Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why do pistoleers compare themselves to BHs?
And that's exactly the point! Why didn't you get to chose whether to spend those points in scouting? BECAUSE THE ABILITY TO TRACK DOWN AND FIND YOUR TARGETS IS HALF OF WHAT MAKES YOU A BOUNTY HUNTER!!!!! Look at the amount of actual skill points you've spent in pistol combat skills, and you will see that a pistoleer will have spent a lot more than you. so why in hell do you think you should be able to outgun a pistoleer with a pistol? Now that is using your same arguement about the use of skill points.
BarneyIX wrote:
No matter how many times you say it, and no matter how clear it is these guys will NEVER get it.
We did NOT get to choose to spend those skill points in Scout. We were forced to. A master Pistoleer only has to master ONE thing to become a Master Pistoleer and thats the Pistoleer tree.
BarneyIX wrote:
Skill points are worth FAR more than XP. There really is no other way to look at it.
You can always get more XP you can NEVER get more than 250 Skill points. Their argument about we have to spend 3.blah blah XP where as BH Pistol IV only had to spend 1.2million.
Yes, and why again are there even skill points in the game? To limit the strength of player characters (ie. to limit how many professions one can master and how many skills/abilities one character can get).
BarneyIX wrote:
I guess in thier minds that means they should be AT LEAST 3 times as good with a pistol as us because the spent more Pistol XP.
Huh, I never thought of it that way...maybe you're onto something! Since experience points effectively represents amount of time used working with a certain skill/weapon, then yes by that understanding pistoleers should be that much better with a pistol than a BH. Thanks for pointing that out.
Spekao
Pffft, I can kill a master BH any place anytime. Compare? What is there to compare?
Pistoleer>BH
All BH's have that pistoleers don't that matters is eye shot. Nothing some of my drinks can't handle.
I was going to point out all the holes in your arguments and try once again to enlighten you, but i see now that it's useless.
Gonzogoler, Barney, you are both complete and utter idiots, incapable of grasping even the most basic logic.
Gonzologer wrote:
You people know nothing about star wars, and you have certainly shown here that you do not care if this game even remotely resembles it.
And you've shown that you know about Star Wars either. All you've shown is your over-exaggerated lust for a single archetype of the Star Wars galaxy, and fail to accept anything aside from your own narrow-minded delusions of what YOU perceive to be the only reason for the Star Wars galaxy to even exist.
You want nothing more than for Bounty Hunters to rule all, but guess what...even in those movies you mentioned and all the books you "claim" to have read - Bounty Hunters did NOT rule the galaxies nor did they overpower everyone else. The Star Wars galaxy did not consist of only Bounty Hunters and everyone else that they could easily wipe out. So before you make claims that no one else knows anything about Star Wars, or cares if the game resembles it, maybe YOU should take your blinders off, remove your heard from your rear, and try looking at the WHOLE picture/ entire galaxy instead of your wet dream of what you believe the Bounty Hunter should be here.
Spekao
Hey kaeg,
First off thanks for the complement. Second I dont even REMEMBER any remarkable Pistoleers.
I do remember several remarkable BH though.
I love the fact that Pistoleers completely IGNORE the fact that we have to Sacrifice our ability to diversify where they still have that ability. If it cost 217 skill points to become a Master Pistoleer then I would have no problems with them "Owning" us.
I dont want to be "uber". I dont want Pistoleer to be "nerfed".
I have asked this b4 but which BH pistol skill "Owns" you all soo much that you felt you had to say you were not at least a BH equal with a Pistol?
BarneyIX BH
Gonzologer, it appears by your posting that you are a completly stupid newbie who was too stupid to open his SWG box. You have to pull the tab OUT of the top, allowing the game to come out. Someone else will have to explain how to install it for you though, because dealing with someone as retarted as you for 30 seconds is my good deed of the day.
