Politician Archive
Thread: Petition to remove Plinka from office.
Leafthemedic wrote:
BaalZamon wrote:
"4. Actually, I'll agree with this one for the same reason as above. Since you are not a Mayor on the live servers, you never could've caught the shuttle fee bug which now leaves us all wondering what other bugs that you will never catch because of this."
This bug was "caught" by Plinka in our city of New Hope on test center LONG before it hit live, it was reported by her and most of the test center regulars. The fact that it hit live was not from not finding it but the fact that is was not fixed by the dev's correctly.
You also wrote:
"3. What else is there for you to test about cities on the TC? No, serious question; I'd really like to know."
Well we are about to see tomorrow how the transfer of power goes when a new mayor is elected, we have already tested the effects of letting a city hall burn to the ground from lack of maintaince, we have see the effects of the patrol patterns of a faction base in a city (the troops stop moving when they hit a building). These are just a few examples of what we are testing and have recently tested on test center. If you have something you want tested let me know.
Dr. Took Alot
City of Skystone/Tatooine
Master Doctor/Trickshot on test center
Let me get this right, Plinka knew that the shuttleport would be deactivated if the fee was set to 0 but never warned us that this would be a possibility on live when cities were able to achieve Rank III? Yes the developers should've fixed it, but the residents of TC know the track record on problems actually being fixed. Secondly, you are telling me that every city on TC has to reset their shuttle fee after server reset like we have to now? I'd think this is a live issue, since I've never heard this mentioned once in all the threads she posted in the pre-correspondent days.
Transfer of power, not TC specific. City Hall destroyed, not TC specific. Patrol movements, not TC specific. What I am asking is what is there now on TC that cannot be duplicated on live, or could not be enabled for a correspondent from live? Oh, and I can't make up a buglist for things I haven't be able to encounter yet. i.e. city specifications. I'd love to give you a list of things I'd like tested, but the very nature of these things are gotcha moments. :}
I do every one of those seven things I listed.
Just to touch on /citywarn and my arguments for a moment. Where do you think I got those responses from? Look at the timing of the early posts and the early responses and notice how close together they are. It's almost like I'd heard those responses myself. Hmmm... I told everyone up front that I'd be arguing the dev side. But when I did that made me the bad guy.
About the chilestra thing: As soon as a thread starts turning negative and whiny I primarily ignore it. (this thread is the exception, not the rule) But that didn't stop me from reporting it directly to the devs via email. And if you look through the posts for that day you'll find that I DID respond to a separate thread started by Palor about the problem being reported.
What many of you seem to want is an ineffective diplomat to hold your hand. I'm not that person. I see a job, I do it. I don't pull punches, I tell it like I see it and I get the job done. I shoot straight. Don't expect diplomacy and don't expect me to hold anyone's hand.
About my not playing on Live. I've got nearly 600 hours of Live time in and I keep in touch with the issues. I even run a message board for one of the live PAs that was lucky enough to get a city in under the cap.
A correspondent is a two way voice. I present your views to the devs and I present the devs views to you. Some of you clearly don't like that last part.
So, if you don't like me, feel free to continue using this thread to vent on. That's what it's for. Just realize I won't be responding to it. There are far more important issues than whether or not you like me.
Good Day.
Well, I won't pull any punches either: it's one thing to do your job, and another to be a snot about doing it. People look here for answers, not attitude, and it's not OUR job to determine what you're giving us. Okay? 
~~Shabhaii, Mayor of Tombra, Naboo
www.cityoftombra.com
The REAL BT
"The FS system only rewards the Veruca Salt's of the MMO world . . . not the Charlie's"
About the chilestra thing: As soon as a thread starts turning negative and whiny I primarily ignore it. (this thread is the exception, not the rule) But that didn't stop me from reporting it directly to the devs via email. And if you look through the posts for that day you'll find that I DID respond to a separate thread started by Palor about the problem being reported.
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Plinka -- this above comment is VERY disrespectful to the Chilastra community. If you note, we didn't wait for you to to "hold our hand". We organized as a community, traded notes, and got the information to the devs ourselves. To call the thread we used to collect info whiny is indicative of why it may be a good idea for you to step down. This thread has turned me from a supporter of you, to one who thinks you now bring more cost than benifit.
