Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why do pistoleers compare themselves to BHs?
"Some say this has something to do with how we tend to identify with the unbeatable, or to a much deeper problem our wish to be unbeatable. Kinda like u pistoleers."
Ya, we really wish to be unbeatable... Did I just wake up in a different dimension? Wishing for competitive is hardly the same as unbeatable. I'm not gonna rehash all the old gripes(Mind dmg, knockdown, Mind dmg, Mind dmg) but I will say that we want to be somewhat improved with regards to PVP in this area. As posted before in other threads I like the idea of rebuilding the BH skill tree to take advantage of the scout side(traps, etc). I know the devs can make things a little more interesting and diverse than straight gun warfare!
Bounty Hunters: If you're a bounty hunter and can read this(and you're a troll) this includes you. Why do you keep trolling here in OUR forum? Ya, free country and all. Instead of trying to argue with us about who's better and why we either need to be nerfed or why we should thank GOD we are so awesome, why don't you go to the BH forum and make constructive posts on how to better your own class? I'm sure not gonna do it! Why? It's not my profession and I only have so much time to read these **edit** boards... If our board is so awesome that you've just gotta read it, take some of our ideas, rework them and post on your own board. I don't see half the BH/Pistoleer posts over in your forum...that's because we have half the trolls you do! Gawd, wading through these stupid BH/Pistoleer posts on the Pistoleer forum is getting under my skin.
Is it possible that pistoleers post BH/Pistoleer scenario examples because we have the hardest time and worst kill rate in PVP against BH?? Ya. Could it possibly be because BH is the only other class using a pistol?? Ya. Is it possible that we'd like to improve our odds of putting up a good fight?? Ya. Is it possible(oh, just maybe) that our comments weren't meant to piss Bounty Hunters off?? Ya. These areOUR boards and we'd actually like to use them to discuss the issues/ideas/gripes/triumphs!! If we really wanted to piss Bounty Hunters off what would we do?? We'd go post our issues/ideas/gripes/triumphs on the BH forum!! So why flame us here when there's probably plenty over there to flame??
Oh god, is bender making assumpitons again.
Dude, buba didn't engage then because he wanted the reward, and attacking at that time would give the empire the location. And, thus a chance to lose his bounty.
But yes, your right in this case he did opt for a sneakier solution because it was a special case; the marks were to be taken alive.
But, I like how you selectively extracted some of the tactics depicted in the movies. Seems to me though, that buba nor his father seemed too concerned about flying into combat against jedi.
While we're on the subject, why did they decide to use a bh to base the ultimate infantryman on? If I were them, i would simply pick up the nearest pistoleer, carbineer, rifleman....etc.
no?
"In those books and movies the people likened to bh were very imposing characters"
-Oh yeah, Greedo was just terrifying, Han Solo appeared to be just paralyzed by fear when he game him a low-blow and killed his sorry green arse.
"A combat-relatedprofession that requires the most skill pts to learn should be one of, if not the, fierces characters in the game"
-Bounty-hunters are NOT pure combat classes. You could easily say a marksmen/pistoleer/entertainer is as much a 'combat-related profession' as a bounty-hunter.
"I don't think the devs even know what they're going to do with bh"
-I think they have a few things off, such as the bounty missions and having to learn rifle, but the majority of the stuff they have for BH is pretty appropriate.
"They should put that on a shirt. Good stuff. Not bad for a tenth-grade education, but dude, don't start believing that. Its so sad to see people lose touch with reality"
-LOL Gonzo, first of all, I'm a Junior in college, but five years off isn't too bad. Secondly you are completly off-base with your views of the bounty hunter class. You believe that you know everything there is to know about the Star Wars universe and that you should be the established expert on the subject. In fact this is not the case, you are a little powerhungry bounty-hunter that can't handle the fact that he didn't pick a pure-combat class and now he can't kill everything with little or no effort. Grow up.
"Anyway, The fact is this argument should not be happening"
-You are right, if little newbie bountyhunters who can't handle the game and are too immature, childish, and quite frankly cry-babies would go post in their own forums then this conversation would not be happening. But of course people like YOU Gonzo have to come over here and be a pain in the arse. Oh, and the censor system is very predictable. It works through a very simple black-list system, which means if you had any brains you would be able to figure out what it will censor and what it will not. But I guess that might be expecting a lot from someone who has shown such mental prowess as yourself.
"But that will not affect my love for Xetal. No, my friends, that is eternal and unconditional."
-I love you like Brutus loved Julius Ceaser Gonzo, and nothing will ever change that.
