Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Scatter Pistol Why can't WE use it?
No steenky, Pistoleer is a pure profession, we studied nothing there but pistol's, you on the other hand studied scouting, rifle, pistol, carbine, tracking, ect. in order to reach your profession, your the hybrid, but obviously, your not smart enough to see that, your trying to go beyond the skills to reach your professions, because in the end, you still have enough skills points to train in novice pistoleer and a tree plus novice medic if I did my math correctly. /shrug
So are you saying that a tree in pistoleer and a couple of boxes in medic are the same as MASTERING medic in addition to MASTERING another profession? You must not have much respectfor medics. Like I said before if ALL YOUR SKILL POINTS went solely to pistoleer THEN you can claim to be pure. Since you, <INSERT CHARACTERS NAME HERE>, is made up of more than 90 some odd points you are roughly 1/3 pure. Hell the BULK of you isn't even a pistoleer! Snuffs (for example) is 217/250 bounty hunter. If you are so blind to that fact you are beyond logic and reasoning. I haven't been a bounty hunter since Friday so don't give me this "its just another bounty hunter complaining BS".
BTW I noticed you failed to respond to my numbered points which are a direct answer to your threads topic. You seem to zero right in on your real agenda which is to make pistoleers (the PURE pistoleers with no other professions) just as combat effective as bounty hunters. Your real topic should read:
"I want to be more effective with a pistol than a bounty hunter - while still being a master armorer or master nalgaron player"
Hes right we are a pure profession, we devote our lives to our pistol...yes we can shoose other professions also, and for BHs being a pure class...BHs are half assed morons that cant fight good but fight ok with most weapons....you stick a pistoleer with a rifle or carbine ( assuming he doesnt have these like me ) u get the hsit kicked outta me. Give me a pistol and ill drop you like a dress on prom night...Now BHs, you are sorta the, hey we were good with this and that...Pistoleers are hey i use a pistol and ill own you with it, Now for the stats i agree its bull**edit** BHs have more speed/accuracy, and they can come back with the defense and the moves we have which is partly true, defenses dont work but 1/1000...and the only move a pistoleer really needs is stoppin shot or pistol whip...all others are pretty much pointless, like the thread the correspondent brought up, but ok dude...you say we arent a pure class cause we can do others and BH is one because its the only advanced profession you can have...well then im sayin your pretty stupid, i can own an BH and for him to waste all those skill points lol...not very fun huh
has no one herd the term
JACK OF ALL TRADES MARSTER OF NONE
yes it is imho bh should be tougher than a pistoleer but not by useing pistols alone
i also think being a master of pistols one should have no restrictions on what pistols they can use
why do people misunderstand one another? too quick to disagree?
when someone said that it takes more exp toGET the scatter pistol, they arent saying that it takes more exp to master the BH class. It just takes more exp to get to the point where you can use it.
I will willing to bet that this topic is all based on envy and that pistoleers dont have such a 'cool' looking weapon. Damage and speed are comparable, whats all the rage about?
KaitlynAscas wrote:
why do people misunderstand one another? too quick to disagree?
when someone said that it takes more exp toGET the scatter pistol, they arent saying that it takes more exp to master the BH class. It just takes more exp to get to the point where you can use it.
I will willing to bet that this topic is all based on envy and that pistoleers dont have such a 'cool' looking weapon. Damage and speed are comparable, whats all the rage about?
Well said. It's an envy thing. The scatter pistol not only looks cool, but sounds cool as well. The shots look neat when bouncing around cave walls.
ENVY!!!! now fall into your hate and join the dark side of the force.
I want to wear Wookie Clothes, why cant i wear Wookie Clothes, its clothing right? I can wear clothes, so why cant I wear wookie clothes?
You know why Icant wear wookie clothes, hold your breath for this, so you wont miss it. Its a real shocker, hang, here it comes. I cant wear Wookie Clothes, cause....their for Wookies. I believe the same applies to the Scatter Pistol, if you want one, become a BH. Cause if *I* want to wear Wookie clothes, I must become a Wookie. Makes sense to me.
Bolanos wrote:
As for my math, your post made me think, and you know what, you are 100% right, My math and my logic is off. And it took a bounty hunter to show me that. So I redid my math and ONLY put in what Counts for Pistoleer's, EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH PISTOL'S (in other words, there is nothing else added in here, only what pertains to Pistol's, so nothing under general aiming or anything like that). Here is the results:
Pistoleer = Pistol accuracy 95, Pistol Speed74 (straight up the pistol line of marksmen and then MP) = 92 skill points and 4,662,620 points of experience.
