Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why do pistoleers compare themselves to BHs?
Smugglerflux, i was reasserting my point to some one who did not understand. Redundant?
It seems by most of your arguments, that u do not care about the game; you just want to be uber. And, that's ok I guess.
Smuggler,
I didn't say that bh should lay waste to the universe, but yes since it is the most demanding combat-related profession devoted to one vs. one combat, you should not challenge one to a duel unless you have crazy pets. I'm not a pvp kind of player. I don't run around looking for fights. I'm practicly neutral.
So the pvp aspect of the game does not affect me, but your constant whining and whimpering about how bh can kill you has thrown my profession into nerfdom. Because of people like you, shirkers who like to be uber without working at it, my profession is the crapiest profession ever. I can't do missions because of the bugs that have occured since they tried to "fix" my profession.
I ask you, be reasonable, and compare yourselves to tk, riflemen, carbineers and fencers. Commandos and BH ARE out of your league. I'm not saying you can't beat them; you have a chance. You just have to use pets and such.
I like to play as a bounty hunter; its a profession with an identity. I also have another character that is working to become a de. I don't care how powerful u are honestly; I just want to be able to be a bh.
Gonzologer wrote:
Smuggler,
I didn't say that bh should lay waste to the universe, but yes since it is the most demanding combat-related profession devoted to one vs. one combat, you should not challenge one to a duel unless you have crazy pets. I'm not a pvp kind of player. I don't run around looking for fights. I'm practicly neutral.
So the pvp aspect of the game does not affect me, but your constant whining and whimpering about how bh can kill you has thrown my profession into nerfdom. Because of people like you, shirkers who like to be uber without working at it, my profession is the crapiest profession ever. I can't do missions because of the bugs that have occured since they tried to "fix" my profession.
I ask you, be reasonable, and compare yourselves to tk, riflemen, carbineers and fencers. Commandos and BH ARE out of your league. I'm not saying you can't beat them; you have a chance. You just have to use pets and such.
I like to play as a bounty hunter; its a profession with an identity. I also have another character that is working to become a de. I don't care how powerful u are honestly; I just want to be able to be a bh.
Should a BH be able to beat a pistoleer 1 v 1 with a pistol? No. Should a BH be able to beat a carbineer with a carbine 1 v 1? No. Should a BH be able to beat a Rifleman with a rifle 1 v 1? No. How do I come to this assumption you ask? Two reasons:
1.) BH get training in each of the three different weapon types mentioned above. Thus, if they are going to fight a pistoleer, they can and should use either carbine or rifle; if they're going to fight a carbineer, they should use either pistol or rifle; if they're going to fight a rifleman, they should use either carbine or pistol. The one big plus a BH has going for them is their ability to adapt to the different combat situations with the adept use of several different weapon types.
2.)Should someone who splits their time training between three different weapon types and investigation skills be better at each of those weapons than someone who devotes their training solely on one singular weapon tpye? No, not at all. Skill points are only int he game to limit the players from becoming masters in all professions - period. You want to compare combat ability, look at the experience points spent in the weapon types. The elite combat professions (pistoleer, carbineer and rifleman) spend a lot more experience points on the training for the use of their singular weapon than BH do on the same weapon type. Hence, they should be better at that singular weapon type than a profession that splits it's training and experience points between three different weapon types.
One last point I want to make is this: Why do most BH's that come on the boards and complain about pistoleers and other combat elite professions only talk about the combat aspect of their class? That is only HALF of what the BH profession is. Remember, to become a BH you need to master the scout profession and to become a master BH you have to master a skill line that relates to the same type of skills - investigating and tracking down your targets. So again, why should BH even be considering themselves to supposedlydesigned to be the "masters" of combat when combat is basically only half of what their profession is about and trained for? Too many BH want to focus on only the combat part, and try using that as a reason for them to be able to "beat anyone they come into opposition to" - but what about the other half of your training? Without it you wouldn't be a BH, you just be a master marksman.
The only thing I've seen pistoleers askign for is to be better at a single weapon than everyone else - the pistol. As for why the other elite combat classes aren't wanting the same I can't even guess at. If they truely aren't wanting similar then i feel sorry for them, because these forums are for making suggestions about improving their respective professions. And maybe they are, I don't visit other class boards and troll like a few other people seem to enjoy doing. My concern is with bettering my profession - which is what this pistoleer forum is for afterall. If you really want to discuss and compaign for other professions, then I urge you to go their respective forums and fight the good fight there since it truely doesn't even belong here.
Spekao
I don't get it. Why do bouny hunters think they should be more powerful than other combat classes?
A pistoleer SHOULD be a match for a bounty hunter. Why? Because he devotes JUST AS MUCH time to combat as the bounty hunter. Bounty hunters should be better at tracking someone down than a pistoleer, but in combat they should be about equal.
Let me put this in the most simple language i can:Bounty hunters are NOT combat specialists. Bounty hunters are hunting specialists. That means they're experts at finding their prey.Jango Fett and Boba Fett werethe exceptions, not the rule. Remember Greedo? Han Solo, who was at least partially a pistoleer, blew him away with ease.
In terms of general PvEpower,bounty hunters should be on par with all otherpure combat class except commandos, who i believe should probably be the most powerful in the PvE environment.
