personally affect each other in a negative way. It's a philosophical difference, not a personal attack. Ultimately the AFK Macro situation is Sony's problem, and they'll handle you guys if they want to. Because I'm against the AFK Macro I will continue to voice my opinion on it in threads like this so Sony sees my disaproval. You'll continue to find ways to subvert the system until you either get tired of doing so or Sony comes up with a way to totally eradicate AFK Macroing (I'm thinking thats unlikely). Feel free to comment. Please at least try to acknowledge my attempt to keep this civil and non-personal if you do.
I'm done talking about the game for one evening. I'm going to go grab an hour or two of play time before I go to bed.
DoctorDe
Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:20 am
#30
What the game should do is that if you have an afk flag up, it should force log you after, say 40 mins, no matter what. That would care of excess afk macroers.
Phenix1050
Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:23 am
#31
Duckfat wrote:
Well I was trying to be civil about explaining why people do things AFK but it seems that others just like to flame. The worst part is that they are so narrow minded that they either cannot read or have very poor reading comprehension. Where in my entire post did I say that I am required to do things AFK? I stated that the game requires you to grind and that is why people choose to do things AFK because they would rather have fun playing than mindlessly grinding.
You should read more carefully yourself. As I said, "the game does NOT require you to do ANYTHING". I didn't specify. Grinding, at the keyboard, or away from it, is a choice we all have to make. Yes, you can go through camping at the keyboard AFK, or you can grind it at the keyboard. Or, you can choose to just make camps when you have wounds to heal. I have chosen that last option since grindingthat sort of thing makes no sense to me.
If you dont like AFKers fine, but who is dumber the guy getting his money worth by doing the boring stuff AFK so he can have fun while ATK or the guy paying to mindlessly grind almost all his ATK time so that he can call people weenies on an anonymous forum.
Well I can't tell you who's dumber but I can tell you who's smartest. umm...how about the guy who ENJOYS the climb through the proffessions? Who doesn't feel that the game has to be all Masters or above? One of the best times I had in this game was going through BH. I love Ranger and going through it multiple times (on different servers) is the most rewarding experience of my life. But the BH missions are FUN if you role-play. There's no way to AFK a BH mission, to my knowledge, and that makes it even better. I enjoy the climb because there really is no need to be master anything.
LOL this is hilarious. You go and flame AFKers and yet you admit to using them to suit your needs. You state that you would rather use ATK people but sometimes you use AFKers. Well guess what I would rather play ATK but I have other responsibilities IRL so I use that time AFK.
Hey, I admit, Ihave used AFK botsonce or twice when doing high-end stuff. Usually I prefer to pop a few brandy than to use them.There arecertain times when humans are hypocritical. And yes, it's awful. But I'm trying to get rid of that situation. You are encouragingit. I am not. BTW, we ALL have real life concerns. I'm a full time double-major college student and a varsity athlete.Believe me there are times I wish I could collect hide during practice or when I'm in the library. But we ALL make sacrifices, except for people who AFK. That's why I don't like them. They get the benefits ofplaying without any of the cost.
Its funny that you say this because it is my family and friends IRL that I feel justify my AFK play. Its not that they would die or anything but I have obligations to them IRL that are more important to me than playing the game.
Don't we all? Some people just have to juggle their lives around to fit in a hunt. More often, people don't play when they have obligations. What makes you different from them? Why is YOUR time so incredibly valuable that you have to leave your toon hunting while your doing this?
So I take care of those obligations and leave my toon AFK in the meantime. Maybe you care that some anonymous person calls you a weenie on a forum more than you do about real life but not me. I would rather be an AFK weenie than a weenie in the eyes of my family and friends.
Let me ask you this: if you skipped out of work (or school- I don't know how old you are) and were still getting paid while you were spending time with your friends and family, do you think they would respect you? I know my family would be pissed. Hunting is my job in SW:G. If I do it AFK, I'm getting paid for not actually being there. My family doesn't respect that kind of thing. So, while I don't know you, or your family or friends, if they respect hard work, you may be both an AFK weenie and a weenie in their eyes.
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 10-22-2004 09:25 AM
Nomorenerfs
Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:28 pm
#32
DoctorDe wrote:
What the game should do is that if you have an afk flag up, it should force log you after, say 40 mins, no matter what. That would care of excess afk macroers.
It was originally designed to do just that - if you didn't "do" something, it would auto-afk you, and if you continued to do nothing, it would auto-log you. Then people circumvented it (look at the afk zombies at any cantina).
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