Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Pistoleers complaining...
I don't think Pistoleers are weak, speaking as one. However, I'd like to make 2 points:
1) Weakest class or strongest class, if 90% of your specials are broken (ie they don't do anything)they need to be fixed.
2) The minute people start saying "Pistoleers are a great class! Why, with just Pistoleer + Dirty Fighting, or with Pistoleer and Bounty Pistol 4, I made Darth Vader wet his pants! Stop complaining!" they lose all credibility in any Pistoleer discussion. Bounty Pistol and Dirty Fighting have nothing to do with Pistoleer. You can not use examples from two lines totally outside of aprofession treeto say something about that profession! Its as worthless as saying DE are overpowered in combat when they are also Master CHs.
If you are going to make an assessment of Pistoleer either way, please keep these two things in mind.
You missed my point. I am saying that if you Combo fighting classes of course your going to be uber powerful in PvP. I am saying that if you don't do it you won't be. What I am seeing on this page is Pistoleers saying that Because Rifleman has a similar speed that the game is screwed up, are you telling me an Assault rifle should be slower then a Hand gun? Rifles are not slow. We have slow speeds on them, but we can counteract that !AT MASTER LEVEL! What I am saying is that in order for a pistoleer to be good in PvP he has to combine it with other classes, so stop using PvP as an excuse to Nerf Riflemen/Improve Pistoleer because I have to combine classes to do it too. I cannot just go pvp as a plain rifleman and expect much. I agree if your specials are broken they should be fixed I am not saying pistoleer is fine how it is, but I am saying that other then your specials you need not say Riflemen have to be slowed down. I have heard they are thinking of making us cap at a 3 speed instead of 1 like everyone else.... Combine that with my specials and anything I do is going to take 3 - 4 seconds per shot, combine that with my -90 accuracy at close range... I can never Duel anyone if this happens. Dueling requires consent now what Pistoleer is going to consent to a duel standing at 64m? so now we start dueling he takes about 3 shots and I am about to get my second shot.... Are you noticing how this doesn't work anymore? Providing I even hit with my first shot it's already almost over. I am sick of people Bashing the Rilfeman... have you ever Been one, do you even care? I do not Duel as I lose as it is right now, to many KD moves on you Combo pistoleers, Plus as a BH you get Eye shot which does Mind pool damage. Lay off rifleman. Stop using our profession as a source for your complaints. Don't bother comparing Us to you. It is close as it is now, I am fine with it, we have many Broken attacks as well as you do I hope they can fix our calsses in a prompt manner, but I simply will not let anyone say that we need to be slowed down , it's a really unfounded to make that complaint.
Yes I am a pistoleer also, so don't say I am ignorant of your class, considering I am a Pistoleer Rifleman SMuggler, I know what we are going through But I am a rifleman first on all accounts. I took Pistols as a side arm for when the bad guys get in closer then 35m. but I still don't PvP, I am sure I'd be good at it, but I really hate all the people who get killed and then start screaming Nerf because they lost. If all you can do is be negative then maybe you should take a step back and consider how to improve your class and not destroy others.
My thoughts on Pistoleer, Fix Multi taget shot, Give us More pistols, Give us a Working AP1 Pistol. Make disarm shot work! Disarm them, put their gun in their Inv if you have to but make it work!
I have dueled three Master Pistoleers using only Pistoleer moves and I cannot beat them with Master Carbineer. Crippleshot fires about once every 2.5 seconds, and I have a 2.3 speed Laser Carbine with +60 carbine speed and I still lose. Charge Shot only works about one time usually, although every once in a while I can spam it and people will KD over and over, but it drains my action in such a way that one shot will kill me.
I'm on my way to Master Pistoleer and so far, it's much, much better than carbineer.
Carbine is GREAT if you have the skillpoints for BH Carbine 3. Now I understand that both Pistol and Carbine are much, much better with either the BH trees or the smuggler's Dirty Fighting line, but as for Master Pistoleer with NO BH or smuggler and master Carbineer with NO BH, the Pistoleer will win 7/8 times.