Murat Rais, Corsair Extraordinaire
My point was not all Bounty Hunters should be "gods of combats", they should have to be smart. They shouldn't be able to pick and choose which weapon they dominate with, they should have to dominate with all of them or not dominate at all. Yes, a BH should be fairly easily kill a pistoleer or any other combat profession. Just not with that professions weapon of choice. Personally, I think our stat mods are ok as is, maybe our speed and accuracy should be brought up to the same as a BHs (if both of them are lagging).
Right now, our knockdown specials need to be nerfed ( well, knockdown still needs to be FIXED), and pretty much every other special we have needs fixed, and then all will be well, as far as I'm concerned at least.
Kaeg, i thought i addressed all your arguments before. Blah Blah Blah. Your profession can be acquired and mastered in a day.
Anywho, The argument that a pistoleer should beat a bh in pistol is quite lame. It depends on the lvl of player and what weapon and resist they have. Obviously the bh should have more dmg capabilities because it gets no defense and, for god's sake, HE'S A BOUNTY HUNTER.
I don't want to hear about buba was one man argument either. Have you read tales from bounty hunters? All of the bh in that book were feared. Not just because they could find you, but because they were dangerous in combat. The imps aboard darth's ship didnt mess with them. They made a snide comment and then as soon as one of the bhturned to look at them the made gulping sounds. So your assertion that bh were are weak in the star wars univers is officially put down.
Gonzologer wrote:
Kaeg, i thought i addressed all your arguments before. Blah Blah Blah. Your profession can be acquired and mastered in a day.
Anywho, The argument that a pistoleer should beat a bh in pistol is quite lame. It depends on the lvl of player and what weapon and resist they have. Obviously the bh should have more dmg capabilities because it gets no defense and, for god's sake, HE'S A BOUNTY HUNTER.
I don't want to hear about buba was one man argument either. Have you read tales from bounty hunters? All of the bh in that book were feared. Not just because they could find you, but because they were dangerous in combat. The imps aboard darth's ship didnt mess with them. They made a snide comment and then as soon as one of the bhturned to look at them the made gulping sounds. So your assertion that bh were are weak in the star wars univers is officially put down.
And then your entire "arguement" is weak. Again, you are trying to base your class off of combat only. Sure, if BH only needed combat classes mastered to become novice BH then I'd agree. But you only need master marksman (which traines you in three different weapon types) and master scout. Why can't you just accept that BH are NOT supposed to be the end all of combat?
Again so you can try to comprehend it: COMBAT IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT MAKES A BOUNTY HUNTER. Commando reqs are all combat skills. Thus, yes they should be better at combat than all other classes. But to sit here and claim a BH who needs in essence LESS training in a pistol than a pistoleer should be able to beat said pistoleer in combat using a pistol is just purely ignorant.
Again, Yes a BH should be able to beat a pistoleer 98% of the time in combat, but only if they're using a different weapon type than a pistol. If the BH wants to duel a pistoleer with a pistoleer, then he should have significantly less chance of beating the pistoleer due to less training in that weapon - end of story.
Sowhat the hell does it matter how soon a profession can be acquired and mastered? Now you're trying to use game mechanics based off a skill point method added for the sole purpose of limiting class mastering instead of the "Illusions of Grander" (as so perfectly out by a previous poster) of what you envision a BH as being?
And sorry, but no you didn't address any of the points I made in any of your previously posted "one-line, turning a blind eye to anything anyone has to say that is opposite of whatI believe and not even attempting to support any of my claims becauseI really have no basis for them aside from my narrow-minded delusions of what this class should be" retorts to anyone elses posted responses.
If you do have a valid arguement, aside from what ever you think you may have picked up in the books and movies, then please try and use them instead of just saying "No, I don't want or think it should be like so it shouldn't, because I don't like it or want it that way."
Spekao
Gonzologer,
No matter how many times you say it, and no matter how clear it is these guys will NEVER get it.
We did NOT get to choose to spend those skill points in Scout. We were forced to. A master Pistoleer only has to master ONE thing to become a Master Pistoleer and thats the Pistoleer tree.
Skill points are worth FAR more than XP. There really is no other way to look at it.
You can always get more XP you can NEVER get more than 250 Skill points. Their argument about we have to spend 3.blah blah XP where as BH Pistol IV only had to spend 1.2million.
I guess in thier minds that means they should be AT LEAST 3 times as good with a pistol as us because the spent more Pistol XP.
To me it just doesnt make sense.
BarneyIX BH
Gonzologer wrote:
Anywho, The argument that a pistoleer should beat a bh in pistol is quite lame. It depends on the lvl of player and what weapon and resist they have. Obviously the bh should have more dmg capabilities because it gets no defense and, for god's sake, HE'S A BOUNTY HUNTER.
Oh and I forgot to add: Nice way of showing your hipocracy on the subject.
So the belief that a pistoleer, who by definition is a master at the use of a pistol, should be better at a pistol than a BH is lame, yet the assumption that just because someone is a BH they should be able to beat anyone else isn't? Where the hell did you learn your logic, preschool?
Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too here kid.
Spekao
Kaeg,
Bud, this isn't logic. This game is based on a fictional universe. How is that logic?
Example of a pistoleer can be found in episode 4, scene one: The stormtroopers lay waste to them.
Example of a bh can be found in episode 2: A jedi has problems taking a bh down.