Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why do pistoleers compare themselves to BHs?
In the Trilogy of Han Solo, Han killed 12 BH alone (with the help of Chewie) before they send Bobba Fett to capture him. In general, all the EU says that the more common BH are Greedo-style, not Jango-style.
---Frigs Dowain---
Scylla
The main thing is that I believe pistoleers want to be better with pistols than Bounty Hunters, nothing else.
Break it down, you mastered Marksman and Scout, I truly do congratulate you, no sarcasm at all, not an easy thing to do. The scout tree is completely tied to your Investigation branch, it doesn't make too much sense, it makes some sense, but not too much, you learn the flow of the land and how to survive, hunt and trap in order to hunt down your Mark in a blaze of glory and kill him with brutal efficiency using your skills that you got the basis for in Marksman.
I don't know the exact numbers, so bear with me, but we have spent 4 times the amount wielding the pistol than a bounty hunter. A master Pistoleer should be better at wielding a Pistol than a Master Bounty Hunter, as should a master Carbineer. I would include Riflemen but the Light Lightning Cannon doesnt seem too Rifle-ish.
The differance between a Pistoleer and a Bounty Hunter is much like comparing a General Practitioner to a Nose and Throat Specialist. You will get a general idea on what is wrong with your nasal infection from a General Practitioner, but they will send you to a Nose and Throat specialist for you to get a much more clear and precise diagnosis, and it is because the Nose and Throat specialist has spent much more time studying these areas of the body.
Gonzologer: This is not a personal attack at all, but do you truly believe that a Bounty Hunter should kill a Pistoleer in any fight? And this "flava-of-the-month" is the Bounty Hunter, look around you and see how many there are.
Why do they compare to BH's ?
They would like to be more powerful with much less effort.
I still find it strange that Bounty Hunters feel that they are only a combat profession. Why did you become a BH? To be able to hunt people down for money. Oh, you didnt? You became a BH to be the best combat class? Well why dont you try a pistoleer or a carabineer or a rifleman.....these guys spend their lives training with specific weapons to become masters of them.
Last time i checked I, as a pistoleer, couldnt take a BH mission to hunt down a mark....yes its broken right now...but it will be fixed.
Also the BHs using the skillpoint argument.....if you think that is a valid argument....how many boxes do you specialise in pistol? 4 Boxes. How many does a pistoleer use to better his pistol skill? 18 Boxes. Even if you counted all the combat trees for a BH thats still only 12. So you expect to be the better than a pistoleer yet you havent spent half as much time training with a pistol?
There are too many BHs who forget about the hunting and tracking a BH is supposed to do and there are too many BHs who think they are some sort of combat god. However this really does boil down to the fact that the Devs havent properly designed/balanced the professions.
"I still find it strange that Bounty Hunters feel that they are only a combat profession. Why did you become a BH? To be able to hunt people down for money. Oh, you didnt? You became a BH to be the best combat class? Well why dont you try a pistoleer or a carabineer or a rifleman.....these guys spend their lives training with specific weapons to become masters of them. "
hmmm... correct ..BH's are supposed to hunt people down. Now how should this work if all combat classes (Pistoleers, Carbineers, etc.) are supposed to be stronger concerning your statement?
Btw... the skillpoint argument sucks. Agreed. Its absolute BS.
But my argument was "time" and as I can see you have nothing to say against that.
"Well why dont you try a pistoleer or a carabineer or a rifleman.....these guys spend their lives training with specific weapons to become masters of them. "
We spend even more time training how to kill people .. this does not onlyinclude weapon training, it also includes terrain knowledge etc.
Cu7 wrote:
But my argument was "time" and as I can see you have nothing to say against that.
"Well why dont you try a pistoleer or a carabineer or a rifleman.....these guys spend their lives training with specific weapons to become masters of them. "
We spend even more time training how to kill people .. this does not onlyinclude weapon training, it also includes terrain knowledge etc.
And how would spending more time training how to kill peoplethroughterrain knowledge andspliting weapon training time between three different weapon types,make you better at using a pistol than a pistoleer or better at using a carbine than a carbineer - both of whom spend equal if not more (depends on how you view "time" in regards to training, ie. exp point req.-wise pistoleer and carbineer spend more exp on their respective weapon skills/abilities/boxes) time practicing and training with that one, single weapon type?
Pistoleers are not asking to be able to kill BH anytime or anything like that. All we want is to turely be the masters of our weapon, even if that mastery is only slightly above any other profession that uses the same weapon and get some uniqueness added to show we have truely masterd those weapons. Again, no one here is asking for a BH nerf, just a pistoleer increase in certain areas, or pistoleer tweaking to let us make a mark as truely being masters in the use of pistols.
Spekao
Yes, and Han and Chewie also freed the princess from a heavily gaurded imperial ship. They also helped destroy the deathstar twice!!!! They met a jedi and had wild and crazy adventures..... your point being...