Bounty Hunter = Pistol accuracy 110, Pistol Speed 80 (straight up pistol line of marksmen and all skills required under BH for pistol's) = 50 skill points and 1,332,240 points of experience.
So, like you pointed out, the Correct math and logic is that for 42 skill points LESS and 3.3 Million points of experience LESS, you can beBETTER andFASTER with a pistol? Now you tell me, where is your logic in that?
Bolanos, your reasoning is totally off again. To do this accurately you'd have to change a few things. For one its not possible to just count the pistol boxes and figure the exp cost and skill point cost to get the BH's final Pistol Accuracy and Speed. The numbers you listed where for a Master Pistoleer, or the Modsa Master BH has. If you want to go just the boxes that give mods to these skills then you'd ignore 2 lines of the Pistoleer tree. But the way you did it with Cost to obtain master Pistoleer should work out like this.
Pistoleer = Pistol accuracy 110-125, (standing - moving) Pistol Speed 74 = 92 skill points and 4,662,620 exp
Bounty Hunter = Pistol accuracy 110, Pistol Speed 75 = 217 skill points and 4,108,410 exp
Yes, thats right, to anyone that has a clue or cares to add up all the mods, a Pistoleer is more accurate then a bounty hunter and only 1 speed less. The difference in the two, BH uses 125 more skill points and needs about 546k less exp. Anyone in their right mind would take the exp over the loss of skill points especially if they knew how hard Bounty Exp was to get.
This leaves out a few things tho that should not be dismissed. The Pistoleer also gets a +15 to melee defense and a +7 to range. The Bounty Hunter gets +15 to range (from marksmen range weapon support) and 0 to melee. (this means pistol has better overall defense in their ideal field of use)
Comparing only Pistol in bothmakes these comparisons fairly obviously in the favor of the Pistoleer. Now if you wanted to take only Pistol skills and the boxes you gain them in and compare them instead, it would look like this.
Pistoleer = Pistol Accuracy 110-125, Pistol Speed 74 = 1,856,000 Exp, 64 points used.
Bounty Hunter = Pistol Accuracy 110, Pistol Speed 75 = 1,291,000 Exp, 50 points used.
Pistoleer also gets their +15 to Melee defense and +7 to range defense as well, Bounty hunter would have +2 to range defense only. This is not including the bonus to aiming Pistoleers get either. The results here are a little more balanced. The Pistoleer being more accurate but having 1 less speed. 1 speed however does not change your actual speed in combat, its not enough to move it 0.1. So in reality, the Pistoleer is more Accurate, has the same speed, and more defense but at the cost of more experience (565k difference) and more skill points (14 point difference)
So the question becomes, is the advantage the Pistoleer gains here, more defense and 15 more accuracy while moving, worth the cost? Depends on who you ask I suppose. But either way, just wanted to clear up your reasoning and show you where you made a small mistake.
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Pistoleer = Pistol accuracy 110-125, (standing - moving) Pistol Speed 74 = 92 skill points and 4,662,620 exp
Bounty Hunter = Pistol accuracy 110, Pistol Speed 75 = 217 skill points and 4,108,410 exp [/quote]
Once again, you are counting EVERYTHING to become a Master Bounty Hunter. If you bothered to read my post I told youthat we only care about the pistol aspect, not rifle, not carbine, not tracking, PISTOL. GET THAT THRUE YOUR HEAD'S. Damnit. The entireMP line pertains to pistol, so it all has to be counted. BH only has one line of 4 boxes with this, plus the 5 boxes they get from marksmen. The number's I posted are correct for this.
Second, I do remember reading a post somewhere that Accuracy and Accuracy while moving are two different things, so my accuracy is not 110-125 total, please try again.
[quote] This leaves out a few things tho that should not be dismissed. The Pistoleer also gets a +15 to melee defense and a +7 to range. The Bounty Hunter gets +15 to range (from marksmen range weapon support) and 0 to melee. (this means pistol has better overall defense in their ideal field of use) [/quote]
Once again, we're talking about pistol, but if you must, and since you are compairing FULL skill's, master to master, BH do get defense, they get it from their marksmen line, try again.
