Ranger Archive
Thread: Revised harvesting changes..
Owen-Lars
Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:09 pm
#144
Me and kimi just did a little testing on Tc-Prime:
Ranger Tracking 2 (30% bonus given when in group)
Ungrouped: 27 Meat
Grouped: 32 Meat
Scout Hunting 3 (20% bonus given when in group)
Ungrouped: 21 Meat
Grouped: 28 Meat
Scout gets a 30% increase up by 7 units when grouped with a ranger, rangeronly gets 5 more meaning the ranger is less off in this situation.
The ranger still harvests marginally more but the difference between the two is decreased.
My investment in harvesting was 24 points, Kimis was 92 yet i got a bigger increase to harvesting. Not making me harvest more than him but reducing the amount he havest over me. 68 sp more than me yet i got the biggest increase.
As soon as gorath comes up we will be testing out the changes on higher level beasts and with the master scout/master ranger combo which should yeild only 10% difference in single yeild. Could be wrong and thats what these tests are for but i expect the same dissapointing results.
Calculus_Entropy
Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:11 pm
#145
I really don't think people will pay to group just for the harvesting bonus. They should have no problem finding someone to group with them to get the bonus. They differences in % are not enough to justify charging for grouping.
Besides, why should we have to charge for grouping if we should get the bonus % in the first place?
Owen-Lars
Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:14 pm
#146
I agree, we dont want to go down the road where we are paid just to sit ina list. We trigger the 'group' bonus, we are a part of that group therfore we should get the bonus too.
All this means is a ranger will find it ten times harder to get intoa situation where they are getting the full bonus simply because they are a ranger. I dont mind increasing the effectiveness of others to a degree as a hunting guide but not recieving the bonuses myself? bah
ShyGirl
Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:14 pm
#147
Because that's like getting money for free, and speaking for myself I couldn't live with that.... That's why I dismiss that as a sales object (I am not a vulture, I get paid for tangible services).
Kalano wrote:
Now, Why haven't a single one of you thought of the idea of CHARGING TO GROUP. Heck, i would consider going ranger for the fact that i could charge others to get the bonus of being with me.
Calculus_Entropy
Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:16 pm
#148
ShyGirl wrote:
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
FYI - I requested the other Harvesting thread be locked so that we can have all the discussion in one place.
I fugured, you had something to do with it
/halo 
Owen-Lars
Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:51 pm
#150
Some of the the non attackable npcs attackers have been fixed ken and so has the spawn issues but there are still some spynet freaks attacking me even though i cant attack them lol.
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:57 pm
#151
Kalano wrote:
I'm not a ranger, played a scout almost the whole time in the games since early beta.
Now, Why haven't a single one of you thought of the idea of CHARGING TO GROUP. Heck, i would consider going ranger for the fact that i could charge others to get the bonus of being with me.
As a ranger... (there is the difference with you) I have not much need for credits... For me it's gameplay that counts. I don't need nor want to make billions of credits that I cannot spend on anything worthwhile...
Just my 2cts (got it?)
Almagill
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:02 pm
#152
Owen-Lars wrote:Some of the the non attackable npcs attackers have been fixed ken and so has the spawn issues but there are still some spynet freaks attacking me even though i cant attack them lol.
Sorry Owen, I pulled my post when I tried logging and found TC /TC Gorath are all showing down.
I'm afraid any comment I might be tempted to add wouldn't be helpful right now.
frightwig
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:05 pm
#153
Yeah Ken, commoners and spynets were both still attacking me today (I'm imperial). Wouldn't be so bad if I could attack them back.. I end up double clicking them and defualting to "converse".
Lairs aren't disappearing though, and the heavy spawns seem to be back to normal, so it's not so hard to find something to harvest as it was a couple of days ago. Unfortunately TC-gorath was down last time I checked.
But, back on topic.. and to address a post above. Rangers didn't ask to be "needed" or to have that role (to help others and charge money for it). We already have that. In fact it's our only two useful abilities! Tracking for money, and harvesting.
What we asked for is to have our group penalty removed and to be given more functionality. Instead, anyone who groups is increased that much closer to our own harvesting abilities. No one really needs to find, hire or group with a master ranger to receive the exact same bonus a master ranger gets - 20% (unless he finds another master ranger to get his 40%).
The simple fact is that most people will just group for the 20%. +30 or +40% isn't that much of a benefit to spend the time trying to find another ranger or master ranger, especially if one is 0040.
an 0040 ranger can simply group with a friend, hunt together and receive the 20% boost, and have the same harvesting ability as a master ranger with none of the skillpoint cost. Yet another reason why mastering ranger is more of a hindrance than just going 0040.
Lairs aren't disappearing though, and the heavy spawns seem to be back to normal, so it's not so hard to find something to harvest as it was a couple of days ago. Unfortunately TC-gorath was down last time I checked.
But, back on topic.. and to address a post above. Rangers didn't ask to be "needed" or to have that role (to help others and charge money for it). We already have that. In fact it's our only two useful abilities! Tracking for money, and harvesting.
What we asked for is to have our group penalty removed and to be given more functionality. Instead, anyone who groups is increased that much closer to our own harvesting abilities. No one really needs to find, hire or group with a master ranger to receive the exact same bonus a master ranger gets - 20% (unless he finds another master ranger to get his 40%).
The simple fact is that most people will just group for the 20%. +30 or +40% isn't that much of a benefit to spend the time trying to find another ranger or master ranger, especially if one is 0040.
an 0040 ranger can simply group with a friend, hunt together and receive the 20% boost, and have the same harvesting ability as a master ranger with none of the skillpoint cost. Yet another reason why mastering ranger is more of a hindrance than just going 0040.
Ssriiruki
Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:22 pm
#154
Calculus_Entropy wrote:TC-GorathVersion 0.113618Crafting / Harvesting
- There will no longer be a penalty to harvesting while in a group. Instead, there will now be a 20% harvesting bonus if you are in a group and at least one group member is within 64m of you when you harvest. If there is a Ranger present in your group and is within 64m of you, the group harvesting bonus will be 30% for you when you harvest. If there is a Master Ranger present in your group and is within 64m of you, the group harvesting bonus will be 40%.
I think these changes really move teh ranger proffession foward
DesktopSaki
Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:53 pm
#155
DaveG wrote:
Tiggs,
What I am about to say I have been saying sinceI heard about this change, and since the news your brought us, it has only confirmed my view.
Simply, on principal, the only fair way to deal with harvesting and groups is to remove the group penalty, and do not add any bonuses.
As things are now (in live) people are penalised for being grouped. If the TC changes go live, then solo players will be penalised instead. It is simply exchanging one problem for another, and thus not solving anything. It is really that simple.
To summerise, drop the group harvesting penalty, and drop the gruop harvesting bonuses. Please, we rangers are very patient folk, but I can honestly say that this is the firs time I've seen my correspondant saying he doesn't like something, and it's the first I've had 95 email notifications of a ranger message board in one evening. So, I think that eternal patience is now wearing thin this time. This is a very important issue that has so far not been handled correctly.
Excellent post, Dave, you summed up everything right to the point. Thank you. I agree with everything.
DesktopSaki
Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:56 pm
#156
Kalano wrote:
I'm not a ranger, played a scout almost the whole time in the games since early beta.
Now, Why haven't a single one of you thought of the idea of CHARGING TO GROUP. Heck, i would consider going ranger for the fact that i could charge others to get the bonus of being with me.
I am not charging my mates to group with me.