Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why do pistoleers compare themselves to BHs?
Thing is guys, we really don't hate BH's. I would love to know that one of you was coming after me and I had to be extra careful. It's the Dev's fault for not giving us that. The only thing we want is mastery of our weapon. That shouldn't make us able to beat a BH in every fight, but in a stand-up duel you Bet!
I mentioned this in another thread, and since you brought up the Old West I'll repeat it. The gunslingers of that time (Billy the Kid, Jesse James, Wyatt Earp, Wild Bill Hickok) were UNMATCHED in duels. Bounty Hunters were the guys that came up slowly when they weren't expecting it and popped them with their pants down, literally sometimes. Wild Bill wasn't killed in a gunfight, he was shot down while playing poker. Doc Holliday was killed in a massive gunfight, not in a duel (He was most likely BH with Pistol Marksmanship). Plain and simply, even in the Old West BH's did NOT duel!! Because that's not what they do, that's what gunslingers did.
Look, I'm a tanker. I drive,fire and commandM2 tanks. On the battlefield, I 'own'. I'm also pretty good with a rifle, carbine and pistol. But if I jump out of my tank and try and trade shots with a sniper, I'm dead. Why? Because he's a MASTER with that weapon. If he wants to jump in a tank and take me on, he'll be one very foolish and very dead sniper. Why? Because I'm a MASTER with that weapon. And no matter how good he is with that rifle, it took me much longer (i.e. skill points) to become good with a tank. Because tanks are more complex, the tactics are much more complicated. I'm not denigrating snipers, btw, they are masters at what they do. I don't expect that I should be better with a rifle than him just because tanks can do much more damage. We're both specialists in different areas.
Basically, stop ignoring all the perks that come with being a BH. As a pistoleer I will never be as good at rifles as you, or carbines, or scouting, or tracking etc... By the same token, you should never be as good with a pistol as me. I'm not asking to be able to run up hills as fast as you (a usefull scout skill), or to be able to make camps as good as you, or to be able to trap creatures as good as you. I only want to be better with my one chosen weapon, the pistol.
Thanks for reading (if you did) and take care.
Well Kaeg, I agree with you. Pistoleers should be better with pistols than BH's. Carbineers should be better with Carbines.
But in 1on1 pvp combat BH's should have an edge through the mix of skills they have obtained.
Btw, with time, I don't mean XP points in total. I mean the real time needed to achieve master pistoleer or master BH.
One last thing Gonzologer 
You said -
"Yes, and Han and Chewie also freed the princess from a heavily gaurded imperial ship. They also helped destroy the deathstar twice!!!! They met a jedi and had wild and crazy adventures..... your point being..."
and then said -
"Anywho, thought i should clarify the meaning of bh in the star wars universe."
Now, if you keep insisting that we should follow the movies for what the game should be like, why do you dismiss out of hand what Han and Chewie did, but slavishly insist we must follow what Boba and Jango did? Contradicting yourself inside of one post, heh. Just thought I'd let you know, since it totally destroys your argument.
Oh, and if we must follow what is in the movies, then only Smugglers/Pistoleers, Wookie Pistoleers/Pilots and Novice Jedi/Pilots should ever win any combat in this game
I can't believe you guys are talking to him, he's obviously not going to understand any sort of logic, just give it up.
I mean if you go to a school for the disabled, how many times are you gonna try to teach them rocket sceince before it dawns on you they can't learn it?
Gonzologer said:
"To say that this game should follow logic and science is ridiculous."
My response: This certainly sheds some light on the "logic" you've used in previous posts. Let's just throw all logic out the window along with science(dripping with logic)!! So, now everything is completely illogical in this game. Forwards is backwards, backwards is forwards. Oh, I know, let's just make logic random!! Sure, that's just great! Using a rifle BH kicks the crap out of master Rifleman, using a pistol kicks the crap outta master pistoleer, using his pet monkey kicks the crap out of Master CH, using his spectacular Investigation tree he kicks the crap outta Commandos. Why should we use logic??
*hits Gonzologer with a frying pan*
I don't disagree with you that it's not 'based' on science. I'm disagreeing with the idea that science can be completely tossed out the window (well, with teleporting mobs, maybe it can be ). That's really not the point of all of this, but you have to accept that some scientific fact from the real world must be included. Simple things such as "he who draws first, shoots first", or "he who is more accurate, is more likely to hit the target". If they can't get those things right, then there's no baseline to compare anything to.
And no, my concept of a Bounty Hunter is not off at all. Do some research, they are not combat gawds. They are masters of hunting and tracking. And they are 'proficient' with most weapons, not masters of them. That is what makes them so good at what they do, hunt, track and capture their prey. They do not duel, that is not their forte.