It comes down to this, The only reason ALL of you post for being better then us with a pistol is this:
[quote] Anyone in their right mind would take the exp over the loss of skill points especially if they knew how hard Bounty Exp was to get. [/quote]
Well, we're not talking about BOUNTY HUNTER EXPERIENCE on this forum now are we, this is the PISTOLEER forum and we're talking about PISTOL EXPERIENCE AND SKILLS. So please take that lame excuse to your boards so the dev's can fix it so we can stop hearing about it. Read the post and try to understand it before you start shooting crap around. Make me understand WHY a bounty hunter should be BETTER then a PISTOLEER with a PISTOL! Explain it to me, and explain how they can be better at it with less skill's and experience invested! Also explain how a Master of Pistol's is unable to use a pistol? that one is just mind numbing. (yea yea, I know, it's bounty hunter only, but it's a pistol right? I'm a master of pistol's right? so...why can't I use it?)
Scatter Pistol - Why can't WE use it?
That's the thread. Answer: You can use it
Potential follow up question: "we should be able to use it as well or better than a bounty hunter?"
Answer: NO! its a bounty hunter ONLY weapon
Potential follow up question: "thats BS! were the masters of pistols! we should be able to use it better than a bounty hunter!!"
Answer: NO! If that were the case a heavy swordsman SHOULD be able to use a lightsabre as well or better than a Jedi. A Riflemen SHOULD be able to use a bowcaster as well or better than a wookie.
Someone earlier hit the nail on the head with this thread, its purely about envy and NOTHING ELSE.
Bolanos, if you where paying attention you'd notice I drew attention to the fact that the way you did it Included EVERYTHING, to become a master pistoleer. Your numbers however ONLY included things found in 2 branches of the Pistoleer tree so you can't compare the whole tree fairly with just One line of the BH tree. Not to mention you included Master of Both and in order to get to those numbers you listed you'd need all the skill points/exp listed. This is why I included a second comparison that is actually comparing what you claimed to want to compare. The second comparison only included the pistol lines that directly effect the things you listed, accuracy and speed. If you read more carefully I think you'll find that what I wrote is completely accurate.
And btw, Accuracy and Accuracy while moving are not sepperate things. You have a base accuracy, when you move your base accuracy is reduced, but you have a bonus given while moving. So yes in one way its different but it still adds up to 125 accuracy bonus while you are moving,- the penalty. And either way it doesn't make any difference because you are still 15 points more accurate then a Bounty Hunter while moving and have the same accuracy as a Bounty Hunter while standing. Its simple math to figure that out, but for some reason most pistoleers want to just ignore those two bonuses and only discuss the base. If it was possible to switch accuracy mods with a Pistoleer I'm sure any Bounty Hunter with a little intelligence would be happy to.
So please, stop with your lame excuses why you think this isn't fair or accurate and if you want to talk, make a point and back it up.
As for why can't you use the Scatter Pistol its very simple, has been said repeatedly and even a kid could figure it out. The Scatter Pistol is a pistol of special design made for and to suite the Bounty Hunter. Its not a standard issue gun that a Master Pistoleer would have access too normally. If they found one they could still use it but the odd design of it would be foreign to them and they wouldn't be as proficient with it. Even a real Master Gunfighter so to speak in real life is better with some guns then others, and if they found a gun that had been modified ina way not familiar to them they wouldn't be able to use it as well. This logic that just because it your title says Master Pistoleer means you should instantly be able to pick up and use any handgun you find has got to be one of the most silly things I've ever heard.
Theres no logic behind it.. being a Master Pistoleer only means you've mastered every aspect of the use of Pistols, from the stances used, the dodging of gunfire, the use of your gun as a close range weapon to the ability to shrug off attacks while using your gun that would normally leave others confused or stunned. It doesn't mean or say anywhere that just because it looks like a gun, you should instantly be able to know everything about the weapon. Thats just not realistic. If you don't understand this then I'm sorry, not much else we can tell you or smaller words we could use.
"Hell the BULK of you isn't even a pistoleer! Snuffs (for example) is 217/250 bounty hunter."
No, you're not. You're as much a BH as a Pistoleer is a Pistoleer, 1 novice box, 4 skill trees and a master box. The rest of you is a scout and marksman, deal with it.