On a more serious note, Gonzo is a crybaby who can't post under his own forums, and it doesn't cost 92 farking points to match bounty-hunter, it costs 247 (beam line of commando, master pistoleer, master carbineer), so quit crying to us about it.
Bounty hunters have 16 boxes filled of pistol skill bonus's, 16 boxes filled with carbine skill bonus's, and 10 boxes filled with LLC bonus's.
Pistoleers have 23 boxes filled with pistol skills... why the fark do you think pistoleers are better with pistols than bounty hunters?
"Kaeg, i thought i addressed all your arguments before. Blah Blah Blah. Your profession can be acquired and mastered in a day."
-By that same time-table, BH can be mastered in 36 hours. You are stright up BSing if you think pistoleer can be mastered in a day, your pathetic lies do nothing but point out to everyone how stupid you are.
"Obviously the bh should have more dmg capabilities because it gets no defense and, for god's sake, HE'S A BOUNTY HUNTER."
-So what? He's a bounty-hunter, I'm a pistoleer, skilled in the art of using a pistol to bring swift death to my enemies. Bounty hunters are trained in tracking their pray down, survival skills (like camping), and killing/capturing their pray. You aren't even a pure combat class! So stop trying to be Jengo Fett you newbie.
"You're all very strange people"
-And you are a one-trick dip**edit** newbie who obviously has his balls rammed so far up his ass that you can see them poping out of his nose, but we don't bitch about it.
"but i'm not going to be griefed by some flava-of-the-month noob"
-Actually pistoleer costs more pistol XP than BH, so it is more likely that you get griefed by a BH 'bounty-pistols 4' noob. Oh, and you need to open the game box and install the game before anyone can grief you.
"So, this pistolguy is expected to kill a hiredassassin, a person that kills people for a living"
-**edit** do you think pistoleers do? Pistoleers kill people for a living, BH are NOT pure combat, deal with it, go cry to your Team Leader about it, go suck your thumb or whine to your mother, I don't give a fark what you do about it, that's the facts of life.
"Maybe, you should consider the amount of time it takes to become a bh and pistoleer and then comment."
-I'm a hybred pistoller/BH and I can tell you that the pistoleer part takes longer than all of the bounty hunter parts except for the investigation, and that doesn't help combat.
"Gloria, ur trying to compare this game to real-life. In the sw universe the bh is not actually a bh, but he is an assassin. Nice try though. Next argument."
-Ummm, Gonzo, you are soooo stupid. A bounty hunter in the star wars universe IS a BOUNTY HUNTER. NOT an assassin. If they were assassins then they would be CALLED assassins. Also if you will notice in the bounty-hunter universe they are asked to bring people in alive. How many assassins perfer to bring their pray in alive? Oh, and you are not an assassin, you are a bounty-hunter, because you are obviously confused on that issue.
"you just want to be uber"
-Didn't you just say BH should own all... and you are telling other people this? What a dip**edit**.
"but yes since it is the most demanding combat-related profession devoted to one vs. one combat"
-Its completly devoted to 1 on 1 combat... so camping comes in where again? You are aware that you have to learn how to camp to be a BH, which most people don't consider to be a combat-skill. Oh wait, I forgot, BH ARE NOT completly devoted to combat.
"bh can kill you has thrown my profession into nerfdom"
-Knockdown was nerfed, NOT BH. And it was everyone who was crying about knockdown because it was an instant 'I-Win' card that unbalances the game. I wouldn't be too surprised if Holo came and read this thread and granted us an insta-kill shot just as payment for having to deal with half-wits like you Gonzo.
"I can't do missions because of the bugs that have occured since they tried to "fix" my profession"
-I might suggest posting this on the BH board, as it is not a pistoleer issue.
"BH ARE out of your league"
-and an IQ of over 70 is out of YOUR league.
"I don't care how powerful u are honestly; I just want to be able to be a bh"
-Then why did you post in the first place? Christ, I hope stupidity as bad as yours is not contagious.
