Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Fellow Pistoleers
WesBelden wrote:
EsistDarkSky wrote:
I wasn't using it in the SWG sense of the word. I was using it in the sense that it uses the fewest possible skill points in the game, compared to Bounty Hunter, which takes about 9 times as much to even get novice.
If you want to discuss the use of SP, be my guest - let's look at the elite combat professions first - it takes 92 SP to master each one, all of which go into combat skills.
Now, Bounty hunter, it takes 217 SP to master, 77 of which arespent on master scout, 14 of which are spent on the investigation tree. This leaves 126 SP spent on combat ability, which is split three ways between carbine, pistol and LLC. meaning that 42 SP has been spent on each equally.
That means BHs should, going on just SP, be proficient as with each weapon as a Novice elite profession with one and a half skill boxes.
You may have noticed BHs are infact much better than this with each weapon they are able to use - so please, DO NOT PLAY THE AGE OLD AND INNACURATE SKILL POINTS CARD FOR BOUNTY HUNTERS.
There, I feel much better now. Have a nice day, and please feel free to mark this post with a one star rating aswell
Message Edited by WesBelden on 04-04-2004 07:50 AM
Message Edited by WesBelden on 04-04-2004 07:51 AM
Then pick up Bounty Hunter or Smuggler. You have the skill points to do so.
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i say we do what the wookies did for armor , everbody create a toon on a certain server , meet at a certain spot , and spam our demands.
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Ok, firstly I am sick, I have a headache, and my flem is colored a very pretty shade of green. So if this comes out mean, thats teh reason.
Anyone who uses the OMG you can pick up smuggler commando or BH stuff ot make pistols better IS A **edit**ING MORON. END OF STORY.
Why? Lets talk combat effectiveness. In a buffed battle, pistoleer is the second least effective combatent in teh game, next to pikeman. I pick up smuggler, I'm now spending more then the 92 skill points everyone else is, I am now just a tad bit more effective, lets be honest, low blow isnt that good, with panic shot gone DF is only really, spending points on Last Ditch. So I have now spent 141 skill points to be almost as good as everyone else. I might be able to beata very good buffed carbiner, beating a very good buffed rifleman is still infinitly harder then it should be. I can spend the remainder of my points on melee, and become more effective in melee then at range, and I still have an overall deficeny in defense.
Lets say I master pistoleer, and get BH pistols 4, I have I beleive 4 skill points left. I am now offensively on par with a rifleman, however, I have next to no defenses, and so will lose no matter what simply because I will get hit with EVERYTHING thrown at me.
Essentially the arguemnt that because we cna pick up 6 new specials, we MUST is absrub, specifically because we already suck so badly, we spend more points to simply be on par. A rifleman will spend his 92 skillpoints, dump teh rest in combat, just like we will, but a riflebased template taking up 250 skill points is ALWAYS better then a pistol template taking up 250 skillpoints. PERIOD.
So again, I reiterate. If your using the "You dont suck SO BAD if you spend the rest of your skill points on pistol" YOUR A **edit**ING IDIOT. I'm sick and **edit**ing tired of being the least feared person in a battle. I pick out pistoleers and BH, because I know I cna kill them using my TKM skills. I use my pistol less in pvp combat thenI do my fencer stuff, and I"m only a 1-4-0-4. Essentially, as a pistoleer, unless you've resigned yourself to using it only as a state defense buffer, you are required to spend 140 skillpoints just to get Last Ditch, which fires to slow, and is only usefull for the STUN effect.
I am this bloody close to quitting this game, not that such a promise holds any weigh in a overall discusion, but its the truth. And I swear to GOD if I hear one more "use your skillpoints" BULL**edit** ARGUMENT I WILL GO MAD. I would agree with that argument if 250 skill points in combat ment 250 skill points in combat, BUT IT DOSENT. SO SHOVE IT AND SHUT THE **edit** UP, YOU ARE WRONG.
EsistDarkSky wrote:
Pistoleer isn't an Elite class. You simply have to get Pistols 4 to get it.
Its essentially a support class.
Fix the Specials. Give FWG5s Light Armor Piercing. Thank you. You're Fixed.
EsistDarkSky wrote:
blyadchik wrote:
Well, a Rifleman takes the same number of points, but one on one with a rifleman, I stand no chance.
Name another class that uses Riflemen. Pistoleer gets both Bounty Hunter AND Smuggler.
Look at the skill tree. There are NO classes that require Master Pistoleer. Only Pistols 1. We are talking about two people spending the same amount of skill points and still not being on barely even a whisper of close to even ground. Were you the one who said Pistoleer should bea support class? Last time I checked, Sniper's were support and people who fight close in are the real-deal. A Sniper is one who stays far off, laying on his belly, basically immobile under the cover of camoflauge/natural concealment, and picks his targets off slowly, one by one. Not someone who runs around out in the open blasting his 20-30lb rifle as if it were a six gun at 6-8 different people and walking away without a scratch. I don't want the Riflemen nerfed. I just want a Pistoleer to be what he should be, a Viable combat class and something people look forward to Mastering, not dreading when their holo tells them Pistoleer.
Just giving us dual-wield won't do anything for us either. We need power. Compared to every other profession in the game, we are the most **edit**ed up yet. And it doens't get any better when they give us a good pistol then nerf it a day later. QUIT NERFING MY GOD DAMNED WEAPONS! HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT ME TO NOT DIE IN 2 SECONDS AGAINST A TKM? Master rifleman?