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Thread: Petition to remove Plinka from office.

palladiumleader
Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:22 am
#66

Number 2.


/sign




Imho Teppa
Former Mayor of Dark City
Former Member of the Council of Seven
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cosca
Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:04 pm
#67

sighn


remove city warn remove plinka


Amola Nomo New Alderaa mayor.




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Cooljoebob64
Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:07 pm
#68

/erase names off list



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Flintspark
Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:55 am
#69

Ok I am going to play Devil's Legal Advocate. Plinka has self-charged her person with the following offenses, eachaddressed in turn. Please turn to the left, now face forward, now to the right. Let the preliminary arraignment hearing begin, with the reading of the charges and commentary by legal counsel.


Plinka, SOE's selection for player correspondent for the politician profession, is being charged on the following counts.


1. She fails to provide us with timely information regarding our profession


No Proof for this claim, defendant is reliant on the information source providing details in a timely manner, and has shown no hesitation in relaying said information. Charge Dismissed on the grounds of lack of evidence.



2. She fails to represent our viewpoint to the developers


As a correpsondent the defendant does relay information gathered from the masses in the manner that fits the role and responsibilities. However, there is certainly a personal angle that is used to gather and present info, but any human brain will be forced to process info in that way. It becomes a question of degree, whether the defendant has instilled too much personal invective before passing along information, and this court is not able to make a ruling on such hair-splitting debates. Charge Dismissed due to inaplicability.



3. She fails to test the features of the profession and its accoutrements


The defendant does carry out duties on the Test Center, as clearly required by the role being played. Anyone who feels there is not sufficient time for testing could themselves assist in the investigative work on Test Center and expand the survey results before changes go to Live. Charge Dismissed as inacurate based on known information.



4. She fails to report the bugs of the profession


The defendant reports bugs in both directions, letting the Devs know what info has been gathered and relaying whatever bugs / fixes the Devs are advising the public about. Charge Dismissed as inacurate based on known information.



5. She fails to seek arguments that may be used to sway the developers


The defendant certainly seeks arguments, in fact she causes and sometimes inflames those arguments, but it is not reasonable to expect that the role of corespondent can effect any change in SOE policy or decisions. The corespondent can gather and forward information, which SOE can then consider or completely ignore as they so choose. The defendantisoftennot even informed what reaction or level of acceptance any given issue or response might generate. Charge Dismissed asinane based on the known job description for this post.



6. She fails to give up all of her time to babysit us when there is a problem in our galaxy


The tone and wording of this charge are insulting to the court and convey a grave disrepect towards those the corespondent is responsible to. This is a volunteer position, where the first volunteer appears to have become bitter and disillusioned about the role. The court recommends R&R for the defendant, or to seek therapy to heal the wounds and scars caused by the position of corespondent. It is the court's recommendation that another volunteer who is neither jaundiced towards the responsibilities nor callous towards those represented by selected as soon as possible. The court invokes SOE's stated intentionsto rotate persons in and out of these corespondent roles, to preserve the positive spirit required for this public role, while conserving the sensibilities of the volunteers who suffer from burnout, disillusionment and stress-related illnesses. Charge is Upheld, a medical review of the defendant's suitability will be conducted, with the stated hopes of preservingPlinka'shealth above any privelege or position.



7. She uses the term ASCII in a slanderous manner


The relevance of this charge conveysmockery to the court and grave disrepect towards those the corespondent is responsible to. Acting in an unprofessional manner could be mitigated on the grounds of abnormal stress levels enacting the corespondent role. Such reproachfull actions are indicative of the need to reduce the unhealthy measure of pressure to the correspondant, who may be unable to overcome the emotional challenges posed by the stated responsibilities of this volunteer role. Due to the large number of witness for this instance, this Charge is Upheld, and may be excused or pardoned if corrective measures are put in place to relieve the defendant of the unbearable weight of responsibility.



In Summation, the court finds no real basis for charges of derilicition or negligence in the role of Correspondent. However, there is clear indication that the burdent of responsibility is proving to be too much for the defendant. It is the court's recommendation that an effort be made to expand the support team assisting the current correspondent, or a replacement for the job be found as soon as possible to alleviate the health and stress risks for Plinka, in the hopes of promoting to the role someone better able to handle the challenge without emotional or overly dramatic posts that have prompted this inquiry in the first place.