"Dude, greedo wasn't even a professional bh"
-Watch episode 4 again. Greedo is on a bounty to bring Han in... It seems to me that the defineing attribute of a bounty hunter is just that. Oh, and no one cares that you read some Star Wars book that never made it to movie, there are 6 important references for Star Wars that make an argument of something based on the Star Wars galexy complete, and that is episode 1-6. Nothing else matters, so quit crying about how you read some stupid book about bounty hunters and how you know everything. Greedo was a bounty hunter, and that means not all bounty hunters are Jengo or Bobo fett. Deal with it.
"But my argument was "time" and as I can see you have nothing to say against that"
Cu7-I just filled my first two bounty hunter and my first two pistoleer boxes this week. the combat-related portion of pistoleer (all of it) is way more time consuming than the combat-related portion (everything but investigation) of BH. Also, forging I really didn't spend any extra time doing as I just took missions to kill critters instead of people and harvested their hides, so that didn't take any extra time. Camping took I'd guess 20ish hours of gameplay to do, which is a good amount of time, and trapping took me like 6 hours of gameplay... so pistoleer is much more time consuming than bounty hunter as far as getting combat abilities.
"We spend even more time training how to kill people .. this does not onlyinclude weapon training, it also includes terrain knowledge etc"
-Agreed, and notice you move faster over rough terrain. I completly agree btw that bounty-hunters should have a line of traps in their LLC line (name it bounty tools line instead or something) that has traps similar to the scout ones... except designed to work on humans instead of monsters.
"Anywho, thought i should clarify the meaning of bh in the star wars universe"
-We all saw the movies, we all know what the bounty hunters are in the movies. We don't need you to try to 'decide' what you wish the bounty hunters were, and why they should own everyone.
"But, im not going to be able to spoon feed you for the rest of your lives."
-But you said you loved me!
"But in 1on1 pvp combat BH's should have an edge through the mix of skills they have obtained."
-It depends cu7,what secondary professions the pistoleer has. But in all honesty bounty-hunters should get, and have to effectivly use traps to win 1 on 1 against any pure combat class. If you will notice in the movies, everytime a bounty-hunter goes after someone with combat experiance they have a very hard time getting any results.
"I mean if you go to a school for the disabled, how many times are you gonna try to teach them rocket sceince before it dawns on you they can't learn it?"
-Exactly Degage, but we all know the devs read this forum, so it is good to correct any false impressions or fale posting that take place so that they don't make changes based on a buch of people who obviously don't havea solid footing in reality.
"So to say that because you have filled in more pistol boxes you should be better at pistols makes just as much sense as the commanders' decisions in that movie. Get it?"
-Obviously YOU don't get it Gonzo. If you have more pistol boxes filled then you SHOULD be better at pistol. Period. End of topic. Otherwise I could say: "I'm an image designer, and I should be better than pistoleers even though they have more pistol boxes full than me" False logic resides in your arguments yet again Gonzo.
"Your perception of a bh is a little off the wall. So these guys are just crippled ninjas? Our only competitive asset is surprise? Sorry, don't buy it."
-hahaha, I knew it! Gonzo thinks that Bounty-Hunters should be Ninjas! I knew it was just a matter of time until the truth came out. Seriously though, surprise is a good asset, but so is +50 to carbine and pistol speed/accuracy... and lowblow, and torsoshot, and eyeshot.... you have competitive assets, you just aren't the elite end-all of classes. Really I cry for you.
"or to a much deeper problem our wish to be unbeatable"
-Look at the title of your post Gonzo. YOU wish to be unbeatable, and that is the problem.
"In this universe bh are trained killers"
-As are pistoleers, carbineers, riflemen, TKAs, Pikemen, Fencers, and Swordsmen.
"with the skills you desireof pistol uber and whatever else you chose to train in, you're unbeatable"
-Completly un-true Gonzo. Ever had a BH switch between a CDEF Carbine and a Scatter Pistol on you? Knockdown, Eye shot, eye shot, eye shot, eye shot, eye shot, knockdown, stim-b, eye shot, eye shot, eye shot, eye shot, knockdown, stim-b, eye shot, eye shot, eye shot, eye shot, eye shot. Get the picture? Sure sounds like pistoleers are unbeatable all right! LoL, such BS.
"But, I like how you selectively extracted some of the tactics depicted in the movies. Seems to me though, that buba nor his father seemed too concerned about flying into combat against jedi"
-I seem to remember Jengo running the fark away with his son when he was to be called back to the jedi's for questioning. I also remember both Jengo and Bobo Fett dieing in combat.
"While we're on the subject, why did they decide to use a bh to base the ultimate infantryman on?"
-Bounty Hunter is a PROFESSION. not an inborn trait. You train to become a bounty hunter, you are not born with it. Also you will notice that they picked him because he was so tough and fierce, and then train the clones to be pistoleers, riflemen, and carbraneers instead of training them to be bounty hunters.
