Pistoleer Archive

I agree, they should be able to use a lightsaber, it's 2hsword right? But like Bynder said, they'll probably hurt themselve more often then the enemy, Lightsaber's aren't quiet like swords, they are not as forgiving, you don't get a cut, you lose that limb. Will he be able to deflect laser blast's? I think that will be your second question, No, blaster deflection is obviously a force skill, the lightsaber is just the tool for that force skill.

I don't think so, the thread posters argument was that because a scatter is a pistol and gives pistol exp it should be used by a pistoleer which is a master of pistols. If a two handed swordsman is a master of two handed swords (like our pistoleer is with pistols) he should be able to cert for lightsabres which are a 2 handed sword.

That having been said I AGREE with you that EVEN THO is says "2 handed sword" its REALLY a Jedi only weapon. So where is the basis for complaint about scatter guns (Bounty hunter only pistol). Lets do it this way:

Scatter gun is to bounty hunter, as lightsabre is to Jedi (sorry 2 handed swordsman Jedi only)

lets do some more!

Bowcaster is to Wookie, as scatter gun is to bounty hunter (sorry riflemen, wookie only)

See SAT prep!

Launcher pistol is to commando, as scatter gun is to bounty hunter (sorry pistoleer, commando only)

ummm, if the lightsaber is for jedi only, then please tell me why babafet had one? Oh, that's right, BH are God's and the master's of the universe. I forgot, sorry.

Oh, and let's not forget that solo actually managed to turn one on and cut that animal down the belly to stick luke inside, so it looks like you don't need force power's to operate a lightsaber, just knowledge of the location of the on off switch. And an easy explanation, not saying this is the reason why, but a logical explanation for the wookie bow caster might be because the distance from the handle to the trigger is to long for any other race to use because wookies have large hands? it is designed to fit perfectly into their paws, not ours, I know my finger's are short, unless your michael jordan, I don't see you using a bowcaster unless you want to use both hands.

You're right Solo did find the on off switch. You ever have a scatter pistol? Can you fire it at all or did it just say "you are unable to use this weapon". Maybe do like 10 damage? That sounds alot like a scatter pistol or ANY other weapon you dont have the cert to use. You can't have it both ways. You either:

A) can "use" the scatter but only do minimal damage (ie han only using lightsabre to cut open a taun taun)

B) can use the scatter as proficiently as a BH (ie han deflecting bolts and tearing shiz up with a lightsabre.

this sounds a lot like the Musician board. Most master musicians are wondering why they have to master entertainment to get the only stringed instrument and the ceremonial song. They think as master musicians they should be able to play all songs and all instruments.

i look at it this way a bh with a fwg5 with thier special attacks can take a master pistoleer so why do you need more weapons it, pistoleers should have the best pistol in the game and rifleman should have the best rifle in the game and carbineers should have the best carbine in the game why do you think you should, i personally dont think bh should get any weapons past mastermarksman, its not your profession, a bh shouldnt compare theirselves to a commando either commandos should be the badest people in the game, a team of 4-5 commandos should be able to take out a 10 -15 of every other profession, back to the scatter pistol a person that MASTERS a weapon should be able to use all weapons under the profession he mastered and all this talk about nerfing bhs carbine kd should be nerfed with the rest of the kd in the gamemaybe even a little more since you can do it from like 64 meters away, another thing bh will you please not comment in this forum about this subject unless your atleast a novice pistoleer

back to the scatter pistol a person that MASTERS a weapon should be able to use all weapons under the profession he mastered

I thought I addressed this. If you're gonna post the same argument on page 3 that was said on page 1 without addressing the points in between DONT POST. You just start the same stupid loop all over again.

1) you CAN use a scatter gun, just not nearly as effectively as a BH (its a BH only weapon)

Since it is clear what you mean to say is "a person that MASTERS a weapon should be able to use all weapons under the profession he mastered as well or better than anyone else":

2) a lightsabre is a 2h sword, so because a heavy swordsman is a MASTER at 2h swords you are effectively arguing that he should be able to use it as well or better than anyone else (ie: jedis since its a JEDI ONLY weapon)

3) a bowcaster is a rifle, so because a rifleman is a MASTER at rifles you are effectively arguing that he should be able to use it as well or better than anyone else (ie: wookies since it is a WOOKIE ONLY weapon)

4) a launcher pistol is a pistol, ....you see the pattern yet?

I havent read all of the other pages after the first page. I just wanted to say Balanos your math is terrible, unless you prefer me to say your logic is terrible (cant compare a master pistoleer to a novice BH and say you arent being treated fairly. Do master to master or novice to novice).

To get your cert for DX2 (which will get much better once materials are better) you need 216,000xp and you spend 40 points. That would be for novice. If you prefer going with the master way youneed 4,571,620xp and you spend only 97 points.