Presuming the smooth transfer of responsibilties in a timely manner, the defendant's request to "remove Plinka from office" is granted. Good health to you, may you rest well.





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Dayln
Mon Dec 08, 2003 9:11 am
#70

/ will not sign


Can we start a petition to remove the whiners from the boards?

Neilla
Mon Dec 08, 2003 9:46 am
#71

Sorry, Plinka, you're doing a WONDERFUL job as correspondent. You can't get off the hook that easily!



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Laeren
Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:05 am
#72

Heya Plinka. I know you started this thread for many reasons, but I don't think any of them are meant to be insulting. There will always be whiners, bitchers, complainers and others whom either take your efforts the wrong way, or whom wish they could have your job to exert their own "authority", when we all know you really don't have all that much.


Keep up the good work. Keep the profession lively, thinking, and above all else, passionate. Passion fuels the soul and gives weight to arguments and propositions where drab clinicalism does not. You have a lot of passionate people here who feel very strongly about their profession and how effective it should be. Your profession is one of the luckiest around, in that it has no competition from any other profession whatsoever. Therefore, turning upon itself is probably to be expected. Just be sure that the core of this profession remains strong, passionate and eyed towards fun.


Good luck, and don't you dare quit





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BaalZamon
Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:33 am
#73






Plinka wrote:
We, the undersigned, do hearby express our wish to remove Plinka from the office of Politician Correspondent. We base this petition upon the following facts:

1. She fails to provide us with timely information regarding our profession
2. She fails to represent our viewpoint to the developers
3. She fails to test the features of the profession and its accoutrements
4. She fails to report the bugs of the profession
5. She fails to seek arguments that may be used to sway the developers
6. She fails to give up all of her time to babysit us when there is a problem in our galaxy
7. She uses the term ASCII in a slanderous manner

We feel that we have met the burden of proof required to petition for her removal from office to be replaced by a more hard working and attentitive representative. By signing this petition we are asking that this action be taken at the earliest possible time.

Thank you for your attention in this matter.
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I will /sign because I am never one to be touchy-feely and go with the crowd, but let me lay out why I feel that others should /sign as well.


1. What timely information do you have to give us now that the cities are live? If the developers can hand out mounts and vehicles like candy then they could surely give your replacement the tools to investigate new things added to TC but nothing like that is happening. Well, there was the 2 minute delay on /citywarn but the developers decided that wasn't going live.


2. Yeah, we should really know this one because we all have access to the double-super-duper-top-secret forums that the correspondents do. As a previous poster submitted, other correspondents do believe you do your job and that to replace you would be a detriment to us. Kinda one sided view there from a correspondent that could want to keep you from losing your position, so they don't lose their position or so my jaded mind thinks. Bottom line is that a new correspondent could bring new blood to the pool, and if given the chance do better than Plinka; I don't know that, Plinka doesn't know that, DiLune doesn't know that, the developers don't know that, nor does the person that takes up the reins know that.


3. What else is there for you to test about cities on the TC? No, serious question; I'd really like to know. You were simply amazing at providing us information before the cities could go live, but now the information has stopped because you are at a roadblock which inhibits the rest of us.


4. Actually, I'll agree with this one for the same reason as above. Since you are not a Mayor on the live servers, you never could've caught the shuttle fee bug which now leaves us all wondering what other bugs that you will never catch because of this.


5. I wouldn't say you don't do this, in fact you do; but your attitude while doing this was very poor and combative.


6. Wow. Just wow. You just threw the entire server population of Chilastra into the dirt with this. We had numerous cities, impacting numerous citizens going without an upgrade. What did we get from our correspondent? Silence. How was the issue resolved? CSRs and Ichiir knowing a contact at SOE. I know nobody here expects any correspondent to be on call 24/7, but a perusal of the boards you moderate could've shown you that a part of your constituency were in trouble and that you should've done something.


7. It was NOT your use of the term ASCII, and to imply that you did not lack professionalism when you told Skedoozy to get his head out of his ass is reprehensible. You were in the wrong, and did not like being called on the carpet for it. I'm sorry you did not like that, I'm sure I wouldn't have liked it but I wouldn't be able to argue against what was said if I acted so unprofessionally.



