Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why do I even bother???
Hey I think you should push for what your class needs nothing against that.
Just the whining.
Do it in a NON WHINING WAY.
I will be happy. I have to read this crap after all.
BarneyIX BH
Jaegen88,
Not sure if you will see this - but out of all the corresponsents that I have read - your simply the best. You weigh each and every response to your questions. Regardless if you agree or not.
Remember that some of us believe you are doing an outstanding job!
I am a Pistoleer, and do not think we are underpowered. I think we could use a few tweaks (eg, it would be nice if dodge and defenses worked properly), but on the whole, we aren't so bad off. In reading Jaegen's post, I picked up on the frustration that instead of seeing that Pistoleers haveissues that need to be addressed, Holo believes that we are overpowered.
Other Professions need to take note of that, because he also stated that bringing up the other Professions to Pistoleer level may not be the right way to go. So instead of everyone getting their problems fixed (however severe, or not, they are), we may all get the shaft. If seeing all combat Professions suck equallymakes you happy, then you may get your wish.
This all boils down to perception. Pistoleers say the skills need some work, others come here and say we should be happy with what we have. Arguement ensues. Doesn't change the fact that Pistoleers have broken skills, and that other Professions need help too.
Thanks for your time and effort into our issues Jaegen.
Maybe afteryour post there will be some more thought pressed into Raph's comments, rather then just looking at the "statistic" of non-whine vs. whine proffesion posts.
Pleb Fel -BC-
BarneyIX ,
That's interesting, but it has nothing to do with why I'm ticked off. Did you read anything? Doubtful, no one here does. Let me spell it out for you.
Becaue we did NOT say we were gimped, pistoleers are candidates for a reduction in power.
Did you catch that? You're correct, we NEVER said we were "broken", so you AGREE with me, yet you missed the point that since we did say we weren't broken, we're candidates for nerf. There are things that need to be fixed, and we report them. What the heck more are we supposed to do, cry about things? Oh yes, we are supposed to do that! I took the high road and figured over time our issues would be fixed and we wouldn't have to jump up and down like idiots. But alas.
How many times do I have to say it? Pistoleers were probably one of the best tested combat professions in beta, and are certainly the most VANILLA.There is nothing to break, yet, low andbehold, we don't HAVE ANYTHING. Here Bareney, let's talk about percentage of things IN PISTOLEER that NEED CODING.
Dodge: not working
Defense vs Knockdown: not working
Defense vs Stun: not working
Defense v sBlind not working
Defense vs posture change: not working
Pistol melee defense 1 = knockdown is still bugged/broken
Pistol melee defense 2= useless, but functional, you dont use a melee attack for damage when you have a pistol, and fan blast does similar damage, why risk someone moving out of range? You don't.
Body shot 3 = does less damage than body shot 2, broken.
MTPS = broken
Disarming shot 2 = works, knockdown is still bugged/broken though
PBSINGLE/Double Tap/Stopping Shot/Fan Blast = these work. Granted they don't allow you to kill mobs any faster than body shot 2, but hey bro, you're right, they sure do work. Don't flamethrowers work?OMG, commando weapons "WORK"? WHy do they need fixing??? (Sarcasmin case you missed that too)
PBAOE2 = only hits one target...so bugged!
++ Pistol Speed : Neat, our pistol speed mod works....OR DOES IT? Once you hit 100 speed the balance of weapons and specials is 100% screwed up! Imagine that. That doesn't work either!
So here is YOUR cookie Barney: Out of the 17 things I listed, none of them really do what they are intended to do. That is, unless you think pistol melee defense 1 is SUPPOSED to work like that? As soon as you land it you win? Works like a charm.
I'd say that we have no crafting, no state effects, lower speed and accuracy than a bounty hunter, and out of the 17 things I listed, 2 work, not like the descriptions mind you, and they will be nerfed, and have been nerfed twice already. The rest, well, just use body shot2, everyone else does.
So what's what...89% "not working"? Thought so. A real super-fun profession where you XP through 18 boxes of pistol skills, the guy next to you that did 4 boxes (bounty hunter) is better than you (Barring knockdown), and your best special attack is body shot 2 from the marksman line. You're right, we should be crying a river. Next?
I think it's funny that Barney keeps telllinga community of players thatwe are cry babies, when in fact, the reason why I'm ticked off is because we were accused of NOT CRYING ABOUT ANTYHING, and thus deemed too powerful and in need of adjustment down.
Where did rational thought go? Did you miss the entire point AGAIN Barney? Am I surprised someone is trolling without #1 reading they are responding in reference to #2 not understanding it? no. Other than this post, have you ever seen me crying about anything? Oh wait, you haven't read any of our forum, so how exactly would you know? The fact is, I never did, but I could care less now. I took this much too seriously it seems.
""On the other hand, there are classes that are in worse shape then pistoleer, and should be prioritized, and to not think so is just plain selfish.""
