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Fodder650

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:58 pm

Isnt it fun when a redname shows in our forums? The darn things light up.

Canon Fodder - The former Ranger/CH now unplayed Smuggler
Down to one account and thats only because its a station pass
Currently a Droid Commander in City of Villians (really)

neinnunb

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:00 pm

#132

Tiggs, I would, but I don't have the space on my HD to join the TC,

What I do is I made a batch file to move the live files to TC folder and vice versa when I want to switch. Not all files but all files that are at least 25,000 KB in size. This way I am just using an extra 200 megabytes of hard drive space by having TC installed. I save 2.58 GB of hard drive space.

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GrigsOnia

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:03 pm

#133

I stand corrected.

Owen, I figured the same thing you did, that everyone in the group would receive the bonus, but I see now that is not the case.

I don't mind rangers handing out bonuses, I like that idea, but to not have the bonuses apply to ourselves is just wrong. That removes any interest in us leading groups out. I for one won't want to lead a bunch of scouts out harvesting so they can pull close to the amount I have, and remove a big part of my profit with a lot less skill points. Take for example doctors. Implement the same system for them, using wound treatment, and suddenly people without master doctor can buffalmost as well as the master doctors. How many of them would agree with this change? Lets look at the numbers. A ranger with 0040 has 90 skill points, a master has 100. Group them together, and the ranger 0040 gets a 40% boost, where the master gets a 30%. Lets say the master can harvest 100 units, the 0040 gets 90. After the boosts, the 0040 gets 126, and the master gets 130. The Master gets 4 more units of resource, at the cost of 43 skill points. No thank you, I will just hunt alone and get 10 more units per kill.

Grigs Onia

Ranger is a lifestyle, long may it endure!

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Fred_Skinner

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:07 pm

#134

The problem is not can a MR harvest more then anyone else in the group, he can still (I think). The problem is, the incentive for the ranger to group, is it enough? Also, the problem for the group; is the loss in power the MR will ultimaly mean to the group now overcome by the increase in harvest?

Tiggs, it's not a zero-sum game here, there is more to the dynamics then first meets the eye.

...and this does not give you other people liscense to troll the ranger forums

Frederick Skinner
Antarian Ranger, Ranger(0030), Master Rifleman, CH(4214)
Ranger is not a profession. It's a lifestyle.

DeQuosaek

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:18 pm

#135

Calculus_Entropy wrote:

If a Doctor can buff himself and his groups for equal amounts, why can't a Master Rangerget the same benefit of grouping that an non-Master Ranger gets?

And by the same regard why can't a Master Entertainer buff themselves?

I agree andI support Ents buffing themselves...

Yeah, it was brought up at the last Fan Fest and they basically said something along the lines of, "people would take musician or dancer just to buff themselves and that's not what we envisioned for the profession" or something to that effect. It's hard to imagine a combat profession grinding to Master Musician (which takes a LONG time) and spending all those skill points for a mind buff. And besides, people can become doctors just to buff themselves. I don't see how it is any different.

Some of my pet peeve bugs:
•Armorsmith protection layers were not converted with the CU.
•Ship Details window does not close when you click "Travel" resulting in the message "You have lost the target. Closing interface."

NerfBurger

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:21 pm

#136

Sorry Devs but you are using faulty logic on this one.

Yes, Master Rangers do get a harvesting bonus, and we pay dearly for it! Our skill point cost is one of the highestin the game. Our harvest bonus is paid for by those skill points,PERIOD.It has been stated by Tiggs that this is a bonus for groups and not for Rangers, but are we not in that group? Does it make sence that a Master Ranger can help a scout get 40% more harvest, butthat same Master Ranger wouldneed another Master Ranger to show us how we can get 40% more? The fact is we already know how, and by being in a group setting our skills are better utilized.

OK, lets look at this from a game-wide perspective. If by grouping with a Master Ranger the group gets a harvesting bonus and the Ranger does not, then this is a service. People charge for services, and if this makes it to live the way it is expect Rangers to charge for our skills. Funny thing is, this is what I envisioned for us from the get go. To act as a hunting guide and charge groups for our services. Lets look at some other proffessions and see how this applies.

Entertainers have a choice who they offer therebuffs to, Doctors have a choice who they buff, SL can use their skills at there discression. Rangers are now offering a buff, its not a direct HAM buff, but by definition it is still a buff just as veghash is. We now have no choice, we must group to get the maximum use out of our skills, yet as part of the hunting party we have no choice in the matter,everyone gets a 40% buff to their harvesting skill while we get 20% even if all the other people in the group are just novice scout.

I'm actuallty pretty mad right now, and was hoping that by talking about it I could make more sence of it, but as I read back what I wrote, I'm getting even more upset.... After I calm down a bit I'll try to make more sence.

Sorry Tiggs the numbers may point out a flaw in the numbers, but logic is logic!

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Rancorrider4

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:26 pm

#137

Tiggs wrote:

Meplorium wrote:

Tiggs wrote:

Owen-Lars wrote:

AragornSoS Wrote:

"If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)?"

Yep, as you are the master ranger, you are always within 64m of one so you get the bonus even if its only you out on your own (effectivelly allowing solo hunting group rangers, although who would want to after these changes?).

My apologies here but this is incorrect.

What happens is the bonus does a check and makes sure that someone around you is within 64m and if that someone is a ranger/master ranger it will select the highest bonus to apply as long as they are grouped with you. Sorry if the version notes were not clear.

