Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why do I even bother???
Sorry that should be ARE or ARE NOT over powered. I dont want to insuinuate that you are cause I personally dont believe that.
Just for heavens sake thank god your not a **edit** Commando and be happy.
BarneyIX BH
BarneyIX wrote:
I dont care if you ARE overpowered I just would like to hear from a Pistoleer that compared to the OTHER classes COMBAT and NON-COMBAT you guys have it sweet.
Instead you guys just whine.
Btw what you wrote is that what you MEANT to write or did you get confused?
BarneyIX BH
What the h-e-double hockey sticks does that have to do with Jaegen's post in the other forum, or in this one for that matter? Sure, maybe soem pistoleers who have had experience in other professions can account for that, but still....what does you hearing an pistoleer saying they have it good , have anything to do with this entire subject? I'm truely startign to believe that you have not read the post, or if you have that your reading comprehension needs some improvement.
As stated here several times already, Jaegen's post was in response to Holo's comment about pistoleers needing to be nerfed because we DON'T COMPLAIN about being underpowered. That right there should give you the stupid satisfaction you're trolling this forum and this particular thread for. Even Holo has stated that pistoleers are not complaining - unfortunately he seems to view that as a reason to try and nerf us.
Jaegen's post was basically a two-parter. The first part was asking Holo how he can view pistoleers as needing a nerf based solely on the fact that his (Jaegen's) correspondent reports were kept level-headed and void of whining, as compared to appearantly the general whine-fests that all (or most) of the other correspondent reports seem to be. And then he also mentioned what is overpowering in the pistoleer profession - and that it just so happens that several other professions have the same skill/ability. He even asked for it to please be nerfed!!
The second part of his post was then an attempt to show others that pistoleers are NOT overpowered like everyone wants to believe, since the only thing makes them appear to be so, is a skill that several other professions also have and use to the same effect. It also had the effect of posting like a whine since that seems to be the only type of posts the devs are concerned about.
Read any of Jaegen's other posts here on this forum, then try and tell us that you can't tell he was posting in fashion only in response to Holo's comments.
Spekao
Prologue: Barney, while I think your trolling would better be suited for the BH forums, I DO THINK it would be a good idea for SOE to fix the investigation and LLC branches of the BH tree so they aren't the compacted mounds of feces that they are now, and after that we can look at balance some more, with pistoleers, commandos,carabiniers, andBH's. See? Pistoleers can be understanding too.
Main body:
Jaegen, you seriously pwned yourself some Holocron with that post.
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... Will you marry me? 
What did you read his Subject line?
"Why do I even bother?? "
Like he is some kinda freaking martyer fighting for the good and JUST cause of the Pistoleers.
He had some good points, however, why post this thread? Its a waste. OMG he got angry. Oh no we( Pistoleers)*might* lose some power.
You didnt need to whine about being underpowered because you NEVER WERE.
I dont have a problem with his post originally its THIS POST that I have a problem with. I guess maybe I didnt communicate that well enough.
Why act like this? 90% of your class works as intended the other 10% just needs tweaking (I.E. the power of your specials needs to be adjusted ).
Why be so dramatic and negative? I really dont think it was the Fact that you didnt whine that MAY get you nerfed either. It probably has to do with people complaining about Pistolwhip no matter what Hol says.
This has to be THE whiniest class ever and my point is that this class has the LEAST to whine about.
BarneyIX BH
Hey easy,
As a pitoleer I think you might find yourself a rarity.
I guess I am trolling but I have a right to post wherever. I just dont want to see the Pistoleer whining get soo out of control. Starting this kind of thread just feeds that.
I wasnt even so much commenting about my class but others that are even worse of than mine. It is possible for me to advance but barely. I really dont see how some of the others ( broken classes ) do it all.
BUT FOR GODS SAKE DONT SAY PISTOLEER IS GIMPED BECAUSE IT ISNT!
BarneyIX BH
Barney would you feel better if our 'Pistoleer Corresponent' including something like: Make Commandos' Rocket Launcher longer range address your BH problems for you?
I read your postings here & what you posted revolutes around the fact that YOU THINK pistoleers aint broken and/orIS overpowered so the pistoleer corresponent shouldnt fight for our fixes/rights?
