Politician Archive
Thread: Tiggs Says Lack of SW Trainers In Player Cities Is Intentional...
Avallach
Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:35 am
#14
See my reply in the main thread, but the problem is less that the trainer can't be placed and more the attitude that it reveals towards player cities. We're not a priority, and the devs seem bent on giving people further reason *not* to live in a PC. I just don't see any other way to read this one.
Jaspor
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:23 am
#15
Wow. How disappointing.
Oh, and I've already lost two citizens who picked up their house in order to free up lots for the Yacht.
Suxx0rz.
PsychoticChipmunk
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:41 am
#16
Yeah I can't see any way to take this beyond a slap in the face to politicians. Why would they not allow us to drop the trainers for shipwright and engineer? I completely understand not getting the factional pilot trainers. Those are mission giving NPC's and are only in a handful of major cities. That doesn't bug me, hell it's probably for the best, but the crafting prof's...there is no reason for us not to have 'em.
After 3 hours, give or take, of playing Bloodfin has a few master SW's that are now operating out of their shop and vendors like anyone else. Does this mean we shouldn't be able to place an armorsmith trainer since there is no difference between the two professions? Well outside of 30 bucks and a trip to best buy.
Honestly, what is the reason for this? Let alone the apparently blatent disregard to pappi's e-mails asking for tiggs to say this prior to launch so we could get our voices heard on the matter and get some dialogue going.
Barb-Wire
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:47 am
#17
LeBob wrote:
I am complaining because there is no purpose. I am not taking up SW, but if we let the Devs do stupid things, they will only be encouraged to do more stupid thinkgs in the future.
this is the best reason for putting up a stink about anything even if it doesnt concern you perosnally. people that are allowed to do somehting on a tard level will continue to do so in other areas unless the general populace yells about it.
rexan
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:50 am
#18
Barb-Wire wrote:
LeBob wrote:
I am complaining because there is no purpose. I am not taking up SW, but if we let the Devs do stupid things, they will only be encouraged to do more stupid thinkgs in the future.
this is the best reason for putting up a stink about anything even if it doesnt concern you perosnally. people that are allowed to do somehting on a tard level will continue to do so in other areas unless the general populace yells about it.
You can't have shipwright trainers in player cities, just like you can't have pilot trainers in player cities. I really don't have a problem with this.
Slochini
Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:56 am
#19
The pilot thing I understand because you cant land at a player city so there really isa no point to having one there. SW yu can grind anywhere. I just pulled my crafting droid and stood in front of the trainer....lol. Only went home to get more resources. It was a pain since I live on Lok and there ISNT a trainer there.
Arrya
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:00 pm
#20
Sadly, this does not suprise me at all. Although it is quite rare for a Red Name to mention player cities at all in any context, it is very clear that they have been deliberately undermining the functionality of player cities for many, many months.
jason67
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:17 pm
#21
Darrius wrote:
jason67 wrote:
That's exactly my point, who cares thatYOU can't "effectively" grind from your home. There isn't a single combat profession that can grind from home, and yes I understand that the other crafting professions can be but come on now, there are at least a hundred different things that the devs could be spending time on that would be ten times more important than you being able to craft from the comfort of your home. Never once did they say "hey and guess what with this new shipwright profession you can grind out master from your very own home in a matter of mere hours". I don't see why you EXPECT this to be the case. Obviously shipwright was not made to be ground out or it wouldn't require you to have 6mill units of resources in order to do it and only an xp cap of 300k.
The part that really throws me if is why/where/when/how did you come to expect that you should be enabled/"entitled' to grind this profession out without ever having to leave your home. It just baffles me that you actually expect this kind of gameplay.
Never really considered having a new Trainer in my Player City as an Entitlement for being a Shipwright. I'm not "Grinding" Shipwright in the "classic grind-to-jedi" sense...prolly a poor choise of words on my part.
Still, what becomes the need for Player Cities then, if your citizens cannot enjoy conveniences. Most towns levy taxes from which their citizens expect certain services. Just like the real-world. How is Shipwright really that much different from Architect (once you can make Gungan Heads)? Both basically just suck up tons of resources, give back a fraction of XP/per unit, etc. As a Mayor I can recruit an Architect Trainer.
Oh, and actually, I have gained most of my Xp on my combat Alt within probably 1500m of my City. Pull missions in town or hunt the masses of wild spawns.
Not sure where I was gong with this...ended up on a tangent...dam ADHD anyway...
Recruiting Trainers is something that Politicians get to do...one of the very few pathetic things we can do for the crapload of Skill points we waste and the months it takes to gain XP. Is it too much to ask for something new? (aka SW Trainer in town) I think not. Everyone is entitled to disagree with me, of course. that's what I love about my country
The citizens still enjoy all of the same old benefits of being in a player city, yes even a shipwright(ie crafting bonuses). but why would a shipwright trainer be in a city with no starport, seems kinda silly to me **insert argument for player city starports here**. The major difference between shipwright and Architect and the grind is that shipwright actually produces products that are usable. Even poorly made chassis are still of value and actually not a whole lot different then ones made using high end resources.
I guess my main point is based on how the post was originallyworded(by your last statement this does not appear to be accurate) it seemed as though you expected and felt you deserved the "Right" to have a shipwright trainer sitting outside your front door. If you'd "like" that added that's great throw it on the wish list, but keep in mind it is a "WISH LIST" item and nothing more. There really isn't any major benefit in spending the time to make this addition.
Pappi
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:43 pm
#22
on a good note, I finally got an email back from Tiggs 
the funny thing being that she didn't tell me anything in it... "finding out info from your community instead of the devs" seems to be a trend nowadays 
the funny thing being that she didn't tell me anything in it... "finding out info from your community instead of the devs" seems to be a trend nowadays
Arrya
Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:00 pm
#23
Sadly, this does not suprise me at all. Although it is quite rare for a Red Name to mention player cities at all in any context, it is very clear that they have been deliberately undermining the functionality of player cities for many, many months.
Pappi
Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:11 pm
#24
Arrya wrote:Sadly, this does not suprise me at all. Although it is quite rare for a Red Name to mention player cities at all in any context, it is very clear that they have been deliberately undermining the functionality of player cities for many, many months.
well, can't say I haven't tried *shrug*
Avallach
Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:20 pm
#25
Pappi, have we said thank you lately? I'm not sure I would have the patience to do your job, and you volunteer for it. Thanks for putting up with us and the devs both. :-) I pop in and out of this forum as my frustration level allows, so while I'm not always around to say it, your work towards improving/fixing politicians and player cities is very much appreciated. :-)
Arrya
Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:38 pm
#26
Pappi wrote:
Arrya wrote:
Sadly, this does not suprise me at all. Although it is quite rare for a Red Name to mention player cities at all in any context, it is very clear that they have been deliberately undermining the functionality of player cities for many, many months.
well, can't say I haven't tried *shrug*
I don't doubt it for a second
There is only so much you can realistically do.