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i was referring to PISTOLEER tree, the entire tree not pistol tree in marksman

70550 combat xps
91k pistol
91k carbine
91k rifle
400k misc weaopn xps (for the 40k combat to qualify)

62k scouting
31k trapping
36k wilderness

473790 total + 400k additional weaopns xps you get while trying to quialify with the 40k combat to get bh. so to qualify to be bh you need 874k xps (rounded up). and mind you that alot of this xps is harder to get then just shooting a mob with a gun... wilderness xps.. camps.. you have to have people getin your caps.. Scouting xps you get from skinning mobs.. at about 100ish for a nice high level mob... thats skinning 620 mobs.. you get the point.

only have 90 skill points remaining after you make novice bh.

pistoleer carbineer rifleman 216k xps of only the weapon they are using.. no camping.. no battle xps (as req for the class).. no nothing.. just a weapon.

you have to make more then 4x more xps then a normal profession.. on top of that you have to make it in DIFFERENT weapon lines.. so while he is spec and getting the uber xps.. you are pulling out your intermediate rifle... harder xps with or without group because even in group you compete for xps by the damage you do...

This is in hopes you can read.

LordJunior

friendly word of advice before you try to argue with someone.

Make sure you know what your talking about. If you read my posts and have been around for any amount of time you would know that I have taken the time to look at all the classes on paper and take down all the numbers so I can talk without talking out of my arse.

Dang you really dont know what you are talking about do you? wilderness xps.. camps.. you have to have people getin your caps.. Ok go out and try this one yourself. You get WILDERNESS survival with NOBODY in your camp. How do I know that? B/c I saw my friend do it. So go macro it. Make one camp and disband it every 20 mins or so and you will get experience. If you need someone in it have a pet out. There is your group. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your comments b4 you speek.

The entire marksman tree is so easy to master. I got my friend pistol specialist in about 2 hours max. That means in about 6 hours I can master marksman. Wow hard stuff. (i did this 2 days ago with a friend that just created an account so this is recent info).

Now lets move onto scout, shall we? In the process of getting pistol specialist my friend completed Explor II and Hunting I and is almost able to get Explor III. So the entire Exploration tree and the entire Hunting tree can be mastered easily in the time it takes to get master marksman. What about trapping? Some of the traps are bugged. I watched a different friend of mine throw traps on creatures for anywhere from 125xp -465 xp(as we speak my friend is getting 465 xp per trap). Wow thats so hard. Now if you use the proper method to get survival up then you will master that just as fast.So where does that leave us? I believe mastering the entire scout and marksman tree in 3 days tops.

Now lets consider that we have to get the 40,000 combat experience to get Novice BH. Split your efforts across both PISTOL and CARBINE and you will have enough experience to level up the Carbine Spec I and Pistol Spec I right there.

Do you want me to become any more clearer? Right now Pistoleer Master Special abilities requires 150,000 xp. I have Master Tactics, Marksm, and Stances and Grips and I am still 50,000 xp short of that 150 mark. I HATE COMBAT XP.

All of this means that you can easily master both SCOUT and marksman in 3 days.

You are right, BH is harder, mainly b/c of the Investigation tree. And the devs stated that its going to be so much harder? On my server we have multiple Expert BH's running around. Only reason there are no masters is b/c we just got the resources for LLC's here about 3 days ago. There are more BH's then pistoleers on Ahazi.

I have been around since Beta 2 so dont try throwing accusations out there. Maybe you just didnt understand what I was saying. Also what I said earlier is that getting up Carbine Spec, Pistol Spec and LLC Spec is the same as getting up Pistoleer Tactics, Marksmanship, and Stances and grips. Thats what I was saying earlier. Its the Investigation part thats the hardest to get up.

The entire marksman tree is so easy to master. I got my friend pistol specialist in about 2 hours max. That means in about 6 hours I can master marksman.

Ok I just have to ask: How do you get 91k exp in 2 hours considering at novice marksman you cant hit the side of a barn. AND you have to start out using CDEFs. I consider myself pretty effecient killing in dath and getting about 100k an hour and to be able to do that in just twice the time? Maybe at novice marksman you were killing 2000 experience to my 4000. How was your "friend" able to kill a 2000 experience mob using a CDEF with accuracy and speeds of what like 10 and 5?

