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yea, i'm not charging for anyone to group with me either, but it will help the guildies a lot... I am working on re-getting master ranger before they drop the xp for trapping by a factor of 10 =)

I would personally prefer grouping or not grouping not having any affect on harvest amount whatsoever for the general novice scout + combatter or even a small penalty, then this extra 10 or 20% bonus to group members we're "teaching" is fine, and I'm even fine with me not getting a bonus just for having a student in my midst.

Of course, the numbers do need to be reviewed, and it looks like phenix has a good start..

... So much negativity, I almost didn't recognize this as the ranger boards

*hugs Tiggs* Thanks for stopping in, it's not negativity... it's umm... misplaced constructiveness =)

Message Edited by LastEE on 02-19-2005 01:37 AM

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Tiggs wrote:

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Atherin wrote:

You are fogetting that the MR already gets a bonus to his harvest just for being a MR. He gets 20% on top of that for being in a group. And the group members get 40% on top of whaterver profession bonus they also have.

We will have to test the numbers but it looks at first blush to work out fairly equitably.

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Exactly!! Like I said earlier this is a bonus for grouping not for being a master ranger/ranger.

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So let's just say for example (not real numbers) that a MR already gets a bonus of about 40% to harvesting over other professions. In a group setting he will get an additional 20% bonus for being in a group and the people he is grouped with will get the40% bonus (over-riding the 20% group bonus since it is the higher bonus of the two) for being grouped with the MR making him a valuable asset to include in group hunts. So in this theoretical example it would work out to:
MR=+60% harvesting bonus and
others=+40% harvesting bonus.

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Tiggs wrote:

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Atherin wrote:

You are fogetting that the MR already gets a bonus to his harvest just for being a MR. He gets 20% on top of that for being in a group. And the group members get 40% on top of whaterver profession bonus they also have.

We will have to test the numbers but it looks at first blush to work out fairly equitably.

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Exactly!! Like I said earlier this is a bonus for grouping not for being a master ranger/ranger.

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It's a bonus for everyone except the Master Ranger.

We shouldn't be harvesting less that anyone else in the group.

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DeQuosaek wrote:

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Tiggs wrote:

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Atherin wrote:

You are fogetting that the MR already gets a bonus to his harvest just for being a MR. He gets 20% on top of that for being in a group. And the group members get 40% on top of whaterver profession bonus they also have.

We will have to test the numbers but it looks at first blush to work out fairly equitably.

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Exactly!! Like I said earlier this is a bonus for grouping not for being a master ranger/ranger.

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So let's just say for example (not real numbers) that a MR already gets a bonus of about 40% to harvesting over other professions. In a group setting he will get an additional 20% bonus for being in a group and the people he is grouped with will get the40% bonus (over-riding the 20% group bonus since it is the higher bonus of the two) for being grouped with the MR making him a valuable asset to include in group hunts. So in this theoretical example it would work out to:
MR=+60% harvesting bonus and
others=+40% harvesting bonus.

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Unless another Master Ranger is in the group in which both MR's will feed off of each others bonus. The MR's would recieve the full 40% then and using your hypothetical math, the original 40% they already have over other professions, meaning 80%.

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frightwig wrote:

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TheClay wrote:
So... A Rifleman with ranger xx4x will be able to harvest more than the Master Ranger he is grouped with?

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QFE

Excellent point to consider!

Situation: two group members. 1 master, 1 0040 ranger.
0040 ranger has a harvest boost of +40%
Master ranger has a boost of +20%.

Although I haven't done the math or tested this yet (let's not get in a panic until we test this), I do think that master ranger would be slightly outharvested by his group member.

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I will test this as soon as TC-Gorath comes up. I can have 2 accounts up at once so won't be too difficult

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ShaikeRamjet wrote: Unless another Master Ranger is in the group in which both MR's will feed off of each others bonus. The MR's would recieve the full 40% then and using your hypothetical math, the original 40% they already have over other professions, meaning 80%.

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The increased harvest a Ranger has is a skill mod that we pay skill points for, just as other professions pay skill points for whatever level harvesting mod they have, it is not a bonus. As far as bonuses are concerned everyone starts at ground zero - you cannot assume skill mods as part of a bonus when they have other costs associated with them.

Its nice that a Ranger can provide her groupmates with a bonus to their harvesting, but it still does not make sense that everyone in the group benefits except for the Ranger. If having a Ranger in a group provides a group benefit then EVERYONE in the group should get that benefit. Including the Ranger.

Message Edited by Vorpaks on 02-18-2005 03:19 PM

First off, the MR should not end up harvesting less than anyone with this system. A MR has +50 harvesting on a MS, and +10 on a xx4x ranger. The MS does not even come close, though while the ranger does, keep in mind the MR will now get the 30% bonus and this will keep the MR on top for harvesting.

Even MRs not benefiting from their own presence is not without precedent, just ask entertainers. I see the point people are making, but a MR is not going to benefit from a non-MR the same that a non-MR would benefit from a MR, but guess what, the MR still benefits more in the end anyway in most cases.

I really think this is an issue that is not huge and would you not rather the devs move on and add more improvements instead of spending more time reworking the system over something like this?

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Vorpaks wrote:

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ShaikeRamjet wrote: Unless another Master Ranger is in the group in which both MR's will feed off of each others bonus. The MR's would recieve the full 40% then and using your hypothetical math, the original 40% they already have over other professions, meaning 80%.

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The increased harvest a Ranger has is a skill mod that we pay skill points for, just as other professions pay skill points for whatever level harvesting mod they have, it is not a bonus. As far as bonuses are concerned everyone starts at ground zero - you cannot assume skill mods as part of a bonus when they have other costs associated with them.

Its nice that a Ranger can provide her groupmates with a bonus to their harvesting, but it still does not make sense that everyone in the group benefits except for the Ranger. If there is a Ranger in the group EVERYONE in the group should benefit. Including the Ranger.

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Excatly my opinion too. Otherwise why would a ranger want to hunt in a group? And if rangers choose to hunt solo then there goes the bonus for everyone.

Let me get this straight...
All players are within 64m, harvesting...
1. Me (a novice ranger), by myself = no bonus
2. Me (a NR) + a rifleman (RM) = Me (20% bonus) + RM (30% bonus)
3. Me (a NR) + a RM + a master ranger (MR)= Me (40% bonus) + RM (40% bonus) + MR (30% bonus)

Is this correct?

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Zaene1 wrote:

Excatly my opinion too. Otherwise why would a ranger want to hunt in a group? And if rangers choose to hunt solo then there goes the bonus for everyone.

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Because the ranger will get a 20% or 30% bonus. Who cares if someone else gets 40%, they are still harvesting less than you, and if you feel that strongly about it than charge for your services.