"sorry for typos"
-We all typo, but the things that are typo'd in your posts are the most intellegent things I've heard from you... simply because not being able to understand at all sends a better message than crying like a little baby.
"We did NOT get to choose to spend those skill points in Scout. We were forced to. A master Pistoleer only has to master ONE thing to become a Master Pistoleer and thats the Pistoleer tree."
- I didn't choose to spend points in basic marksmen, but the game wouldn't let me just spend it in master marksmen and skip all the pre-reqs, does that mean that this is wrong? No, that means that the pre-reqs are PART OF YOUR CLASS, and if you have non-combat pre-reqs, then that probebly means that your class isn't a pure combat class.
"You people know nothing about star wars, and you have certainly shown here that you do not care if this game even remotely resembles it. "
-When you loose an argument it isn't reasonable to just say 'you guys don't know anything about star wars, I'm right, you're wrong, so there *sticks tongue out*' that's just immature and stupid. Go cry somewhere else.
Dego, thanks. keep up the good work.
I grasp what you monkeys keep spitting out. I even alluded to them in my title post, but i refuse to comment on them. They are that old.
"We are masters of that.....blah blah" "Look at the tree, we should own you in combat." I've heard these before. Thanks though.
What holes are in my argument. Bounty Hunters were feared for their combate abilities in star wars; the only pistoleer equivalent i saw in star wars were those guys in the begining of episode 4.
Let me put it to you this way:
Bounty Hunters spend almost all their skill pts on this profession. Pistoleers can be any number combinations. On those grounds and basing a confrontation solely on the skills that should be given to a master bh and pistol guy, a bh should beat a pistol guy easy.
You might say," But look at the tree, man, i've got so much more training than you, and you spent half..blah blah." That's nice, but the way I look at it is that scouting was a right of passage. Quite frankly I don't know why they made us do it.
You see I don't make my decissions on what my character is gona be based on uber potential. I don't even care. I go by identity.
But, when i see something that is way off as far as accuracy in the star wars universe, I get ticked. And when people start wanting to own bh because they mastered an easy-as-hell profession, I laugh, but when these same people whale and moan untill they ruin another profession, i get pissed.
You know when I first found out that PISTOLEERS were whining about not being able to own bh, I nearly laughed myself into tears. As I said earlier, one of my tailors is a pistoleer, and the thought of a taylor even coming close to going toe to toe with a bh is so humorous to any one familiar with the universe that your arguments can't be taken seriously.
So, yes, im sorry if i was ignoring you, poor fellow; I'll try not to do it again.
Xetal, thanks again for your input.
Your point is well taken.
One suggestion to help you spice up your flame?
Go back to tech school and learn more jokes please. Thanks.
BarneyIX wrote:
Hey kaeg,
First off thanks for the complement.
Believe me, it wasn't a compliment...it was a sarcastic remark. I don't go around complimenting obvious board trolls.
BarneyIX wrote:
I love the fact that Pistoleers completely IGNORE the fact that we have to Sacrifice our ability to diversify where they still have that ability. If it cost 217 skill points to become a Master Pistoleer then I would have no problems with them "Owning" us.
There again is the major BH misconception. You do not "Sacrifice" anything to becoming a BH. Once again: THE MASTER SCOUT REQUIREMENT FOR BECOMING BOUNTY HUNTER IS PART OF WHAT MAKES YOU A BOUNTY HUNTER!!! The Bounty Hunter profession is not combat orientated only profession. Half of what make someone a Bounty Hunter is the ability to investigate and hunt down their marks/targets. I love the fact that Bouny Hunters IGNORE the fact that only half their profession is combat orientated and feel that HALF of what their profession is doesn't seem to exist to them.
BarneyIX wrote:
I dont want to be "uber". I dont want Pistoleer to be "nerfed".
I have asked this b4 but which BH pistol skill "Owns" you all soo much that you felt you had to say you were not at least a BH equal with a Pistol?