Snuffer and Junior, and I feel silly saying this since it's juniors thread... Try and keep it constructive. I was a bit snide in my first post, but I worked out my differences with stinky. Remember we are all players here. If we can think of constructive solutions they stand a better chance of being implemented than if we flame each other.

And if either a BH or Pistoleer wants to whine, I advice them to puruse the commando profession for 20 seconds. We got it so good compared to those poor suckers.

This thread has shown that their is a need for a solution, that some issues do exist, but not on just one side of the fence. I concede that given certain situations a bounty hunter should certainly outperform a pistoleer and vice versa. Regardless of what either side thinks, to master either side it is a lot of work. And mastering either side should mean just that being a true "Master" of that profession.The problem seems to stem from the fact that at this point neither proffession, and it could be argued that a good deal of others, don't accuratly reflect what the players who chose those professions think they should be. Calling someone names or questioning ones ability to read (although I frequently think that at least that is warranted) isn't going to change SOE's mind.

Cheese ball time - Only the players are going to get changes implemented, and only if we are mature in our dealings with SOE and CSR's, as annoying as they may sometimes seem. Arguing with other players is going to exacerbate the situation. Additionally, lets not kid ourselves and think that we can force SOE to do this or that with "Our Wallets" (HA!). There was a thread on the Radiant boards about how the Weaponsmiths in game don't really need your buisness. They already have millions of credits, so if they are rude to you, so what. There are 10000 (or is it only 1000) people on each server, they only need 100 to buy from them to be successful, they rest can piss off. So that is kinda how SOE is going to see us, as the whining teeming millions that if we leave, well a dozen more will take our place. So lets **edit** that "Boycott Lousy Service" thing in the bud before someone thinks we should do that. Like they did during launch week.

If we all at least attempt to act in a mature and reasonable manner, we will probably be treated as a mature and reasonable customer would be, with respect and with a greater eye to providing better service to such and excellent group of folks. After reading the boards and this thread I do feel that the game has a heck of alot of potential, and is only going to get better. As much as I hate UO when I think back on the year I wasted on it before my ex stole my house (I am a very bitter MMORPG'er), with time I can look back and realize that the devs there did make improvements as the game went on. Things probably aren't as bad as we think they are. But the things that we think are bad need to be dealt with reasonably, and think this is part of why each profession has a correspondant.

Anywho, sorry if my previous posts just fanned more flames, but I hope that anyone who reads this thinks about it. This is after just a game. I should probably be spending more time with my girlfriend. =)

**edit**, I gotta get off this soapbox, my feet are killing me....

LordJunior

Yes, there is a post where the devs place a time frame to get to master in each class. It shows you how many hours per week you have to play in order to master a class in 2 months.

Bh was the highest hour per week of the combat classes.

Quite easy actually. My friend, BRAND NEW, got it in about 2 hours. He was in shock that I did it so fast. I will state it simply without giving any clues. Do you remember the Kimo glitch where they got stuck on tents? Its similar to that.

Snuffer the devs can say wahtever they want. They dont take into consideration other things in game. Thats why they are changing so much right now in game. B/c a LOT is off balance right now. When everything settles down ill believe it but now there is no way that is true.

I will state it simply without giving any clues. Do you remember the Kimo glitch where they got stuck on tents? Its similar to that.

I'm not familiar with the Kimo glitch, I'm sort of a Johny Come Lately when it comes finding out things like that. But if I'm understanding what you're saying is that you're using an exploit to level up faster than is clearly reasonable? And THEN using these heavily deflated times to justify how "fast" it is to master marksmanship.

its not exactly a exploit. Its actually quite simple. Its similar to ppl using giant beetles on Ahazi for their tank while they take shots at it to get experience. I am watching ppl take out complete Night Sister clans without any downtime. Just b/c you dont know the method doesnt mean I will post it here. A little thought process into it makes it so much easier. And if I had really wanted to talk about getting up Explor and Hunting I could ask how many people used the MASK SCENT bug to get their novice BH fast. I am sure a significant number of CH's and BH's used that bug to get where they are now. But this is nothing like that. And to top it off you can use the method I know of to get up the entire BH tree(except investigation) in no time at all. So yes I can make a comparison to both BH and pistoleer here b/c both use the same methods.

Lets get back to the main issue here.

Is anyone against letting MASTER Pistoleers get a pistol cert @ the Master level?