Pistoleer Archive

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DarthXadius wrote:

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drummer wrote:

i have a tangel pistol 1.7 speed 190 damage

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No you don't. Tangles with the best resources on my server are 3.4ish speed about 102 max damage. You put a Nym Feeder in there, and that adds another 20ish damage. A 30% damage slice on top of that and your looking 160ish damage. With loot and a 30% or greater slice you are looking at 160ish damage tops, with 3.4 speed. A speed slice on a nym tangle would be 2.3ish and 122ish damage. 2.2 speed with the maximum 35% slice.

Powerups of course can change this of course, but I'm assuming you aren't talking about a poweruped up weapon.

Also the key aspect of these guns is their limited range - 48 meters. Check the rangs mods on your tangle - they can't have scopes - they will all be negative. My sonic blaster has +60 at ideal range. A krayt crafted, damage sliced sonic blaster is the most lethal weapon in game against your typical composite clad person. Tangle doesn't even come close.

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OMG, can't believe it took so manyposts for someone intelligent to post.

But to reiterate.... the PRIMARY reason that makes geonosian pistols SUPERIOR to tangle pistols... has nothing to do wtih Damage or spd at all and has EVERYTHING to do with ACCURACY.

8/10 tangle pistols shots will miss it's target, couple that with slow speed and low damage and it's a wholly worthless gun for the most part. It likes to tease us with the occasional hit where you slice right thru someones armor.

But now the geonosian while not being particuarlly superior in damage or speed (unless crafted), at the very least a geonosian pistol has a HUGE accuracy increase over that of a tangle... so as where instead of hitting someone 2/10 shots your hitting them 9/10 shots. That drives the usefullness of this gun WAY UP. Looted or crafted geonosian pistols rock.

Personally I used to use my looted one all the time. Only a measly 120dmg and somewhat slow, but it was such a huge improvement to be able to actually land my shots with it that it made my tangle pistol wholly worthless and I used it all the time. Slice it, put a powerup on it, it served as a plenty great gun.

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DarthXadius wrote:

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RylanStorm wrote:
No you don't. Tangles with the best resources on my server are 3.4ish speed about 102 max damage. You put a Nym Feeder in there, and that adds another 20ish damage.

As a master weaponsmith I used to make tangles like that.

My Geonosian blaster is 266 max damage 2.0 delay - unsliced.

It is by far better then the tangle pistol in every aspect.

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Im sure galaxies vary, but that large of a gap - 1.7 speed and 190 damage with no slice, powerup or loot sounds fishy to me.

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That gun is most likely multisliced; getting those stats legitimately would require rare loot drops and a lucky slice. Spider fangs from the geonosian dungeon are 30 max -0.3 speed base stats, bringing it to 140 3.0 (assuming a 110 max 3.3 standard tangle to simplify the numbers a bit). 33% speed slice to 140 2.0, 33/16 damage/speed powerup to 186 1.7. Standard tangles are not 110 max, so that means a fang with enhanced damage would be required. The spider is on a rather slow spawn timer and doesn't always drop fangs, most fangs have base stats, and the chance of getting a high-end slice is quite small.

Tangles made with 683con 983OQ codoan copper and 944/960 polysteel in the other two slots are something like 108 max damage. Codoan copper appears to have a conductivity cap of 740-750, so if one spawned with max conductivity and 950+ OQ it would only improve damage by 2 or 3 points.

Theres a pic of my geo.. Satisfied ?

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=51215&poll_id=0&warned=y

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Ametrand wrote:

ANy crafted gun will outbeat a looted gun (usually anyway)

my crafted geo blaster is 2.0 speed 121-224 damage

with stun damage and master pistoleer and master smuggler, thats gonna kick some seroius ARSE

especially with my 80%+ effective comp armor

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DarthXadius wrote:

The one guy had a point about a huge % of the gun being based off the copper, and his server may have gotten a godly spawn of it - it would take 5 min on swgcraft.com to find out - but for that dramatic of a increase, I still have doubts. Not that I'm doubting them, I'm sure its just either a) godly spawn of copper made a whole new weapon or b) they forgot what the real stats are.

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That gun is most likely multisliced; getting those stats legitimately would require rare loot drops and a lucky slice.

As I said it was unsliced and I know it was unsliced because those were the stats shown on the item when I did the experimentation and when I pulled them out of my own factory.

The tangle is nowhere near the stats of a crafted Geonosian Sonic but 110 damage is far off decent.

I don't know how innaccurate they were though. To be honest I never checked.

Perhaps on other servers the tangel is a decent pistol, on tarq however, if your fool stupid enough to come at me with a tangle I will destroy you, its that simple. The best tangels I have ever seen in game had 130 max damage. My current looted geo pistol, with PU is 298max, 135 min. Speed 3.0.

I have a whole load of geno pistols I've looted, and have been given by those who have looted them. So far only one schem that has been lootedon tarq(by a PA member infact ). My other geno pistol is speed 2.8 min 97 max 150 with a 35% potency action poison. I also have a speed one, with 2.0 speed, and 78- 122 damage.

So again, while I beleive the gun in teh first post may infact be in existence, on tarq an un PU'ed unsliced tangel wont reach over 130 with the best components. Again I state, if you are fool enough to come at me with a tangel pistol, BH/pistoleer or otherwise, you better pray to god, I'm alseep at the wheel.

Message Edited by coln on 03-22-2004 08:18 AM

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JuddaFett wrote:
you sir are wrong. I have a Geon. sonic Blaster that is 1.8 Speed, 282ish-440 Stun Damage (with powerup) How is this better than tangle? With Fan shot, people are running in the opposite direction

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