Just because some of our specials works & most of the other classes special doesnt work so we are overpowered? Why dont you ask/wait forthe developers to do their **edit** job & fix all the broken skills before you come & whine about us being overpowered?
From what i see you are the biggest whiner in this thread.
ShadowDrgn wrote:
Let's sum this up real quick:
Pistoleers are overpowered because we have knockdown skills.
Lots of classes have knockdown skills.
Somehow the conclusion becomes: the other classes *aren't* overpowered, but we are.
Yes, lots of classes have knockdown skills. TKA, for instance, has one that was recently nerfed. The resulting HAM cost to use unarmed knockdown is around 580 with VKs and around 280 without. It's pretty much like kicking yourself repeatedly every time you use it hehehe. Heck, it PvP opponents are going to be hoping TKs useknockdown as it will greatly reduce the time it takes to kill them.
Anyway, I think the pointis that Pistoleers' knockdown isoverpowered compared to that of other classes--or at least that is the perception of lots of non-Pistoleers. You can spam KD with little negative affect (correct me if I am wrong) while--at least in the case of TKA--it is suicidal to use it. I guess other classes whoare feeling the pain of recent nerfs are looking at Pistoleers, whom many consider the strongest PvP class, and asking "Why us and not them?"
Unfortunately, class vs class bickering is one of the most nefarious end-products of the nerf stick. I am a Rifleman/TKA. Those two profession boards are full of comparions to Pistoleer. Basically, for TKs it is "Whydo theyinsanely raise the HAM cost on TKA specials and not those of Pistoleers, whoalready routinely kick our butts?" For Rifleman, it is "Why are you nerfing ourbest weapons when most pistols are insanely more powerful and versitile them ours? Pistoleersalready can kick our butts and now it'll be worse."
Heck,I came to your board just to see what you guys were thinking and was suprised that you have issues as well. LOL
I don't think I've ever played a MMORPG that didn't have class bickering that resulted in the game being released before the classes were somewhat balanced--and in games that include PvP it is intensified. Face it, TK's have a very valid point about the insane HAM costs of unarmed knockdown and it is only natural that they willpoint out the disparitywith Pistolwhip. I don't think anyone is whining about Pistoleers--well, at least most of us aren't. They are just using Pistoleer as a means of comparision. Unfortunately, if the devs take the easy way out they will just make your KD as useless as TKA's KD is now--then you guys can whine about how TKs pressured the devs to ruin your class LoL.
Anyway, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the devs will start balancing as opposed to out-and-out nerfing of some classes while leaving others alone, If this starts turing into a game where every player has a cookie-cutter, flavor-of-the-month character template then I am outta here--and I think I'll have lots of company.
Q'Darious
TKA/Rifleman Sunrunner
At this point I am going with...
Someone buy BarneyIX a dog, **edit** he is lonely.
For the last time I dont think Pistoleers are overpowered. They are fine.
Its Pistoleers that think that they are UNDERPOWERED is the problem and the fact that they complain about being gimped.
Its not the fact that your correspondant fought for you. Good for him. Its that he started this whiny post to point you guys in the direction of his defense against the devs and others.
BarneyIX BH
BarneyIX wrote:
What did you read his Subject line?
"Why do I even bother?? "
Like he is some kinda freaking martyer fighting for the good and JUST cause of the Pistoleers.
He had some good points, however, why post this thread? Its a waste. OMG he got angry. Oh no we( Pistoleers)*might* lose some power.
You didnt need to whine about being underpowered because you NEVER WERE.
I dont have a problem with his post originally its THIS POST that I have a problem with. I guess maybe I didnt communicate that well enough.
Why act like this? 90% of your class works as intended the other 10% just needs tweaking (I.E. the power of your specials needs to be adjusted ).
Why be so dramatic and negative? I really dont think it was the Fact that you didnt whine that MAY get you nerfed either. It probably has to do with people complaining about Pistolwhip no matter what Hol says.
This has to be THE whiniest class ever and my point is that this class has the LEAST to whine about.