I have beat a Master Rifleman using Advanced Strafe ONCE, and do you know why? Because he just happened to get a BAD shot that only did 400 damage to my mind, and because his next shot I actually COUNTER ATTACKED for once. That is one of the six times I have counterattacked in PVP since I hit master. I have, what is it, +120 Counterattack?
I don't really have a problem with pistoleers wanting their class fixed, but when I constantly hear Pistoleers screaming that they suck it makes me want to puke. Pistoleer is NOT that bad off, at least it doesn't cost you 200 action to shoot half your moves. It cost 35 to 80 for a pistol, it takes me five shots to drain my 900 action to 80 or so, and I have my strength and quickness quite high. We can't live without buffs.
"I have a friend that used Fan shot with a Krayt FWG5 slices for speed and a Pup and he did 9k damage in PvE."
Why do I find that insanely hard to believe since it is almost impossible to even hit 2k with Fan Shot. Unless that is a Krayt FWG5 that has stats like a Sliced Flamethrower, I dont believe it at all.
Leomi wrote:
Wolvenkind said:
"I have a friend that used Fan shot with a Krayt FWG5 slices for speed and a Pup and he did 9k damage in PvE."
Why do I find that insanely hard to believe since it is almost impossible to even hit 2k with Fan Shot. Unless that is a Krayt FWG5 that has stats like a Sliced Flamethrower, I dont believe it at all.
As a MG using a Prepatch non-krayt pistol, 2k was not rare for me. Using Krayted FWG5 I could Fanshot for 3-4k. You might as well say Fanshot has a 5 second cap.
and your also making the mistake of putting dabblers into "pistoleer" its the same mistake that gets most proffs nerfed for little reason......its what got the FWG5 nerfed.
a straight out pistoleer is not the best combat class int he game....far from it. It's decent, but certainly nowhere near overpowered.
a pistoleer dabbling BH or Smuggler is not a pistoleer. He is a pistol user with multipel profficiencies. Dont come on here and start whining about pistoleers and then give examples of people with multiple pistol lines. Im a master SL who uses pistoleer. I cant outshoot a BH (most of the time), or a dabbler...unless he isnt as seasoned as I am or I get lucky. I win a lot....but it isnt due to pistoleer being anyhting really powerful.
Genrader wrote:Alright, I know pistoleers think they're underpowered and weak, but currently you're decently evened out with Rifleman, especially if you have at least Panic Shot in the DF tree. I'm picking up Pistoleer because I finally mastered Carbineer, only to find out it blows totally. Carbineer is the absolute, WORST CLASS IN THIS ENTIRE GAME WHEN IT COME TO COMBAT. No class is that bad. I can solo 4k mobs BARELY, I cannot win in PVP often, any BH with just BH carbine 3 completely owns me.
As a pistoleer that is now 0-0-3-1, I am already almost as good as a Master Carbineer. I shoot faster, I hit almost as often, and I do nearly the same amount of damage with a knockdown that actually keeps someone down for more than 1 second.
So untill Carbineer is fixed, I want pistoleers to be quiet. You are NOT NEARLY that bad. Stopping shot and Fanshot are awesome at Master Pistoleer, I've tested them out myself on another's account.
IMO here are the three classes in order:
Rifleman > Pistoleer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carbineer
With Dirty Fighting...
Pistoleer > Rifleman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carbineer
I wouldn't know who is better, a pistoleer or a carbineer because I've never dueled them. I will say that a pistoleer with BH skills completely owens rilfmen in duels.
Genrader and others,
I'm not going to get into this debate ... the bottom line is that Pistoleers and Carbineers are BOTH screwed right now. Our trees are full of broken specials, and we both have profession-wide issues that are being ignored. Riflemen are far more powerful than either of us.