As others have said, if you don't want the position any more leave; don't continue to demean us with your current attitude.




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Karena-Kurri
Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:20 am
#74

Sign REMOVE HER!
Ansu
Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:10 pm
#75

/sign on the basis of the unprofessionalism shown of late, examplified by #6 in her original post on this thread, her attitude in collectingarguements that could be used to sway the devs (playing Devils Advocate does not give liscence to insult (directly or indirectly) who you will, in the end, be representing),and the incident she refers to in #7.



Ansu Sheroesh
JUGANOTH Criminal Syndicate - Chilastra
Shaedar
Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:01 pm
#76

I usually approve of your posts and your role as correspondant Plinka... but this thread is unworthy of you... i will not sign it... however more self-centered tripe like this and i would...


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Shaedar Haran <EC>
New Suntir, Lok, Sunrunner




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Leafthemedic
Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:08 pm
#77

BaalZamon wrote:


"4. Actually, I'll agree with this one for the same reason as above. Since you are not a Mayor on the live servers, you never could've caught the shuttle fee bug which now leaves us all wondering what other bugs that you will never catch because of this."



This bug was "caught" by Plinka in our city of New Hope on test center LONG before it hit live, it was reported by her and most of the test center regulars. The fact that it hit live was not from not finding it but the fact that is was not fixed by the dev's correctly.


You also wrote:


"3. What else is there for you to test about cities on the TC? No, serious question; I'd really like to know."


Well we are about to see tomorrow how the transfer of power goes when a new mayor is elected, we have already tested the effects of letting a city hall burn to the ground from lack of maintaince, we have see the effects of the patrol patterns of a faction base in a city (the troops stop moving when they hit a building). These are just a few examples of what we are testing and have recently tested on test center. If you have something you want tested let me know.


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jawlz
Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:10 pm
#78

/sign


I haven't posted much on the politician forums, even though I am the mayor of one of the larger cities on Naritus. Mostly because there wasn't really a need to. However, Plinka, of late, has been acting incredibly childish and unprofessional. As I understand it, correspondents are supposed to work WITH the profession to which they are a correspondent, not against it. Plinka's thread on keeping or removing /citywarn frankly was working against the profession. Our correspondend should NOT be pretending to be a dev (which she explicitly claimed to be doing, saying that she was responding as the dev's would have to our points). A correspondent should instead actually listen to what we have to say, discuss us with it, and attempt to find ways to both modify our views so that they are workable and present our views to the developers. What was happening in lieu of this was Plinka essentially shooting down ideas, not offering ways to improve them (I guess constructive criticism is only required of us low users, not the correspondents), and it was often the case that the manner in which she dismissed ideas (without any real discussion) was insulting and inflamatory.


Further, as someone working on a PhD in Political Theory, I can safely say that I know at least a little about why governments are created, how they work, how force works within them, and what they're about. Plinka, I'm sorry, but you made several statements within that thread about what the primary purpose of government is, what it means to use force, et cetera, as facts. Your statements are quite frankly innacruate. The purpose and intention of government is far from being completely understood, and we are even fartherfrom having one set defninition. The same holds true forwhat constitutes a just and unjust use of force.Presentingyour own theories or beliefs as facts is both dishonest to those who would not otherwise know better and insulting to those of us that do.


This very thread, in which you essentially dismiss the views of those who don't like the way you've been handling things, is unprofessional and childish. It is obvious that all is not well for at least a significant portion of those who participate in these forums and in the game. Why not ask for suggestions as to how you can improve, or further define what SOE has told you the purpose of a correspondent is (and how you're fulfilling that role)? Either of these would be more appropriate and professional ways of dealing with the problem than creating a thread where you can effectively dismiss those that do have actual problems. Most people posting here are reasonable people. I'd suggest that you start considering whatall of themhave to say, including those with whom you disagreee, if you want to make the most of your position as a correspondent. It's an easy enough task to accomplish - all that remains to be seen is if it is something that you do want to accomplish. I hope it is, but if not, I'll shed no tears at getting another correspondent. The choice is at least partly up to you, but it would be best if you actually solicit, in a non-abusive manner, our advice if you want to make the best choice.




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