Pistoleer Archive

I'm just going to nitpick on a couple of things people have stated.

"Did I miss the part where BH got "other cool weapons"?"

BH do get their own weapons, scatter pistol and LLC. If they are broken or do not work, that is not the pistoleer's fault, so please do not cry and moan to us about it, we didn't break it. But look at it this way, your not alone, because we only get one special weapon where you get two I believe, and our one is broken too, at least you have one of the two, so that should make you happy instead of mad at us.

"You want to hunt bountys and be really good at finding and killing things then go bounty hunter." - Apparently someone has never tried to be a bounty hunter. We are no longer good at finding and killing things. That's the problem. If I were to make a wild guess as to why this thread was started, it's because currently Pistoleers are wanting stuff like dual wield and little moves and stuff for their class (which is already too powerful compared to most others) and BHs just got a really bad nerf that kills a whole tree (and somewhat 2 trees, in fact) of our profession."

Once again, if BH got nerfed, we did not nerf you, so why are you complaining to us about it? I agree SOE nerfed you guys beyond anything desirable but it wasn't our idea, so please don't take it out on us. If we're the closest thing to a working profession then instead of nerfing us, you should talk to your correspondent and try to bring up your skill more in line with the working class of SWG. And yes, even Pistoleer's have their issue's, like specials not working properly or at all, specials that seem to cause greifing instead of fun which we want to change since we're not greifers, and defesive skills to all which are not even working right now.

"As for the pistoleer who said something about also being a BH, you aren't really much of a BH if you just picked up our pistol line. However, you do prove a point that the pistol line is currently the only working thing in the BH profession and that's why you got it. Your attempt at making the other guy appear wrong actually hurt your argument."

he is a Master pistoleer, he picked up your line mainly because of the speed and accuracy bonus. A lot of us are doing that because as it sits, your bonuses are better then ours. Since we put more Weapons Experience into pistol's, I believe Pistoleer's should have a higher accuracy. When it comes to pistol skills or skills in general, you move up the ladder and become better with experience, not points.

"So to summarize, we're currently a 1/4 working profession and while other classes are getting responses about stuff to make them more powerful (i.e. dual wield for pistoleers) we have yet to actually receive any official response to any of the problems/nerfs this new patch added for our profession."

If you have not received a response then you should make a post on the BH forum to your correspondent and have him get to work. If he is working and the Dev he is in contact with isn't doing his job, I don't see how that is our fault for you to come here and yell at us for it.

Read scorpions post, it's very good and accurate. The BH are the jack of trades, master of none. As a Bounty Hunter you should be able to exploit your oponents weakness, and he gives very good example on this. A bounty hunter's life is a life of strategy. The reason you learn scouting skills is to keep you alive in the woods while tracking a bounty down, you do know there are agro mobs out there that you can use traps on right? sometimes it's better to have some fun and pick them off instead of wasting time running away from them.

"I agree that an MBH should not be more effective with pistols than a Master Pistoleer. However, as I tried to point out to SanTzu, 2/3 of our weapon trees are currently borked to the point of being useless. The only one that is worth anything is usually picked up by Pistoleers as well. I have a problem when people say that our class is too powerful when it's currently not even worthwhile to use."

A Master Pistoleer has used more Pistol Experience to get there, more Pistol Experience then a Bounty Hunter, so he should be better with Pistol's. I agree that you have broken branches in the tree but once again, we didn't break them, you should post on the BH board till the dev's get tired and finally fix you. And I don't know of anyone here that has said BH are TO powerful. All we have said is that BH have more accuracy and speed then us and we don't understand why. If you search through the thread you'll see a post I made where I agree with BH having more speed, but not accuracy, the accuracty should be a trait of the pistoleer only. A good way of adjusting that is whatever number you have on speed more then us, we should have that same number of accuracy over you. Does this mean a nerf? NO, NEVER! It just means to up our accuracy so BH don't get screwed.

"AU, sucking at 3 weapons does not balance with being awesome at 1! =) "

No, but once your three weapons are working properly you will be well balanced with the master of one weapon, and in many instances, come out on top because you can work on the exploits (term used lightly). Once again, read scorpios post if you want to see how to exploit the weakness's of other Master Class's.

"Make elite combat professions require near the same skill points as a BH and I will be happy."

Only one problem with that my friend, Pistoleer, like Rifleman and Carbaneer, are Elite professions, that's what we focus on, so we're suppose to be the best on that. BH are hybrids, they take a bit from here and a bit from there, they are not master's, but because they are more skillful in the arts of war, they can overcome many weakness's in their prey, Once again, if you want an example on how to search a person's weakness, read scorpio's post (I hope I'm spelling his name right).

At the end, (because I'm tired of typing), I do not like nerf's. I think what they did to BH and some other class's really SUCK. What they should do is find the one working class that seems as Close to complete as possible. And obviously, the BH and some other's feel that Pistoleer is it. So SOE should be working on bringing all the other class's in line with us, not nerfing us, because then there will be no working profession to compair to. Think about that before you post please.

And a suggestion. If you would like to have some Pistoleer's help you out with some of your issues, I'm sure we have enough MP's here who have taken BH skills which will be more then happy to help you fix your class and bring it into line with ours. I think that is a better idea then running around every board yelling nerf.