Gonzo... you just don't understand. Face it, you are not going to have a big advantage over pure combat classes. That's the way the game works, if you want to be a bounty-hunter then that is fine with me, I honestly don't care. But you have to understand that a bounty-hunter is not a super-soldier, and he is not an invicible force to be reckoned with.
Finally, I will share with you my reasons for offering this dicussion. Its not like I trolled a thread. I submitted my ideas on my own thread, and you responded. and so on.....You could of let it go, but that is not in your nature as I've come to find out.
I was doing a bh mission last night and i ran into the untargetable bug, a bug i didnt see untill the "fix." This was my first try after taking a break from the missions because of this precise problem. I snaped, quite frankly.First it was not being able to make money doing inv 2 missions, and now we can't do them at all. All this because of a "fix" on bh. The reason for this fix supposedly was to balance the pvp, and the reason they had to do that was because of gripes from other professions.
Honestly, I wouldn't know about the pistoleer vs. bh delima, if there is such a thing. The only pvp combat i've been in was against other bh and a guy with two atats. This may sound stupid to you, but I don't enjoy griefing people and i usually don't fight unless i'm provoked. So obviously I will come up against super-uber players that want to kill weaker players. I guess its fun? But, i digress.
Yeah, i was angry, and i'm not ashamed of it. I wanted to be a bh to track people down and kill em. For me, this a tad more fun than going after beasts or getting a definate location on a human target. More challenging I guess. Your supposed to make more money too, but that's a diferent story. Again i digress.
Anyway after identifying that it was other players that started this catastrophe, I wanted to vent, and so I searched for the people most likely to have whined to the devs. And as it turns out you people, the pistol uber folks, had the anti-bh theme throughout ur forum. This is no lie thishappens time and time again in ur forum. Some of you actually list the bh as one of your top three concerns FOR YOUR PROFESSION. I should have been tiped off by the invasion of pistol people on the bh forums, but i just thought they were freaks.
So, i decided to become a freak, and post on your forum as your kind has on mine. And, yes i discussed some of your issues without a clue what it takes to be a pistoleer. Pistoleers have been on my boards doing the same thing, and though i didn't gripe about being owned, i did gripe about the idea that a PISTOLEER should even think he's aeven matchfor a bh solely based on his pistol training.
Listen, I don't mind a good challenge; the nerf made killing marks nearly impossible, but i could do it with the help of non-ch pets and probots. But, not being able to have a chance to be a bhis more than i can take.
You people want to talk balance? As i see it, your profession is the most overpowered profession of all, and i can't believe you want more. Yes lets make them equal to bh even though they can have a second combat profession or wield super pets. Oh, while we're at it why not make them some cool moves and blah blah blah. Yes, why should bh be able to use apistol unique to their profession. Out of your freaking minds!!!
If there is any profession going to get nerfed it is yours, and i hope to god your not too dense to understand that. Usually, I would feel sorry for you, but seeing the kind of people here, i can't.
Gonzo, Refusing to read my post is not a good way of saying it's pointless. In your own words you havn't read it and you dismiss it as garbage? Why does this lack of logic not surprise me.
"Its not like I trolled a thread"
yes you did Gonzo. Look at the title of the thread you made.
"You could of let it go, but that is not in your nature as I've come to find out"
When someone cries that their class should be better than everyone else's class and comes and posts it about the class I play (which I believe should be fair and balanced), then I respond to it. You could have easily posted on the BH forums about this, but you posted it here, and you are surprised that you get flamed?
"First it was not being able to make money doing inv 2 missions, and now we can't do them at all"
-I think if you made a poll on the pistoleer forum that 9 out of every 10 pistoleers would agree with you that the BH investigation line does not work as intended. Marks are too hard and pay too little.
"Honestly, I wouldn't know about the pistoleer vs. bh delima"
-Let me catch you up on speed, BH used to rule all, now their PvP prowess is brought into line with all the elite combat professions and they are pissed off because a lot of them rolled a BH just to be a 'l33t Pk3r'
"I wanted to be a bh to track people down and kill em"
-That is their job, but when they come up against a combat elite profession then it should be a good fight, not an automatic win... especially if the elite combat profession they come against has 200+ of their skill-points put into combat related skills.
"discussed some of your issues without a clue what it takes to be a pistoleer"
-We noticed.
