Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Triple Master vs. Pistols-Template
Altairrr
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:18 am
#27
Jpshaff01 wrote:
(Why would you be able to do more damage than a person with the same offensive stats as you)
Because of different stat weapons and armor.
Because its irrelevant
Why? Because the other template doesn't have eyeshot? Because the other template is allowed to use AA's to cap speed and raise accuracy or else pistoleer is basically useless in PvP, but I cant use DOTs?
Test this it works, mitigation carries over its the toughness that doesnt.
I will
Ok so your gonna stay in DB range a.k.a. melee range..........
Pistoleers accuracy is better in the short range, you should know that. I can also kite and chose to get closer once the opponent is about to get incapped.
Message Edited by Altairrr on 10-14-2004 08:21 AM
-Darkstarr-
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:05 am
#28
Jpshaff01 wrote:
(Why would you be able to do more damage than a person with the same offensive stats as you)
Because of different stat weapons and armor.
Because its irrelevant
Why? Because the other template doesn't have eyeshot? Because the other template is allowed to use AA's to cap speed and raise accuracy or else pistoleer is basically useless in PvP, but I cant use DOTs?
Test this it works, mitigation carries over its the toughness that doesnt.
I will
Ok so your gonna stay in DB range a.k.a. melee range..........
Pistoleers accuracy is better in the short range, you should know that. I can also kite and chose to get closer once the opponent is about to get incapped.
So you're basing your victory on having better equipment? You're getting off subject... we're talking about template vs template, not how much money we can pay to win. You also stated you have enhanced ranged defense? I can play that way as well and equip my2 aukuan rings, a field pack, andsome attachments... now Im at 91 ranged defense with FS. Sorry but no matter how you put it, the triple master has MORE defense and considering the damage done by both templates is the same, the triple master will ALWAYS win in a pure template vs template. That is what this discussion was about. Heck... a novice marksman with uber comp and uber buffs can beat the BEST defense stacking jedi killer with a simple 500str mind fire cdef. This isn't about your inventory, its about the templates themselves.
And on the subject of staying in melee range, first you threaten to kite all triple masters, yet you state you'll stay close enough to DB. Melee range for TKM is 15m for lunge (change posture). By the time you stand up, they're in 6m range. Sorry but you're contradicting yourself. You cannot kite a triple master and expect to outshoot them through accuracy because your own accuracy is reduced, bringing it below your opponents. If you choose to stay in melee range for enhanced accuracy, they'll kd/dizzy you.
Quit taking this so personal. This is an rpg that takes no skill whatsoever to play, besides maybe doing to the math to see if you have enough SPs to complete your template. RPGs were meant to be played so that one prof always beats another, which gets beaten by another, etc etc etc.
Message Edited by -Darkstarr- on 10-14-2004 11:06 AM
Altairrr
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:19 pm
#29
Darkstar,
Don't talk about my equipment and what I cant or cant use. You NEED speed tapes to even compete, dont be a hypocrite.
Thanks.
Don't talk about my equipment and what I cant or cant use. You NEED speed tapes to even compete, dont be a hypocrite.
Thanks.
-Darkstarr-
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:37 pm
#30
Speed and accuracy tapes are understood to be "required" for the triple master. Ranged defense et al are not.
Actairr
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:19 pm
#31
I really love pistols and love pve so I went pistols/swordsman. Both alone are not very good at pvp but together I did really well. You will do fine as tkm/pistols. But then again I really liked bh pistols so you might want to do that. Depends what you like really
DarthXadius
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:26 pm
#32
Actairr wrote:
I really love pistols and love pve so I went pistols/swordsman. Both alone are not very good at pvp but together I did really well. You will do fine as tkm/pistols. But then again I really liked bh pistols so you might want to do that. Depends what you like really
Swordsman, other than a dot using pikeman, is the best profession for pvp when fighting Jedi, and good overall, especially when speed capped.
Pistols, when coupled with smuggler, is the best pvp combination in the game - with the obvious weakness when fighting a Jedi which block 80% of the shots fired at master saber.