For someone to get novice BH you need to get 473,790xp to get novice (over double of what a pistoleer needs) and that includes things like survival xp and combat xp not just pistol xp. You spend 165 points just to get novice BH. For master BH one would need 4,108,410 about 400k less than a master pistoleer but granted again thats all pistol xp for them except for one tree of combat xp which is easily covered under our our weapons skills. 34,000 of that xp is bounty hunter xp. You only get about 60 for novice missions and 150 on the investigation 3 missions. Now not including the fact that these missions are bugged you will find that each mission takes maybe 1hr atleast on average (that may be generous). Now lets say that you make on avg 100 BH xp a mission (also a little generous in your favor like before)...that would make it 340 hours atleast to do that one tree. That means over 2 weeks playing non stop and doing bounty missions non stop. Throw in a bugged LLC and basically your effort doesnt compare. I can get master pistoleer in a week of grinding. You can easily make 100k xp an hour with warning shot on Lok killing Snorbal or on Dath killing Baz nitch.

This post isnt really relavent to the actual thread i just find it terribly annoying when people say because they need more xp regardless of how little time it takes. If pistoleers think they deserve to have a scatter pistol then a master marksman should have certs for all ranged weapons... T21s, elite carbines, Dx2s, heavy rifles, launcher pistols, etc. I dont see how people cant understand this kind of logic. You can't use it because its not meant for you.

Posting this again because my last post was long and its boring to read those. This was the only part relevant to the thread anyway: If pistoleers think they deserve to have a scatter pistol then a master marksman should have certs for all ranged weapons... T21s, elite carbines, Dx2s, heavy rifles, launcher pistols, etc. They are described as masters of ranged combat. They have devoted all of their time to being a master of ALL ranged weapons. I dont see how people cant understand this kind of logic. You can't use it because its not meant for you.

Maybe I have been going about this wrong with comparisons. Let me compare it to another online game, since EQ is so famous I'm sure most of you know it or are familiar with it. You have Pure class's, monk, warrior, druid, ect. then you have muts, the hybrids, Ranger's for instance. A Ranger is a jack of trades, he's part warrior, not being as great as the warrior, and part druid but not being as great as the druid, but he brings his own unique skill into the game, archery. Bounty Hunter's are a hybrid if you ask me, because your not a pure class like Pistoleer,Carboneer,Rifleman(Warrior for instance, can only do one thing, use his/her specific skill/weapon). Bounty Hunter is like a Ranger, he has a bit of each of the parent class, (in this case, rifle, carbine, pistol PLUS Traps, like snare traps, root traps, damage trap, traps to make mobs more vulnerable to melee and ranged attacks[known in EQ as AC debubs], like a ranger has spells from druids, and melee like a warrior). But, a Ranger is not better in these skills then his/her parent class, they are only better in what they bring into the game, archery (other's say tracking /shrug).

I love this. PISTOLEERS ARE THE HYBRIDS. If they make it so the ONLY PROFESSION YOU CAN MASTER is pistoleer than you have an argument. Since the ONLY class in the game that if mastered you can master NOTHING ELSE, the ONLY class that is a pure class is the BOUNTY HUNTER. Why is this so hard to understand. A master pistoleer is NOT a pure class. If you can master 2 other classes than NONE OF THEM are pure.

One more thing, if we listen to this idoit and implement his wishes I'd better see the following for consistancy:

1) Lightsabres (2h sword) have to be master 2 hand swordsman usable. I mean, they ARE masters of ALL two handed swords right?

2) Bowcasters have to be master Riflemen usable. The master riflemen is the master of ALL rifles. Why should some wookie CH get to use a rifle that a rifleman can? IMBALENCE!

3) The LLC should be commando use only (heavy weapon) and the Launcher pistol Pistoleer only.

4) No more pistol whip. I mean for a pistoleer to have a melee knockdown? Theyre the masters of a firearm not melee. A pistoleer more powerful than a TKA with a melee attack? Sorry imbalence.

5) No more disarm shot 2. An AOE knockdown at 64m with a pistol? In what alternate universe? A carbineer doesn't even get something that powerful. NERF

Theres no picking and choosing which ones you like and which you don't. If you take this @ssinine threads logic to its conclusion than you agree with ALL of the above. If you don't, you're just looking to improve your own class without ANY regards to "balence" or whatever you BS spin you put on your own agenda.

This whole game is easy, not just one profession. some professions require a little more time than others. i got 3 different characters and all of them mstered scout in a couple days, mastering marksman took about the3 daysbecause i was killin and switchin weapons. After that it seems the bounty hunters got the easy way after that, dont say im talking w/no experience sht head, do you know me, nah, so go F@#@ yourself.

I played both, cant say i mastered bounty hunter, but im also not a front runner like, uhhh, whats that ass's name, oh well, i cant commit crap to memory, But theyre all easy so everyone kiss my Arse, hehe

No steenky, Pistoleer is a pure profession, we studied nothing there but pistol's, you on the other hand studied scouting, rifle, pistol, carbine, tracking, ect. in order to reach your profession, your the hybrid, but obviously, your not smart enough to see that, your trying to go beyond the skills to reach your professions, because in the end, you still have enough skills points to train in novice pistoleer and a tree plus novice medic if I did my math correctly. /shrug