And quite frankly, I missed your post on Friday, because rather than posting in the thread we were all tracking, you opted to bury your comment in Palor's thread EVEN THOUGH that one refered to the one we were all following.
The only thing we wanted to know from you was that you knew about it, and where to send the info we were collecting. We were more than happy to do the rest.
And this issue is not Chilastra only. It happened to a smaller extent on Scylla and the code that caused it to happen on Chilastra is sitting on all the live servers. However, we were able to get a LOT of information to the developers and hopefully it WON'T happen to others.
The hardest part on Friday is that until about 4:30pm when I recieved an email from one of the devs (after alerting them), it didn't seem like you or the devs were aware of the issue -- and when you are the mayor of a city with citizens all asking you what's going on -- it's a tough spot to be in to not be able to tell them anything.
I understand you have a life and there are going to be times (like perhaps friday) where you will be unable to respond in a timely manner (or at all, because you miss it). That's life. It's going to happen. We will get over it. However, your comments AFTER the fact, were unnecessary and inflamatory (not sarcastic as you claim) and in the end will make your role as a correspondant less effectual because your are increasingly alienating the population you are trying to represent.
And to me this is the tragic part, because you do get the job done. But you will be unable to continue to do so if you marginalize yourself.
BaalZamon wrote:
"What I am asking is what is there now on TC that cannot be duplicated on live, or could not be enabled for a correspondent from live?"
My response is:
What is there now onLive that cannot be duplicated on TC?
The best way to find bugs is to play the game as we all do on any server, we on test center just /bug it and post to the message boards and talk to Devs in game (when they want to talk to us and ask for our feedback). We get no free xp, money or anything on test center we have to play as you do (and still do on live on Naritus for me). The other point is that unlike for instance the rifle correspondant the position Plinka is in cannot be duplicated by "popping in on test center" and testing the new HAM costs of mind shot 3 and report it to you. A city, an active city is required to test things for Plinka, there are many players in Plinka's city and we are needed to help her with issues and do things you would not do for the sake of testing as we do on test center. And yes just like on live we had everyday the same shuttle issue (more because we sometimes go down for patches 3 or 4 times a day. She reports so many things, I have watched her in game speaking to Dev's about issues (this is in to addition to posts and PM's to Devs).
The last thing I need to say is that she is privy to information (as all are in her position) and cannot even tell us in our guild about changes before she is allowed to by the dev's, I have seen posts here in this forum that seem like she is not responding to your issue when in fact it has already been dealt with by the devs or the point will be a moot point with a new publish.
Dr. Took Alot
City of Skystone/Tatooine on Test Center
Master Doctor/Trickshot
G'na
Master Artisan/Master DE (by tomorrow) on Test Center
Tracy
Master Ranger/Pistoleer on Naritus
I /sign if she does not take a stand against the removal of citywar or atleast fighting for postponing it till an acceptable alternative is achieved.
There was nodiscussion about citywarn. Your explanation waslacking. You are representing the views of SOE toUS not the views ofUS to SOE. Simplelooks across the forums should tell you that there is a massive backlash againstremoval of citywarn. Instead of coming up with something to replace it with, according to you they are just going to remove it and instead of fighting what we feel is horrific, you tell us we just have to accept it you are representing your views not the views of the disenfranchised.
I don't accept such a defeatist attitude.
Perhaps the developers need to ask themselvesjust how long they want jobs. Im sure accounting can fill them in on what the rest of us all know... our populations are going back to EQ and DAoC.
Plinka wrote:
Well, I can see that sarcasm is clearly lost on this crowd. Let me clarify:
This is petulant foot stomping - not sarcasm (nor wit).
Plinka wrote:
I do every one of those seven things I listed.
Just to touch on /citywarn and my arguments for a moment. Where do you think I got those responses from? Look at the timing of the early posts and the early responses and notice how close together they are. It's almost like I'd heard those responses myself. Hmmm... I told everyone up front that I'd be arguing the dev side. But when I did that made me the bad guy.
Because you get grief over trying to push an unpopular dev decision you do not need tostart petulant little threads. Rather than gather arguments constructively you decided to go for confrontation - and you are suprised that it turned sour? Not too bright.