And again, several examples had been listed for you in the beginning of this thread, yet you never once responded or even acknowleged them. You did not come here to find an answer, you came here with the sole purpose to troll these boards - this has been proven several times by your ignoring any responses that actually try and answer your "question" and only responding to the flames that have ensued.
Spekao
Ok Gonzo, I agree with you now. Your logic is truly flawless. By your standards since BH's "have" to spend skill points on master scout and master marksman to attain BH tree and since BH's spend so many more skill points then pistoleers BH should own all the time everytime. Ok, let's run with this thought. I guess then since a master pistoleer/CH/Doctor not only spends more skill points than BH's but also spends pistol experience points in to the millions, dwarfing BH's actual weapon experince requirements. Your argument makes perfect sense to me now and if the devs follow up on your logic we'll be seeing a new pistoleer skill, /planetshot.
Most ppl just want to see a more balanced playing field as far as pvp goes, but this argument that all BH's are as good as Boba Fett is banth poodoo.
"Keep on groovin!" - Some little yellow sticker I found
Gonzologer wrote:
Let me put it to you this way:
Bounty Hunters spend almost all their skill pts on this profession. Pistoleers can be any number combinations. On those grounds and basing a confrontation solely on the skills that should be given to a master bh and pistol guy, a bh should beat a pistol guy easy.
You might say," But look at the tree, man, i've got so much more training than you, and you spent half..blah blah." That's nice, but the way I look at it is that scouting was a right of passage. Quite frankly I don't know why they made us do it.
Again, SKILL POINTS SPENT ARE NOT A MEASURE OF THE SOLE POWER OF A PROFESSION!! Skill points are there to limit the ultimate power of all players. Why do you think they made BH use so much skill points? Because they already master 2 professions before becoming a novice BH. Do you seriously think that the BH should be the only profession that can master more than 1 or 2 professions?
Secondly, and once again (and more than likely will be even more since you can't seem to grasp it): COMBAT IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT MAKES UP THE BOUNTY HUNTER PROFESSION, SCOUTING/TRACKING/HUNTING DOWN YOUR MARK/TARGET/PREY IS THE OTHER HALF!!! Why can't you seem to grasp that? You seriously think that these bounty hunters you have your wet dreams about just magically knew where to find their targets? No, they had to use SKILLS related to tracking and hunting to find them. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
Yes, but you've made that decission and assumption off of what you and a few others who have grandized the bounty hunter profession in the ENTIRE SCHEME of the Star Wars galaxy from a few main characters/"Heroes" of movies and books...not necessarily the general and/or majority of those ever in the Bounty Hunter profession.
Gonzologer wrote:
You see I don't make my decissions on what my character is gona be based on uber potential. I don't even care. I go by identity.
But, when i see something that is way off as far as accuracy in the star wars universe, I get ticked. And when people start wanting to own bh because they mastered an easy-as-hell profession, I laugh, but when these same people whale and moan untill they ruin another profession, i get pissed.
Gonzologer wrote:
You know when I first found out that PISTOLEERS were whining about not being able to own bh, I nearly laughed myself into tears. As I said earlier, one of my tailors is a pistoleer, and the thought of a taylor even coming close to going toe to toe with a bh is so humorous to any one familiar with the universe that your arguments can't be taken seriously.
And yet you take what others with the same delusions of grandeur based off a very "few" elite members of the bounty hunter profession in a few of the books and movies, instead of actually researching and seeing whether it was true. Pistoleers were not asking for BH to be nerfed. Oiatoleers were asking to be slightly better than BH in regards to the use of the pistol - nothing more, nothing less. It was BH's like yourself, who claim that for some reason bounty hunters actually ran the Star Wars galaxy, and only appearantly only "let" the emperor believe he had some power and authority, that blew it all out of proportion and made it look as if pitsoleers were calling for a BH nerf.
Spekao