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Jpshaff01
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:29 pm
#33
Yeah i just switch to a template like this, master swords, master pistoleer, 0040 smuggler, 0030 medic, FS melee speed nad accuracy. I havent had time to pvp since i finished it since i play in the morining and afternoon. But it is awesome for PvE which is why i switched in the first place, tka sucks for NS.
DarthXadius wrote:
Actairr wrote:
I really love pistols and love pve so I went pistols/swordsman. Both alone are not very good at pvp but together I did really well. You will do fine as tkm/pistols. But then again I really liked bh pistols so you might want to do that. Depends what you like really
Swordsman, other than a dot using pikeman, is the best profession for pvp when fighting Jedi, and good overall, especially when speed capped.
Pistols, when coupled with smuggler, is the best pvp combination in the game - with the obvious weakness when fighting a Jedi which block 80% of the shots fired at master saber.
DarthXadius
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:31 pm
#34
Jpshaff01 wrote:Yeah i just switch to a template like this, master swords, master pistoleer, 0040 smuggler, 0030 medic, FS melee speed nad accuracy. I havent had time to pvp since i finished it since i play in the morining and afternoon. But it is awesome for PvE which is why i switched in the first place, tka sucks for NS.
DarthXadius wrote:
Actairr wrote:
I really love pistols and love pve so I went pistols/swordsman. Both alone are not very good at pvp but together I did really well. You will do fine as tkm/pistols. But then again I really liked bh pistols so you might want to do that. Depends what you like really
Swordsman, other than a dot using pikeman, is the best profession for pvp when fighting Jedi, and good overall, especially when speed capped.
Pistols, when coupled with smuggler, is the best pvp combination in the game - with the obvious weakness when fighting a Jedi which block 80% of the shots fired at master saber.
TK is fantastic for every kinbd of NS, even in groups, except elders.
Jpshaff01
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:37 pm
#35
sword just wrecks everything in PvE though, you gotta admit that.
DarthXadius
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:42 pm
#36
Jpshaff01 wrote:sword just wrecks everything in PvE though, you gotta admit that.
I didn't say that swords was bad at all in PvE, please show me where I did.
Tk however can take damage much better than swords can, and is able to take out groups of spellweavers, protectors, etc with ease. The only reason a elder cannot be killed TK, is that they are 100% to kinetic. Only energy and blast (powerhammers) can hurt them. If chefs could use a blast damage weapon with AP2, they would also be nice for nightsister elder killing.
Jpshaff01
Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:48 pm
#37
I don't know how you got all defensive that quick, its just a fact that swords will kill NS way faster than tka. No matter how many or what kind.
DarthXadius wrote:
Jpshaff01 wrote:
sword just wrecks everything in PvE though, you gotta admit that.
I didn't say that swords was bad at all in PvE, please show me where I did.
Tk however can take damage much better than swords can, and is able to take out groups of spellweavers, protectors, etc with ease. The only reason a elder cannot be killed TK, is that they are 100% to kinetic. Only energy and blast (powerhammers) can hurt them. If chefs could use a blast damage weapon with AP2, they would also be nice for nightsister elder killing.
CaixCatab
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:14 pm
#38
for the love of god don't do this.
Any motivation on that? Why it wouldn't work for example?
Arktoo
Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:22 am
#39
Posting as this alt because my other more mouthy self got banned.
I have speed capped master sword.
I have had TKM on the same toon and am getting it to complement my smuggler/pistol alt.
There is _no_ comparison as to which is the better pve killer.
There is not a single thing that TKM does better than a speed capped sword...except meditate.
CoB counterattack is better than defensive acuity and the extra defense/toughness of the TKM is _quickly_ rendered a non point by the fact that the fight takes 33% of the time with the swords toon. On the swords toon, I dropped tkm for the meditate tree and defenses and picked up the fencer defenses.
My swordsman ended up looking like this. Mswords/TK 4-3-0-0/Fencer 0-4-4-0/master brawler/ medic 2-2-4-0 and FS speed 4.
Don't get me wrong, TKM has its place. The triplemaster template is one that I have wanted to play for a while, and while it is definitely fun, it is in no way as good at PVE as my swordsman.