Plinka wrote:
About the chilestra thing: As soon as a thread starts turning negative and whiny I primarily ignore it. (this thread is the exception, not the rule) But that didn't stop me from reporting it directly to the devs via email. And if you look through the posts for that day you'll find that I DID respond to a separate thread started by Palor about the problem being reported.
Since you started this thread - I hope you don't ignore it. Otherwise why should anyone bother replying to your threads.
Plinka wrote:
What many of you seem to want is an ineffective diplomat to hold your hand. I'm not that person. I see a job, I do it. I don't pull punches, I tell it like I see it and I get the job done. I shoot straight. Don't expect diplomacy and don't expect me to hold anyone's hand.
Ooh Insulting people in general now huh? How grown up is that? Lots of go-getting words in there but they are showboating fluff. Nobody asked for a hand - againyou are re-positioning the argument on false premises.
You know what people want of you - you didn't provide the goods this time - and you get all stroppy about it.
Plinka wrote:
About my not playing on Live. I've got nearly 600 hours of Live time in and I keep in touch with the issues. I even run a message board for one of the live PAs that was lucky enough to get a city in under the cap.
ooh wow.. I'm... underwhelmed. My guess here is that people want someone who can collate, organise and represent views on both sides of the argument with knowledge of the issues. Simply playing 600 hours on TC does not automatically make you suitable for anything.
Plinka wrote:
A correspondent is a two way voice. I present your views to the devs and I present the devs views to you. Some of you clearly don't like that last part.
Clearly you don't understand the difference betweenpresenting the views ofDevs in a proffesional manner and making a personal crusade out of the issue and having a hissy fit.
Plinka wrote:
So, if you don't like me, feel free to continue using this thread to vent on. That's what it's for. Just realize I won't be responding to it. There are far more important issues than whether or not you like me.
Good Day.
This is your thread, written on your terms. Just because you did not get the resounding "we love you" response you are are now throwing a tantrum.
Tough. Live with the consequences of poor judgement.
Firetracker,
Plinka is not trying to push an unpopular dev decision as you say, the fact that a thread goes 9 pages (in the main /citywarn thread does not mean that the devs are going to change their mind. She presentsthe views of the players to the dev's and presents the decisions thedev's to the playerbase, it's seems like the only way to satisify people is to just have alog of every interaction between the devs and a correspondent and post it in a public forum. The only other comment I have about your post (no time nor desire to refute your other comments) is what you wrote here :
Plinka wrote:
About my not playing on Live. I've got nearly 600 hours of Live time in and I keep in touch with the issues. I even run a message board for one of the live PAs that was lucky enough to get a city in under the cap.
"ooh wow.. I'm... underwhelmed. My guess here is that people want someone who can collate, organise and represent views on both sides of the argument with knowledge of the issues. Simply playing 600 hours on TC does not automatically make you suitable for anything."
When Plinka wrote about 600 hours of Live time that was not test center time as you read it, it was 600 hours on the PRODUCTION servers, the ones you play on. Plinka has logged thousands of hours on test center as well, and plays everyday, 7 days a week for the most part as I do. Her posts and her ability to collate, organise and represent views on both sides of the discussion is very easy to see if you look at all of her posts, the fact that her sense of humor in some postsescapes some of you is not her problem.
My last comment is (and nothing in relation to your post) the fact that I have never seen another business that the customers of the business thought theyhave the power to direct how the business is run. If all the player suggestions were done by the dev's the game would not be playable or fun, the dev's do have the vision of where they want to take the game. The whole /citywarn thing makes it seem that unless it's back in the game nobody can live in a house anymore. We got along fine before there was a citywarn and I can wait until the devs rework it.
I am NOT signing.
My response is just to voice support for Plinka. And I'm not even a politician!
- GG Crew
RovaniDragon wrote:
While i dont agree with this thread all together, the fact that plinka is being a smart ass about this and her attitude lately is why i think its time for plink to go.
Rovani, I would love to see how you would do with this job. You must look at how much hard work Plinka has put into Politician and how much dedication she has to improving the game. Oh, by the way, you are really asking for it with the smart ass remark.
Whatever bugs there are did not come from Plinka, and they did not result in a lack of bug reports by Plinka. And about what BlindTyldak said about Plinka looking through 'our' eyes, I suggest looking through Plinka's first.
/shield
Reya
Plinka wrote:
Well, I can see that sarcasm is clearly lost on this crowd. Let me clarify:
I do every one of those seven things I listed.