Btw, skill pts = time in a sinse
Anywho, thought i should clarify the meaning of bh in the star wars universe. I saw peoplecomparingit to modern day bh, but i think bh in today's sense hastoo much of a policeman conotation. No, it would be more like an old-western bh. Dead or Alive, and the sort.You see many examplesof this in the films:
Jango tried to assassinate Amidala
DarthVader specificlly warns the bh not to kill the marks. Why would he do that?
A real-life exampleof this if you want to nit-pick would be Doc Holiday.Though not depicted in the films doc actually hunted chinamen. He worked with lawenforcement, but all he did was kill.And, he was pretty handy with a six-shooter if i remember corectly.
Btw, to clarify, i did not say bh should own every situation, did i? I don't think so. I believe i said they should own the very thing they were designed for: taking out one target and getting paid. Proceed. But, im not going to be able to spoon feed you for the rest of your lives.
A couple points:
Cu7:
Where do you get the idea that Bounty Hunters spend even more time training how to kill people? Look at your skills, you spend nearly as much time training how to hunt and track as you do weapons, because that's what BH's do. Yet at every turn every BH seems to ignore the simple fact that half of your profession is devoted to tracking, not killing. A Master Pistoleer trains 23 Skill boxes to master pistols. You train 11 boxes to surpass his mastery. And you get all the other things that go along with being a BH! Guess what, a Pistoleer cannot use a scatter pistol unless he also trains as a BH. He cannot use a Lightning Rifle. Or take Bounty Missions. Or use Tracking Droids etc.. etc..
Yes, we have many skill points left over to use on things you can't. Butnot enoughto do the things you can.It's not Pistoleers fault that the Dev's have neglected to add much content forBH's.It's not our fault either they devised a system that makes pistols the best weapon. If rifles were the best weapon I would still expect to be better than anybody else with a pistol (as a pistoleer), even if it sucked.
You mention that BH's are supposed to hunt ppl down and how can they if the elite classes are better than them. This is the Dev's fault! As I've said in another thread, BH's should have a 'Stealth' ability that allows them to sneak up on targets.
Gonzologer:
First off, you should know (if you don't already) that each and every Star Wars book is considered NON-CANON! Referencing the books as material to base things on is a bad idea. George Lucas has made it clear time and time again that while he may approve the books, nothing that is not in the movies is considered an actual part of Star Wars. They're fun to read but they add up to zero as far as the actual Star Wars universe is concerned, at least until Lucas puts it in a film (i.e. double-bladed lightsaber).
You scoff at the idea of basing a fictional universe on science. Another fallacy. Fantasy/Sci-fi universes must have a firm grounding in all BASIC science to be enjoyable. Unless the point of the story is a world without gravity, you have to accept that gravity works in all sci-fi. To say that only long-range combatants are the most effective is quite wrong.
Let me clue you in, as someone who has been a soldier for 15 years, the most effective combatant is the one who is prepared for the particular situation. Rifles, Carbines, Pistols, Demolitions - they all have maximum effectiveness at different times. That is why a Bounty Hunter should beat a Pistoleer, because he uses the right weapon at a time of his choosing. NOT because he is better with pistols. Once again, this is the DEV's fault for not making BH what it should be. But a BH should lose in a duel with a Pistoleer. He should lose on a battlefield to Carbineers. And he should lose in a sniping contest to a Rifleman. What he should be able to do, is to sneak up behind me while I'm checking my harvesters (cause he tracked me and learned I do this at certain times) and pop me in the back of the head while I'm whistling away.
"Bounty Pistol Specialization III gives the Bounty Hunter speed and accuracy akin to a true gunslinger through a dissective understanding of a pistol's weight, barrel, and 'kick' characteristics."
And that's only
"Bounty Pistol Specialization III gives the Bounty Hunter speed and accuracy akin to a true gunslinger through a dissective understanding of a pistol's weight, barrel, and 'kick' characteristics."
-my skill
And that's only 3/4 of the way through it. So you're **edit** right I'm going to be as good or better than you pistoleers.
Note: I only scanned posts and skipped the second page.
But I have seen t5his argument near... well a lot of times so:
"Why do Pistoleers compare themselves to BH?" Because you use a spitol (said already) If a BH had two DIFFERENT wep lines, or were actually tailored to HUNT bounties and not use a weapon, then there would be no problem. But your profession had nearly NO testing in beta because it was changed at the last minute. That isn't a Pistoleers fault.
Why do BHs compare themselves to Pistoleers?
"When a Pistoleer posts in our forum we never flame them like this." ROFLMFAO!!!!! Good one man.
Finally: Will everyone stop acting like they are referring to one person when they are talking about a very large GROUP of people. I didn't choose to be a Pistoleer because I like Pistoleers and want to be in a club with them. I chose it because I wanted my characters to use Pistols. Will EVERYONE on BOTH sides understand this? No, of course not... Why do I even bother reading these boards anymore? Bah