Politician Archive
Thread: Retaliation if someone else runs for mayor
Pappi
Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:28 pm
#27
I've also forwarded this to a CSR, hope everything gets resolved.
Scoooter
Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:29 pm
#28
Taorah wrote:
Our mayor only logs on once a week to check if she has enough xp to train and then logs back off. So we decided it was time to vote in a new one. The mayor just realized last night that she is being voted out and has sent me an email threatening to destroy the city if the one runnning against her does not drop out. We have never had any type of tax and now she has put the max tax on everything. She has removed everyone from militia. It's too bad some people have to throw fits like this. She has removed everything from the city hall so she is either expecting to lose or planning on really destroying the city. Hopefully she doesn't, the running mayor only needs 3 more votes to win.
This happened to us.
The CSR's wont help
In fact when that mayor destroyed our city she paced factories where the old city hall was 
WE displaced the city 200m and started over
Sorry thats not much help
Kabooobie
Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:29 pm
#29
Is it griefing when a mayor says "do this or else" even if its agreed uponby the citizens for the mayor to do so before any of them even joined the city?
I would never take down the city without warning everyone about it. I just belive if you wanna take my toys away from us, you can start from the ground up like we did.
I think that anything that isn't a direct flaw in the code, or any threats thatstay within contextfor thegame isn't griefing. The game was made to promote both friendly and hostile interaction between players. Calling someone a stupid rebel or a Smelly imperial isnt griefing, makeing comments about sexually/race/etc is.
We all have diffent views on things.....but we all hate jackass's. Agree?
Kabooobie
Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:10 am
#30
So your saying, Kerico, that if a couple of 2-3 week old players that i invited to my city at my own expence (many credits/hours and my own REAL moneyfor the third account) were unhappy with the way i run the city, that they have a right to "try" and vote me out and take everythink that belongs to me? Of coarse they have the right to try, but what says i cant decide to take back "MY" shuttleport deed, "MY" cloing center deed, "MY" Bank deed, "MY" Garage deed andso on if "MY" city's citizens try to take them from me? I think its griefing when someone ruins my game experiance because they're not happy with the 500 credit shuttleport ticket or the fact that im too busy maybe running a guild, helping all of my new citizens, and running a city? Do you have to run 2 characters, a guild, help lvl up a bunch of newbs, create interesting inter-city events,and have time for yourself? I sure as heck dont think most people with jobs do. Ifsome newb novice polititian came along, took mayor, and changed something that he/she couldnt replace untill he/she recieve's a coule weeks worth of experianc would you be happy? That sounds like he/she is not just causing me grief, but all of our now 82 citizens would also be griefed by having to deal with an unexperianced mayor taking power. Just put yourself in one of my citizens shoes......would you rather have me, a usually polite mayor that logs in no less the 5 days a week and acually has the creds to pay for all the city perks or a person that doesn't even know how to use specials in combat? (Im not even worried about being voted out, i doubt someone like this could get 42 happy citizens to vote against me anyway, its just a slap in the face after all the nice things i've done) The person in question that threatend my city wont even belive me that the city costs 350k and rising, even though i've said repeatedly the they can check the city terminal for ALL relivant information.....but im getting a little off topic. The point is that if i decide to shut down the city, pack up my stuff,and move away, im not griefing....its my stuff....paid for by me. I would agree on anything like jacking up tax's way up or destroying something that someone else paid for as being griefing, but thats as far as i go.
Chibi-Bar
Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:25 am
#32
well.. this is just my perspective... but here goes
Spiredrock (was a city hehe)
I donate everything from 90% of the houses, city hall, cantina, shuttle the works... the founders (about 8-10 of us) donate credits and some resources to keep the city going.
now.. personally.. I would say I have donate 75% of the city... now if someone wants to kick me out and do a better job I have no problem with that.. now if I discover that a "rival" is trying to destroy our city.. that is a different story...
in your case.. she just need an attitude adjustment..... she is not doing her job and thus should be voted out.. I would have personally get as much and coordinate the "last minute" turn over.. that way she gets voted out in the last minutes hehe... it is a risk.. but it can be done.
that is my 2 credits
Fleura_MD
Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:39 am
#33
Kabooobie wrote:
The point is that if i decide to shut down the city, pack up my stuff,and move away, im not griefing....its my stuff....paid for by me. I would agree on anything like jacking up tax's way up or destroying something that someone else paid for as being griefing, but thats as far as i go.
No, you are correct. if you wanted to pack up your stuff that is not griefing. What is griefing ,in my situatiuon, is that she sent me a threating email telling me if I didn't drop out of the race she would destroy the city. Making the threat is the grief.
If she wanted to remove the city so I didn't have a place to campaign anymore that is her choice as Mayor. But current mayors can't threaten other players who are challenging them. Why even have the ability to have an election if that was not what the devs had planned?
It is not easy for a challenger to win. Exspecially in my case since I do not have any zoning rights. I can't add new citizens and have them vote for me. I had to convince all the current citizens to change their votes. I never once made any negative remarks about the current mayor. I only suggested ideas and if they aggreed with them they went in and voted.