Goodnight all

BH is the most diverse class. I wish pistoleer gave +20 / +20 accuracy and speed in each marksmanship box. As it is you're almost as good as pistoleer with your pistol, almost as good with carbine as carabineer, and have a totally unique class with which you can get really good called the lightning rifle.

Yes, if you go one-on-one with a pistol against a pistoleer you have a good chance of losing. But you're not made to go toe-to-toe with a pistoleer. A pistoleer has 18 skill boxes filled with pistol skill. You have four.

If you hit people with the weapons a BH is supposed to use to complete the job, you'll probably do better. But you're going to out-pull a gunslinger? Don't think so. Be smart and shoot him with a carbine or lightning rifle. If you need to get close get the first line of melee defense in pistoleer for knockdown.

Either that or keep screaming about nerfing pistol, and I'll start screaming about nerfing eye shot, and we can both cry and sob about the situation.

-- YP

You're not interested in what the forum community thinks of you, yet your specific role on the forum is to interact and help the community?

How'd the recruit you? I'm serious, because the two initial points negate eachother. If you don't care how you come across to the community that you're a tool in assisting, how effective can you really be at "corresponding"? Your messages have a much stronger chance of being seen by the people that make stuff happen. Therefore we hope that you're taking your appointed job seriously.

I do take the job seriously I put in more time then I should making sure I read all the posts about smugglers and try to express the comunities feelings to SOE. Now this threed is nothing more then profession envy so its not even related to my job as correspondent and I told it like I saw it. A troll by any other name is still a troll.

Point there for you, I didn't even bother to see how you respond in the BH forums. I just reacted to the content of your responses to this thread in comparison to the handy title that you carry that the rest of the thread does not.

MBH SHOULD be more powerful than a master pistoleer. Pistoleer is THE easiest elite profession to master atleast it was for me. Bounty Hunter is meant to be a profession that is very hard to master but in the end if you do you get rewarded. It is THE hardest elite profession to master with expection the jedi. So why even go through all the time to be a BH if you cant even take a pistoleer on.

Just made this point somewhere else:

STOP TRYING TO BE A SINGULAR WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION

Seriously, you choose Bounty Hunter because you want to be a prepared, multi-faceted hunting tool. That's what a bounty hunter does, they divide themselves into many tools so they're ready for anything that could impede their acquisition of the mark. They know long-ranged weapons, close combat, hunting, automatic weapons, heavy weapons, etc. They are a jack of all trades.

Unless you're a god, someone who spreads their skills out to be able to throw mutliple tools at a problem will always be lacking in the particular level of skill that a specialist puts into their field. A master pistoleer should darn well beat a BH who hasn't studied their pistol techniques with as much dedication. However, a BH has no weak spots (once everything's fixed), they have a tool and the skill to defend every aspect of themselves and exploit whatever weakness their target posesses.

Becoming a BH does not make you the best, it makes you a Bounty Hunter. You become what the class says you are. Nothing more, nothing less.

The thing that all of you don't seem to get, is that the bh sucks at everything now.

Sable: that's a temporary problem, not one warranting the "nerfing" of a class that's relatively unbroken. Once BH is fixed, if there's still a glaring discrepancy, then you can complain.

I totally agree, nothing is wrong with pistoleer, the DEV's just need to spend a lot of WELL THOUGHT OUT time on the BH, to fix what they screwed over.

aleshre, I disagree...

I am a good programmer and a good father (imho).

Being good at one does not take way from the other.

NO reason why someone can't be incredible at multiple firearms, I'm sure there are millions of RL examples of this.

The glaring discrepancy is that you think you can be the BEST at the BEST weapon in the game *AND* have the points to be the *BEST* class in the game left over....Creature Handler...

now WHO wants to be God again?

Wait wait, you don't agree, someone who has spent more points to reach a profession. SHould have more skills? let me think here..... isn't that balance?

because a BH can not master CH as well... they can't.... I'm not even a BH.

I was thinking of trying one out.... but Uhhhh, I've yet to become one.

I have a rifleman... and I don't expect to own a BH or be on par with them at all.

there's a huge differance between 35 skill points and 160 to get to Novice. and that huge differance is other skills that could be learned to assist combat. Knock down is the problem not BH skills.

I'm sorry but if I spent 160 skill points on my character justto get to noviceI **edit** well better get a bang for my buck because I can't master anything else after all is said and done.

and it's true.... before classes got nerfed I wouldn't have thought pistoleers and what not were over powered. but now, it is.

with my pistoleer I can completely kick ass with my pistols... plus I can be a CH.

and as far as the excuse that BH's get some extra missions and extra "cool weapons" that's the weakest excuse I've ever heard. Pistoleers get mroe bonuses to pistol skills then BH's do.

and they get their own elite pistol, just like a BH gets a scatter pistol, but BH get the LLC.... where's all the other awesome weapons you speak of? because they don't get a special carbine....

they get 2 weapons. the LLC and the Scatter pistol... and the LLC is heavy weapon. it's not like they get tons of extra pistols or even weapons for that matter.

hey I like pistoleers too, and carbineers and rifleman, all these professions rule.

But I really don't think people get how the game works, so they complain till a profession gets nerfed.

and NO a pistoller alone shouldn't be on par with a BH, as I said before, Pistoleers can do so much more.

so if all you are is a pistoleer and a BH beats you, get some other skills to help you out. or do PVP battlefields instead of basing yer opinion on a duel.