OF COURSE THAT'S TRUE
We have been saying this forever over here, who cares if you don't read what we write, we keep saying it over and over and over. Read MY OWN posts on the commando board. "I feel for you guys, we have it easy with pistoleers", etc., etc. And in fact, see above. We didn't jump up and down like monkeys so now we're accused of being overpowered because knockdown is *sigh* still overpowered.
Prioritization of designer fixes HAS NO PLACE ON THIS FORUM.
We aren't anything. We discuss pistoleer issues, that is ALL we do. We don't tell SOE how to do their job, they don't want us to, I don't blame them.
Rational thought and level-headedness, NO LONGER HAS A PLACE ON THIS FORUM
That's my take anyway 
BarneyIX wrote:
What did you read his Subject line?
"Why do I even bother?? "
Like he is some kinda freaking martyer fighting for the good and JUST cause of the Pistoleers.
He had some good points, however, why post this thread? Its a waste. OMG he got angry. Oh no we( Pistoleers)*might* lose some power.
You didnt need to whine about being underpowered because you NEVER WERE.
I dont have a problem with his post originally its THIS POST that I have a problem with. I guess maybe I didnt communicate that well enough.
Why act like this? 90% of your class works as intended the other 10% just needs tweaking (I.E. the power of your specials needs to be adjusted ).
Why be so dramatic and negative? I really dont think it was the Fact that you didnt whine that MAY get you nerfed either. It probably has to do with people complaining about Pistolwhip no matter what Hol says.
This has to be THE whiniest class ever and my point is that this class has the LEAST to whine about.
BarneyIX BH
Coming from a Bounty Hunter, this is rich. Go back to your boards son and troll there. Ciao.
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Jund Starstrider - Novice Pistoleer/Novice Ranger - Chilastra
I haven't read through this entire thread, just the first couple of threads and the one you posted Jaegen. I ask the same thing as Vader did, please post that same post as a new thread, Vader said he'll bump it up periodically throughout the day, and so will I. Simple /bump, no posting, untill Holo can give us an answer on what he see's as being 'overpowered'. Because like you, I fail to see what he is seeing.
As someone who is only a novice pistoleer (been playing since launch), who mostly solos for time reasons, and is a casual player, I don't level up very fast.
This has me so discouraged because from my point of view some reds should simply NOT BE RED!!!!
Geez, they make it sound that if you can one one red mob you can own 'em all... There is only one or two reds I can take on without going straight to the cloner... but of course those are the ones I fight to level and I still only get 1000xp.
I can't believe Holo did that. I'm completely flabergasted that the trolls were able to brainwash Holo into thinking Pistoleers are in need of a nerf.
Fix/Adjust the cons, fix everybody's specials, fix defensive mods, then decide who's overpowered...
Jaegen's my baby's daddy.
Sorry you're starting to feel the way you are. As far as I've seen it, you and a lot of the correspondants are very responsive, and they also gather information very quickly..
Keep it up buddy =o)
I read through most of that huge thread last night. Here is a paraphrase from one guy:
Pistoleers are WAY OVERPOWERED. There is nothing I can do against them. I am eyeshoted 3 or 4 times and that's it.
Goddamn people are stupid. If pistols get nerfed again, I'm done. I went from being able to take selective missions on Lok. Using strategy and placement of special attacks, I could get some xp and some hides to sell. Single missions would sometimes take me one hour. Now I am back on Talus taking missions for rasps which con light blue and getting incapped once or twice per mission.
My pistol skills are 0/3/4/2. Tell me at what point will I be able to set foot on one of the other planets again. I guess people were advancing too fast before that patch. Fine, I'm definitely not now. Those light blue cons that I am able to kill now; they give me 1 pistol xp and 1 combat xp. I'll see master in 6 years. Nerf me again so it will take me 12 years. I don't care if this game was like opium, I'm not paying $15 a month for 12 years. I won't let myself do it.
If the developers want to nerf pistoleers, make some freakin characters and play the game to see what it's like. The least you could do is follow me around for a day or two and see how much fun I am having.
What the devs don't seem to understand is that most pistoleers don't whine about their proffesion, simply because enough of it works to still be enjoyable. Do we have some skills that could use some work? Hell yeah! Most of them could be fixed in half an hour max though, just up the % added for BS3, maybe cut down on the delay on stopping shot by like half a second, and FIX THE KNOCKDOWNS and boom, our class is finished. Let the dual-wield and holsters and such wait until after the other classes are fixed, these are just things that ppl think would be cool to have, not needed to bring the class up to speed. Hell, I'm all for them fixing the Commandos before they worry about ours, fix the one that needs the most help first.
Why is it that the devs seem determined to perceive any combat class that performs anywhere near it's true capability to be overpowered?
And Jaegen, once again I thank you for being able to keep your cool for so long with this, I'm surprised you haven't snapped like a couple of the other correspondents yet