Anyway, that's all I have to say about it. If you take some time and think about it, maybe you'll see what I'm saying. If not, there's nothing else I can think of to explain it to you. At this point it's nothing but circular arguments. We agree with you that there are times a BH should win, hands down. We don't agree with you that a BH should ALWAYS win, hands down. We disagree on the concept of a 'Master' of something and someone who is 'proficient' at something. Without agreement on those, there is no way we can come to understanding
BTW, be very afraid of nerfs to any class. Currently, Pistoleers are considered the best. If we get nerfed, then the highest potential for EVERY combat class is permanently lowered. If the next highest gets nerfed, then we all suffer again. All nerfing accomplishes is to bring us all to the lowest common denominator. At this rate we'll all be on a par with Commando's soon. Pray instead that the Dev's consider fixing and buffing the classes that are currently sub-par.
Good night 
Let's get to work on this guys. lol
Bender,
Lets understand this:
In a work of fiction you have the universe and then you have leads, some times these can mean things that are not literal. Anyway, Han was a lead. Buba can be looked at as an antagonist or part of the universe. Some times the abilities of these leads are quite fantastic. Some say this has something to do with how we tend to identify with the unbeatable, or to a much deeper problem our wish to be unbeatable. Kinda like u pistoleers.
Either way the mechanics of the game should be based on the universe. In this universe bh are trained killers. Why would they send them to kill people if they couldn't do it? And I doubt most of those bh with armor could rely on stealth to do the job.
Thoughts?
Sorry, Sixstride
forgot to add "always" to that statement
so it should read:
To say that this game should alwaysfollow logic and science is ridiculous
"And I doubt most of those bh with armor could rely on stealth to do the job."
pssst, got a secret to share with you Boba Fett already knew where Han was when the Star Destroyers were going to hyperdrive after the Asteroid bit. He coulda blasted the Falcon right then and there, crippled it and let the Empire board it, right? Instead what did he do? He was STEALTHY and followed them to Bespin. Care to guess why? maybe it's cause Bounty Hunters track and capture their targets? Not needlesly get into gunfights where they might get killed? A Bounty Hunter should only strike in a situation where he has complete control, not when he is at risk. That's how a Bh gets to be a legend, like Boba Fett.
Sorry, I know I'm being a little silly about it, but I've been up far too late tonight and it's time for work, so I think I deserve a little silliness right now. My apologies if it came off as condescending, I really didn't mean to :0
Steps to having a constructive, understanding discussion:
Step 1: Do not throw in stereotypical/offensive/condecending comments into your posts. If you are truly interested in what someone else has to say you would not say things like: "Kinda like u pistoleers." If you meant it in a negative way or not... it comes across as such and will get a discussion no where.
Finally, no one here is really interested in what anyone else has to say, I've noticed. They just want to state their opinion despite the fact it has been said dozens of times already by others. So there really isn't a point is there?
bringing up the point of master pistoleer vs master bh is beating a dead horse. as of now as people have already stated the bh has a higher speed accuracy bonus than a master pistoleer.
it seems that the crying and whining bh's are winning the bitch fest and will get us nerfed. all the pistoleers that have the kd skill sell it it will be useless in little time. i cant understand why all the bh's want to be a unbeatable class and they come on here and bitch because maybe a pistoleer got his kd in before him and they lost a pvp battle.
i am going to go and sell my fwg5 and buy a sewing kit. next im selling all my pistol skills back and investing in underwater basket weaving.lets see the bh's bitch about my underwater weaving next.he weaves too fast i cant go in the water and kill him thats unfair.
Gonzo,
As a pistoleer I spend 63 skill points in pistol related skills as a bounty hunter you spend 21 pistol related skills. I spend 2.6 million more xp in pistol then a bounty hunter does yetI should lose because he he has the title bounty hunter. This argument is silly, if you were named hunter or something you would not be up in arms about this. The movies only show 3 bounty hunters in action. Two of them where considered the best in the galaxy... the galaxy. So everyone wants to be just like one of them.
It should be any bounty hunter (using a pistol)who goes head to head with a master Pistoleer should lose.
It should be any bounty hunter (using a carbine)who goes head to head with a masterCarbineer should lose.
It should be any bounty hunter (using a LLC)who goes head to head with a masterCommando should lose.
You want it to be...
Bounty hunter against any other combatprofession head to head wins or is equal even ifusing that professions specialized weapon against them.
Effectively you are better combat class then any of the specialized combat classes and you have all the perks for master scout, specialized weapons, and droids to help track people ( I think this will become so much more important as time goes on). They need to change the title to "God Mode".
Once weapons are fixed you can waste any pistoleer you get the jump on. So you stalk the prey and from a good distance use the carbine that will either kd or change posture. Now as a pistoleer I can not get in close enought to do any real damage because if you use skill and keep me ranged, I will continue to miss or seldom hit (again keep in mind the weapons are fixed). Against a carbineer you would move in close and begin combat immediately with torsoshot/eyeshot and stay up on them so they are now at an ineffective range for the weapon. A commando, well when they get things working right, I think you will have one hell of a hard time. Devasting weapons at ranged and close quaters that no one else has access too.