Pistoleer Archive

A dancer telling me that pistoleer should be weaker then a BH? Ok. The number I posted are right. IF you read my post, I said Count EVERYTHING that pertain's to Pistol's. Everything in the MP tree pertain's to pistol's, Sorry, but I have no choice there. When it comes to BH, not everything they have pertain's to pistols, so you can't count those other things. Does this make sence to you know? Even a kid can understand that.

And for your RL Comparison, I'm not an expert shooter, but I do shoot alot, about 4 times a week. Your right, modified weapons, and even non modified weapons are different. Give me one clip for each, and I'll hit the center after about 4 shots, because I can adapt to that weapon, how it kicks, the recoil, the aim, the drop in distance, all that you catch on quick if you know what your doing and pay attention, so that RL senario sucks in this case, or perhaps you never gone to the range and are just guessing?

If I'm standing still, my accuracy is not 125(?I haven't done the math yet on that, sorry), Perhaps the way it works is when I start moving the bonus kicks in, but it probably gives me my base aim from the start after the penalty of movement, which is still 95 (counting pistol skill boxes only), not a Total increase overall while standing still or in the prone which is the most accurate possition.

Once again on your comment, the entire tree of MP pertain's to Pistol's, all the way up. Not Bounty Hunter, so Don't add scouting exp, don't add rifle exp, don't add carbine exp, don't add investigation exp, or any of that other crap, we're talking pistol's here!

1. you can use it

2. It eats up a lot of skill points (not XP, not time, who cares about those really) to access it

3. It's a class specific weapon. A "bounty hunter" weapon, part of the "theme" of the class.It's like a sawed off shotgun (likepistol, but not), dirty, probably illegal (not really), but effective. Bounty hunters cannot use DX2s, why not? They use EXACTLY the same # of pistols as a master pistoleer (all but DX2/launcher...master pistoleer uses all but scatter/launcher), yet they can't learn just 2 more? Sure you can, but you have to purchase it.

4. With 49 points left over, anyonecan use EVERY "one handed ranged firearm"class weapon in the game. (see #1 above, you can use it)

Pistoleers focus on learning the specific pistols they have access to. They become masters of those pistols, not an inifite # of pistols. They do not train to become masters with "other" 1-handed ranged weapons. They CAN, they just have to go to school longer....

A hand-held rocket launcher? Doesn't sound like a master pistol quick-draw artist type weapon. Sawed off shotgun? Not really either. You CAN choose to master these as well, or you canput those points to some other use.

The #1 reason I think it's moot is because most have not yet PvP'd enough at mastery to compare, and everything is 1-2 shot kill + knockdown right now in PvP. Everyone is overpowered right now, and a ton of skills/items aren't working. We bicker about BH vs pistoleer yet commandos are about as effective as a marksman...at over twice the point cost. Let's see what shakes out of the test center, and what PvP is like once we are armored, properly armed, and have gotten some experience under our belts.

Very true Jaegen and very well put.

And Bol, I said the accuracy while standing is 110, not 125. Its 125 minus the reduction for moving, while you are moving.. so actual accuracy is like 75, but still 15 points higher then a BH is the point. And I'm not argueing that Pistoleers should be weaker, in fact the way I see it right now, their stronger if you just look at those points. I think a lot of your problems and concerns will go away once the DX2's are working right. Once that happens then I doubt you'll feel like your second rate to a BH when it comes to pistols.

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Boldgrim wrote:

That is exactly my point! Why is the scatter pistol a BH weapon and not a pistoleer one. You don't understand what I'm saying, you're stuck trying to explain that I cannot use it because it's a BH weapon. I know that, you just keep repeating the same thing. I know everyone can use everything even if not certified. C'mon... Sheesh!

Anyway I guess no one can answer the question beside a dev.

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Boldgrim, are you really **edit**ing stupid or do you just want something for nothing like all the other **edit**ing pistoleers that whine about bounty hunters.

"YOU" can use the scatter pistol. It's very simple. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SPEND 160 of your 250 SKILL POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right about now, you are scratching your head and wondering "But why should I spend 160 points to be a NOVICE BOUNTY HUNTER when it only takes 158 skill points to become a MASTER PISTOLEER??"

Do you expect to get a **edit**ing steak when you pay for a goddamn hamburger? Do you expect to get a Porsche when you pay for a Neon?

Judging by your posts, you probably do.

Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I'm sick of **edit**ing pistoleers wanting to master the profession for less points than it takes a bounty hunter to become a novice, and be better at combat besides.

If you want a bounty hunters skills, become a bounty hunter. Nothing is stopping you. Any race/gender/player can become a bounty hunter in this game. It is NOT limited in any way. It is NOT like a force sensitive slot that you have to unlock.