It's a non-stackable bonus (example 3 master rangers in the group you get a one time bonus applied).

I hope this clears up the confusion.

The question is, and it wasn't at least clear to me, does the ranger, if near others in his group, get the bonus from himself for himself? What if there is another ranger in the group of the same skill. Do the rangers then get the bonus from each other?

This is a bonus for grouping not for being a master ranger/ranger.

To explain things better I hunted down Runesabre and here is what he had to say

The bonus is based on everyone around you. You being a Master Ranger does not benefit yourself in regards to this harvesting bonus. If you are a MR and grouped with a Rifleman, you will get a 20% bonus for having someone grouped with you within 64m. If you want the 40% bonus, you will need to have another MR grouped with you and within 64m.

Message Edited by Tiggs on 02-18-2005 01:28 PM

What in the hec is this????

We invest a couple of hundred skill points to be a Master Ranger, which already has next to ZERO benefit and we don't get a 40% bonus for ALREADY being a Master Ranger?

So Tiggs is it safe to assume that you folks are going to go through and remove the rest of the bonuses for all of the other professions' Master box? We obviously don't want players to be under the mistaken impression that they should benefit from being a Master of their own profession, regardless of skill points invested.

This really needs to be fixed. How much more are Ranger's supposed to endure from the Dev team?

nppmaHamus

o Galactic Geographic Explorero

Master Mountain Climber

DaveG

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:34 pm

#138

Tiggs wrote:

Atherin wrote:

You are fogetting that the MR already gets a bonus to his harvest just for being a MR. He gets 20% on top of that for being in a group. And the group members get 40% on top of whaterver profession bonus they also have.

We will have to test the numbers but it looks at first blush to work out fairly equitably.

Exactly!! Like I said earlier this is a bonus for grouping not for being a master ranger/ranger.

Tiggs,
What I am about to say I have been saying sinceI heard about this change, and since the news your brought us, it has only confirmed my view.

Simply, on principal, the only fair way to deal with harvesting and groups is to remove the group penalty, and do not add any bonuses.

As things are now (in live) people are penalised for being grouped. If the TC changes go live, then solo players will be penalised instead. It is simply exchanging one problem for another, and thus not solving anything. It is really that simple.

To summerise, drop the group harvesting penalty, and drop the gruop harvesting bonuses. Please, we rangers are very patient folk, but I can honestly say that this is the firs time I've seen my correspondant saying he doesn't like something, and it's the first I've had 95 email notifications of a ranger message board in one evening. So, I think that eternal patience is now wearing thin this time. This is a very important issue that has so far not been handled correctly.

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Phenix1050

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:35 pm

#139

Okay, let's test this before we go nuts. I'm concerned, yes, but let's not freak out first. I think we need to double-check how quickly two templaters can kill compared to a Master Ranger + scout templater. If one scout templater is better benefitted because of adding another templater because of the higher kill speed, then the point of making a Master Ranger give a +40% is moot.

When I get off work tonight, I'll test what I can. Are more people on TC-prime or TC=Gorath

PHE'NIX ANTARUS
BOTHAN ELDER RANGER
BEST LOOKINGSPY EVER--FOUNDER OF SATGWNIWNU
BURNING H*TPANTS SINCE 2003

This is horrible! I return to find my new title on the forum is "Jedi". What's up with that? If they wanted to confer that I'm rare and learned, they'd make my title RANGER. and then make it camo colored.

Calculus_Entropy

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:40 pm

#140

FYI - I requested the other Harvesting thread be locked so that we can have all the discussion in one place.

Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.

BaneShee

Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:02 pm

#141

It seems to me that the devs are going out of their way to make sure that this change is not perceived as a Rangerbonus. I'm guessing that all this began as a way to give players an incentive to group thus they are calling this a "grouping bonus". I know it sux but even if we are forced to eat dirt on this one, I still feel like we can and should be able to get this overturned when and if we get a revamp.

Kalano

Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:05 pm

#142

I'm not a ranger, played a scout almost the whole time in the games since early beta.

Now, Why haven't a single one of you thought of the idea of CHARGING TO GROUP. Heck, i would consider going ranger for the fact that i could charge others to get the bonus of being with me.

Hey, they don't get the bonus unless they are grouped with you, and within 64m. You got some power in the fact of how you can choose who gets the bonus. You could charge the others for the 40% you provide.

Stop thinking how you are screwed in not getting as much resource, but start looking at, getting paid to group for the bonus, plus the materials you get, you can sell also in which you also got a bonus.

As a crafter, seenthis before,if anyone complains you are price gouging and being greedy, tell them to find another ranger. You guys are rareright now, start making somecool cash. You will be a hot commodity now. You got something that others will want but can't provide on there own. 40% more resouces per harvest. How much does avian meat go for? Heck, start charging a percentage of the resource gathered to the going price. Make a flat out price for x number of hours or x number of creatures harvested, or x number of resources harvested.

Go make some money off of this bonus. Yeah, you don't get the big end of it, but no one gets it without you. There is a gold mine out there for the taking. Take it.

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ShyGirl

Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:08 pm

#143

Calculus_Entropy wrote:

FYI - I requested the other Harvesting thread be locked so that we can have all the discussion in one place.

I fugured, you had something to do with it

Anyways, I have to agree with DaveG..... Remove grouphunting penalties, and remove the new group hunting bonuses (Makes sense and it's simple).

This by itself is enough topromote group hunting.....

Xinea Nith
Elder Ranger - All Around NGE n00b

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