"gripe about the idea that a PISTOLEER should even think he's aeven matchfor a bh solely based on his pistol training"
-If you see PvP fights against a master pistoleer not using any skills but his pistol skills and a BH, then you will notice the pistoleer will spend most of his time in the dirt... mostBH who complain about pistoleers do so becasue they got killed by a pistoleer/CH, or pistoleer/Doctor... and the only reason that it matters AT ALL that the person was a pistoleer is because they chose pistol because with pistol you don't have to worry about 3x melee damage, and you don't suck up a ton of HAM like carbines... so it means that if you are a pistoleer/CH then your creatures can do the majority of the damage while you plink away at them for extra damage. There are pistoleer/Bounty Pistol 4 users... but without a pet or good stims they have serious weaknesses.
"the nerf made killing marks nearly impossible"
-I'm a novice BH, Novice Pistoleer, so I post on both boards, and trust me, I know they farked up with the bounty missions, but that has very little to do with pistoleers and their balance with BH.
"your profession is the most overpowered profession of all"
-You post this, yet you admit you have no knowlege of pistoleers... it seems kind of silly. The only reason pistols are 'so good' right now (and they aren't really any better than carbines) is that Rifles take 3x melee damage, and the HAM setup on carbines is way off so you can't use many specials. Take those two facts togeather and you will find there is only one choice left... when they fix HAM on carbines then you will notice a closer to 50/50 split between pistoleers and carbineers... and if they make it so you don't take 3x damage when holding a rifle you will notice more riflemen as well.
"If there is any profession going to get nerfed it is yours"
-Chances are we'll loose disarmshot2, but CH, Combat Medic, and Doctor are all pitching to the nerf bat much faster than we are.
Listen, Xetal, take a breath. What i was doing here is not going to effect you being unubered. Relax, your still gona be dominant in this virtual universe. I was only venting, and I was using techniques used by some people that post here often to do it. Frankly, I know this discussion will not have any impact on changes in a class; that was not the point. The point was to unerve the freaks that come to my professions boards to gloat about the nerf, or to convince myself i did so. Really, this has been a welcome distraction from the frustrations of being in a broken profession.
I'm sure the dev team will take what's best for the game into consideration when they do fixes, and I doubt this thread or any other will influence any decission.
Bye, this is my last post, but i will check to see what the last word freak says. 
But as a parting gift xetal, I've managed to find a point in your earlier post, and i would like to leave you with this rebutal:
Didn't this game draw from some content introduced in the star wars literature? If so, wouldn't it be relatively save to draw from this same source to help aid in the understanding of a character or class in the star wars universe?
Btw, please use this out of context, and don't bother to use elipses to show that these psuedo quotes are unfinished ideas. I like your style of writing as is; no changes please!!!!!
Ok, last post i swear.
Please change the word save to safe, for the record.
it should read:
Didn't this game draw from some content introduced in the star wars literature? If so, wouldn't it be relatively safe to draw from this same source to help aid in the understanding of a character or class in the star wars universe?
bye bye then
have fun and remember your not just pistoleers, your super-di-uberish pistoleers
Gonzo wrote: " The reason for this fix supposedly was to balance the pvp, and the reason they had to do that was because of gripes from other professions."
I love some of you BH's. Just the right mixture of unchecked arrogance, hunger for unbridled power, the ability to beat a dead horse to death over and over again, and now delusions of persecution.
In other news, Creature Handlers blame Chefs for the Gurreck nerf. And TKAs still want to know why BH's think the knockdown HAM nerf was aimed at them when it affects TKAs a lot more.
Lots more nerfs will be coming in the next few months. I will be looking forward to you trying to pin all the ones that affect many professions, including Pistoleers, on us. It doesn't make any sense, but we've come to expect that from your posts.
OMG, you guys have too much time on your hands. When we get pistoleers in our forums no one flames like this. Anywho, some of you morons have points, but most of you dont. I'll do my post in chunks to make it easier for you first graders to cut and paste. How's that?
The movies and books should be the basis for this game and its development of characters. In those books and movies the people likened to bh were very imposing characters.
what the hell else would you base a fictional universe on? Science? I tell you right now if they did that no one would be using pistols. If they based this games combate system on any military science the pistoleerwould be one weak profession. Ever since the british in the middle ages the most effective combatants are the ones with the most range. So, we would have a game full of snipers. YAY. (if you actually argue about this you're sader than i thought)
Any objections to that statement?
A combat-relatedprofession that requires the most skill pts to learn should be one of, if not the, fierces characters in the game. (Wowy, hard to comprehend. You may wana read that twice, mista)
Objections?
the above is the bulk of my argument.
To comment on the bh skill tree at the moment would be a mistake;I don't think the devs even know what they're going to do with bh. Commence the blahs, and please assume i've read your long-winded posts. Because, I love to read your posts; you're growing up so fast....
Ok, now im gona go set up a character on a server. This one is an aspiring ranger/sniper. Dudes, have you heard what they're doing to ranger? Gona be cool.