Just to touch on /citywarn and my arguments for a moment. Where do you think I got those responses from? Look at the timing of the early posts and the early responses and notice how close together they are. It's almost like I'd heard those responses myself. Hmmm... I told everyone up front that I'd be arguing the dev side. But when I did that made me the bad guy.
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About my not playing on Live. I've got nearly 600 hours of Live time in and I keep in touch with the issues. I even run a message board for one of the live PAs that was lucky enough to get a city in under the cap.
A correspondent is a two way voice. I present your views to the devs and I present the devs views to you. Some of you clearly don't like that last part.
So, if you don't like me, feel free to continue using this thread to vent on. That's what it's for. Just realize I won't be responding to it. There are far more important issues than whether or not you like me.
I want to mention four quick things here before I move on as well.
1. What you call "this crowd" is actually the playerbase that you serve. Some folks here support you strongly, others don't. I must say that you sound a bit contemptuous of all of them.
2. You did not say that you would be arguing the devs' side on the /citywarn thread, you said you would be playing devil's advocate, which is supposed to mean pointing out flaws in the arguments presented. (We don't know what "side" the devs are on, or if they even have a "side." Some of them must like /citywarn, after all, they wrote it.) Instead of pointing out flaws in poster's arguments, you mostly made fun of the dumb ones and ignored the smart ones. Is that how you think a game developer would speak to us if he had the time?
3. There is a difference between playing on Live and running a city on Live. I have some senior characters on Live as well, and I'm sure you bring a mix of live/TC experience to your job. But sooner or later, the baton should be and, I hope, will be passed to someone who knows what it's like to boss a metropolis on a 25,000 player server where people name their houses in German and the devs don't stop by for tea and there are five guilds hating each other's guts and so on.
4. If (as I would agree) there are far more important issues than whether people like you or not, I suggest you raise that point with the creator of this thread!
Plinka wrote: And then I wrote:
I do every one of those seven things I listed.
Whether you do or don't does not seem to be most people's problem with you.
Just to touch on /citywarn and my arguments for a moment. Where do you think I got those responses from? Look at the timing of the early posts and the early responses and notice how close together they are. It's almost like I'd heard those responses myself. Hmmm... I told everyone up front that I'd be arguing the dev side. But when I did that made me the bad guy.
Your chosen method to do this was mockery, if you had instead said something to the effect of "Good point the dev would say this..." instead of the egotistical and mean spirited remarks people wouldnt be so offended.
About the chilestra thing: As soon as a thread starts turning negative and whiny I primarily ignore it. (this thread is the exception, not the rule) But that didn't stop me from reporting it directly to the devs via email. And if you look through the posts for that day you'll find that I DID respond to a separate thread started by Palor about the problem being reported.
Intent and action are 2 different things, your actions define you. In this case thats a double-edged sword.
What many of you seem to want is an ineffective diplomat to hold your hand. I'm not that person. I see a job, I do it. I don't pull punches, I tell it like I see it and I get the job done. I shoot straight. Don't expect diplomacy and don't expect me to hold anyone's hand. If your not being diplmomatic with us then your being our boss?Are you saying that your only going to present the issues that you feel are crtitcal and not ours? As for shooting straight you seem to be more shooting people down and avoiding this term known as "Tact".
About my not playing on Live. I've got nearly 600 hours of Live time in and I keep in touch with the issues. I even run a message board for one of the live PAs that was lucky enough to get a city in under the cap. Immpressive, amazing even, that is quite a feat for also doin the TC one.
A correspondent is a two way voice. I present your views to the devs and I present the devs views to you. Some of you clearly don't like that last part. This goes back to the "Tact" part, ego's are for those to weak to speak there wind without fear of argument, expect argument and feedback from us if you cant then maybe you should quit.
So, if you don't like me, feel free to continue using this thread to vent on. That's what it's for. Just realize I won't be responding to it. There are far more important issues than whether or not you like me. This would refer back to that "Ego" thing i just mentioned. Try to be a big person(you know what im suggesting). Not a big egotistical one,
Good Day.
Ditto
Plinka's last post should be the clincher for most everyone who has a reasonably mature and professional demeanor.
/SIGN
Plinka should go away and let someone who wants to SERVE the politicians do the correspondent job.