Quit whining and be glad you can still kick a bounty hunters ass and you spent almost half as many points mastering your profession.

Pistoleer is a master of pistols. Yes. Why are we comparing it to cars? I don't know, I don't see the comparison.....Who's the master of cars? I'm going to try a different explanation.

I'm an ex police officer. We have detectives, guys who put in years and years of their life to gain experience to be detectives. They are the master of investigations. They're police officers who've come through the ranks of police to get that knowledge and skill, who can make arrests, investigate, give out tickets, doa wide range of things. That's the bounty hunter. Skilled in many things.

Then, FBI/SID/CSI criminilists come along. They're masters in investigations. They specialized in that one area of policework. They're still police officers, but (usually) they can't arrest or don't, they don't give out tickets, etc etc. That's the pistoleer. They can do almost more things with investigations then then the detective can, but they aren't detectives.

How do these relate? Some things related to investigations, criminilists can't do. They're the masters of it, but they can't do it.For exaple, criminalists go to detectives to get warrants.Why can't a criminalist do it? 'Cause they aren't always as great with knowing the laws, mostly analyzing data. They often can't tell if certain circumstances are exceptions to laws, but detectives can. Detectives also prepare the cases for court. (At least, out here that's how it works.)

So, while a criminalist is a master of investigations and in many ways may know more about it then a detective, the detective is proffecient in almost all the tools the criminalist is, and has higher proffeciency in some of the most important ones.

Besides, I look at it this way. Pistoleer sounds like someone who can hit a penny in a 50kt cross-wind at 100 yards. Scatter pistol doesn't really sound like the most accurate weapon. It sounds like a shot-gun pistol. Why would anyone who's supposed to be the most accurate use it? Doesn't make sense. A BH on the other hand, MAY want to take down an entire group at once without being worried about who else he its. Let's face it, carbines aren't the most accurate in the world, and I would assume in the star wars universe with BH and smugglers running around, they'd probably be the only people to use a shotgun. A pistoleer can kill 5 bad guys in 3 seconds with his expert marksmanship and leave the hostages standing. A BH would smoke bad guy and hostage alike to collect his cash.

Anyways, I hope that makes sense. i only read page one of the 9 or whatever there were, so if someone managed to get it explained, forget I said anything. I didn't feel like reading the other 8.

wow Jagen88, You have a slew of newfound respect from me. That was well written and done nice.

Though I'd like to add. I was going through the pistoleer line and found that You guys get all kinds of cool bonus' that BH don't get. from different defences to Accuracy while standing/running as well as protection vs knockdown/dizzy...

We BH don't get bonus like that. But I ain't comlaining.

Well, if you can't get the logic behindwhy a master pistoleer can't use a scatter pistol, here's RL example:

I own a pistol IRL. I like to take it out and shoot it at the range every once in awhile. I've become better with practice and I can hit a taget pretty well with it. In fact, I can do pretty well with most pistols that I can comfortably hold; the basics are the same.

I bought some shot shells a while back, for snakes. If you don't know what those are, they're basically like shotgun shells that you can fire from a handgun. The last time I was at the range I fired afew just to see what they were like.

Well, it's a whole different ballgame. The gun fires completely differently with those odd loads, and the ballistics are so far apart it's like using a completely different weapon. The thousands of standard pistol rounds that I had fired in no way prepared me for handling the shotshells effectively .

Yes, I know these things are designed to be shot at something a few feet away and any idiot can use them, just bear with me. Consider an experienced cop with years of pistol training being given shotshells to use instead of normal rounds. He would have to radically alter his tactics and handling of the weapon to effectively stop an armed attacker. No matter how much experience he had with standard rounds, if he had to suddenly use shotshells instead during a gunfight he'd probably lose.

My point is that mastering a particular type of weapon allows you to effectively use similar weapons, but if the weapon/ammo is of a sufficiently radical design then your experience with the standard version may not apply, and you'd have to undergo special training to handle the new weapon.

Wow. Baccamallarzo and Humanity, those are the clearest examples I've heard yet relating to this issue. Its nice to finally see some sense after the first few dozens of pages relating to the whole pistoleer/bounty hunter envy.

BTW: master pistoleer in 7 days, start to finish. Has to be one of the easiest combat professions in the game with the richest rewards. Now on to TKA...

Don't BH already have their own unique pistol in the light lightning canon?

No they don't. LLC are classified as heavy weapons, which according to this thread should be commando only.

Uh, Starlight01, learn what you're talking about before you post. The light lightning cannon has as much in common with a pistol as a bazookahas with a pop-tart.

And another thing Starlight01, I find it very disturbing that you are whining about how the LLC is helping to overpower BHs in PvP.

I find it very disturbing indeed that people who are whining about BHs being overpowered and calling for nerfs know so little about that which they spew.