SenDerlo
Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:45 am
#34
Plain and simple, as someone who lived through this, here goes:
The city is not "yours", I don't care how many deeds you bought or how much maintenance you paid!
The city belongs to the CITIZENS.
The second you place a city hall, garage, bank, cloning center, or shuttleport it becomes part of the city. The second you make a donation, it becomes part of the city.
The citizens have the right to vote when to do with it.
If you don't want to risk losing your "stuff", then don't start a city.
Nuff said!
The city is not "yours", I don't care how many deeds you bought or how much maintenance you paid!
The city belongs to the CITIZENS.
The second you place a city hall, garage, bank, cloning center, or shuttleport it becomes part of the city. The second you make a donation, it becomes part of the city.
The citizens have the right to vote when to do with it.
If you don't want to risk losing your "stuff", then don't start a city.
Nuff said!
Fleura_MD
Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:47 am
#35
SenDerlo wrote:
Plain and simple, as someone who lived through this, here goes:
The city is not "yours", I don't care how many deeds you bought or how much maintenance you paid!
The city belongs to the CITIZENS.
The second you place a city hall, garage, bank, cloning center, or shuttleport it becomes part of the city. The second you make a donation, it becomes part of the city.
The citizens have the right to vote when to do with it.
If you don't want to risk losing your "stuff", then don't start a city.
Nuff said!
/agree
Kabooobie
Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:49 am
#36
Who's hurting enough to come back on give me one star on all my posts?
Fneegan
Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:00 am
#37
I don't think, only because one wishes to begin a player city, has gone thru politician or builds the city and has been the major contributor towards the city -> OWNS THE CITY.
And yes, anyone who wants to run against a Mayor should have that right to run without any reprisal.
I figure, as long as a Mayor is doing a good job, recruiting, keeping the city alive and is liked, I don't see why one would run against him/her. And, even if they do, it doesn't mean they will get the votes of the majority to become the new mayor. If they do, then I'd be worried of the job that I am doing and why so many support the candiate.
As fora mayor that is being ousted out of office, it's totally up to them to do as they please and I don't believe that whatever they chose to do is considered grieving in any way. If they chose to destroy City Hall,the mission terminals, trainers, garage, cloneor Streetlamp - they can. I would consider it a real crappy thing to do but hey, that's part of being a mayor.
We all benefit when a mayor is good and we all suffer when not.
NumeroUno1
Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:53 am
#38
I am thinking of starting an assasination team. So, no more situations like this. My team will have 200 fp for reb and imp, and covert detectors. They join the opposite faction to the mayor, plop down a covert detector, and camp the hall. The mayor comes near.......... they kill them. Mayor can't delete city hall. And with the new server transfer.............. they are safe on NO server. And if they are neatral, well, i don't think you can walk through covert detectors.
Scoooter
Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:36 am
#39
Kabooobie wrote:
I've been over reacting a little i suppose. I guess i felt kinda "threatened" by the fact someone spoke agaisnt me. A stronger policy against threatening players would be nice, and people should report these situations more often. Given that this is a RPG that includes two factions locked in a bitter war i would expect i little bit of this, but people take it beyond simple fun and games sometimes.
and about Fleura's comment about the city belonging the the citizens, our city/guild is a stated dictatorship and our guild members must be loyal to thier leader or face being removed from the guild.We inform new citizens of this and they will either agree or disagree. If they disagree they cant join. As for people who do have to be kicked out of the guild, we dont threaten them, we inform them of the reason why they have been kicked out. Vendors and ex-guildies r welcome toreside in our city, as official friends of the dictator. If the ex-member choose's to take his/her free house and leave than he/she is put on ignore and city banned. Is this not within our powers as dictator? They did argee to be loyal didn't they?
And im not stupid, we obviously assumed the risk of losing everything when westarted the guild and city, the ability for them to take over everything is there.......As dictators we consider it more like mutany or treason, and we should be able to use our God(Dev) given powers in a "non-threatening" way to fight a take over like this. Its not like we can force people to leave the city and we wont go as far as to threaten anyone. We consider it part of the challenge of the guild/city to have to overcome problems in a way that please's the highest amount of people.
lol.....this is getting into a left wing/right wing, mayor/citizen political debate.....
Can you agree on any of this with me? Anyone run their city in a similar way? How about as insane dictators we see our power diminishing so we blow everything up (leaving everyonesstructures intact,execpt the guild hall and city structures, which as you remember everyone agreed belonged to us when they joined) before leaving the area to start a life. Is that not a "Non-threatening" RPG type senario?
You can justify all sorts of griefing in the name of role play, does that make it right. RP stops where peoples gaming experience gets harmed and griefing begins.
You are a dictatorship with a democratic processes embedded, and unfortunately the citizens can remove you.
I know, we had this happen. The CSR's would not do squat. It diminished the gaming experience of 70+ people because the mayor did not like the fact we wanted to remove her. I will not get into details because what is done is done. Our city is rebuilt.