BarneyIX BH
Ummm, maybe he's holding himself as the martyr of the class because He is the Pistoleer correspondent for these forums and as such, that ONE statement from Holo basically made all his level-headedness and great correspondent posts here, mean diddly-squat?
Like I said, why not read his other posts in these forums before you try and flame the guy for getting emotional for the first time, in response to the devs seemingly to not appreciate the fact that he's worked his rear off to keep his correspondent posts void of shining and to focus on what they are truely for - discussing ways to improve the class.
So what if currently Pistoleers are better off than the other classes? This forum was put here to discuss those things, not what things need to be done to improve the other classes. you want to crusade for the under-developed classes, I would suggest you go to the forums put in place for just that, not come here where it really has absolutely no bearing to what this forum was put here for. Do I think pistoleers are better off than several of the other classes? sure, but what does that have to do with anything discusses in this forum? Absolutely nothing.
And I agree that probably has little to do with Jaegen's lack of whining in his correspondent posts that is going to bring about the nerf on pistoleers...but the fact remains that the way Holo put it, it had pretty much everyhting to do with the lack of whining. But how are we to truely know? Here we have a Dev saying that because of the lack of complaining and whining from our profession, we need to be nerfed. There is nothing stating otherwise, so it's basically the only thing there to go by. How do you think you would feel in Jaegen's shoes? And don't even try to pull that stupid campaigning for the other classes again as a retort. If you were the correspondent for a class, it's your duty to focus on that class and how to improve/balance it.
So imagine you take your duty seriously and keep your reports level-headed, calm and focuesed. Then you're basically told that because you did that, your profession does not need to be inproved, but rather nerfed. How do you truely think you would feel?
Again, this forum is not here to post about other professions, as under-developed as they may be. this forum (the Pistoleer professions board) is here to discuss ways to improve the pistoleer profession.
Spekao
I totally love you Jaegan. I was furious about Holo's post and was going to respond myself until I saw what you wrote. What Holo said was a total joke ... we're "overpowered" and need to be nerfed because we didn't whine and complain in the first email to the Devs. Give me a break. Anyone who has read these forums knows that all of our specials (except whip and disarm2) are broken or suck.
I think all of us are impressed with the way you've researched these issues and have conducted this board. I've said many times that you are doing an awesome job.
I do think, however, that you should send an e-mail to the Devs about Holo's comments because he personally singled you out in a way. I also think this is important because your response to him is in the whiny tone that he apparently prefers. I hold out some hope that your usual calm and rational persona would get a better response from him. For that reason, I think it would be a good idea to calmly explain our position (it is OUR position -- you definitely speak for all of us, I'm with you 100%) and get a response from him acknowledging that he read your email and understands our point of view.
Ordinarily I don't think it's worth bugging the Devs, but in this case I think you need to do that. Even if he bothers scrolling 8 pages into the replies, I think it would be better to have a more formal and even-tempered response.
Samra Hael
Pistoleer / Scylla
KOTOR
BarneyIX wrote:
For the last time I dont think Pistoleers are overpowered. They are fine.
Its Pistoleers that think that they are UNDERPOWERED is the problem and the fact that they complain about being gimped.
Its not the fact that your correspondant fought for you. Good for him. Its that he started this whiny post to point you guys in the direction of his defense against the devs and others.
BarneyIX BH
What the **edit** does that have to do with anything you've tried mentioning before then? why the hell even bother coming here and posting the dog crap you've been? Because YOU don't like that he posted here to ask us, those he's representing if we think he went too far in a passionate post he made to try and defend our class? Man, you really need a life.
Spekao
**edit**, BarneyIX trolling this thread too?
BARNEY: Is it ok with you if we(pistoleers) talk about pistoleer issues and petition them to be fixed?? *Looks to forum heading* Yep, this is the pistoleer forum. Or do you think the pistoleer forum should be filled with posts about the Bio-Engineer/Droid Engineer/Commando and all the other MORE broken professions? We pistoleers recognize the fact that other professions have more problems than we...but do you really expect us to stop pushing for the further development of our class due to this? We don't have the devs on a leash... In fact, that would be cool 
(j/k)
Stop trolling here and go do the same in your forum for Bounty Hunters. They could use your support and we could use some peace and quiet from your incessent trolling remarks.