In SOJ's absence I have made some posts in Correspondent Forum to help out Carbineers, as have the BH and Marksman Correspondents. I support fixes to Carbineer, and I'm sure everyone on this forum does too. But just recognize that we've gotten the shaft, just as you have. Don't tell us to become BHs and Smugglers -- we shouldn't have to get a working profession just to use our own profession. It's like telling Carbineers to become BHs ... Carbineer and Pistoleer should work on their own, without getting BH (or Smuggler).
I don't think the specifics of your post are right -- Carbineer is much better than you're making it out to be, and I've played Carbineer as well. (Thaink ChargeShot1 for instance. 
) But there are Carbineer problems, and you're looking at the wrong target if you want to point the finger at us Pistoleers. Right now we should be working together to get BOTH of us fixed.
Philosopher1976 wrote:
Genrader and others,
I'm not going to get into this debate ... the bottom line is that Pistoleers and Carbineers are BOTH screwed right now. Our trees are full of broken specials, and we both have profession-wide issues that are being ignored. Riflemen are far more powerful than either of us.
In SOJ's absence I have made some posts in Correspondent Forum to help out Carbineers, as have the BH and Marksman Correspondents. I support fixes to Carbineer, and I'm sure everyone on this forum does too. But just recognize that we've gotten the shaft, just as you have. Don't tell us to become BHs and Smugglers -- we shouldn't have to get a working profession just to use our own profession. It's like telling Carbineers to become BHs ... Carbineer and Pistoleer should work on their own, without getting BH (or Smuggler).
I don't think the specifics of your post are right -- Carbineer is much better than you're making it out to be, and I've played Carbineer as well. (Thaink ChargeShot1 for instance.
Rifle is no walk in the park, as you seem to think it is. The only thing wrong with Pistoleer is the broken specials and now the inadequate FWG5. Rifleman are more powerful, but haven't always been and now that Pistoleers aren't more powerful than others they must insist on other professions being moved "in line(below)" Pistoleer.
I disagree that rifleman are more powerful than Carbineers, I've seen a Carbineer dish out more damage than I could ever do and from healable pools. I realize Pistol specials have been broken since release (I think it was? Was my starting profession and I can't even remember) but you have alot of good shots to compensate for many broken ones. Bitch about Disarming 1 and 2 all you want, but even if they made them do something they would be absolutely worthless. Carbineer and Pistoleer work on their own, in my experiencec just fine, just don't bitch because you can't kill when you don't want to pickup another profession.
As a Pistoleer I could solo DJM's, I might even still have the screenshots of it, I camped the spawn right before I surrendered Pistoleer ( I just JUSTa Pistoleer using my 244 damage FWG5). Fanshot was the best and was the shot I used on it. So please work together and get Rifles "fixed" frankly T21's do way too much damage, and at only 400 mind per Headshot3 there isn't much I can't destory.
After playing Pistoleer and Rifleman I have come to the conclusion that while Pistoleers aren't the most efficient killers like they want to be they have short downtime, where as Rifleman are more efficient at killing but have a longer downtime, if that makes sense. I spend about 100k a week in food and drink just so I can spam my specials otherwise it's 2 headshot3's, peace, sit, wait.
If you think about it Pistoleers will be getting some love next patch, just about every creature is being toned down armor and resist-wise. Look at creatures on TC, most of themhave no armor now, and much much lower resists. This will take some of the definition away from Rifleman and Carbineers as well who both have ar2 pierce weapons.
Flame on.
To whom it may concern,
Carbineer is a great class. Please, for the love of baby Jeebus, do not complain because you can't play your class correctly.
I was told to master it by the powers that be.(Holocron) I did, and its great. AP2, nice AP1 weapons, state effects, ranged KD, (infinity at that ).I've always favored burstshot 2 over cripple, but thats just me. My current laser rifle is at 1.8 speed.(crappy slice)I'm spamming burstshot 2 at one second, and cripple every 2 seconds. Mind you this is an AP2 weapon.
A carbineer would destroy a pure pistoleer, if he plays his cards correctly.All the carbineer needs is his tat sunburn and nov medic. How can anyone go on the offensive if all you do is knock him down? They can't. They must heal themselves untill they drain their mind. And a simple scattershot will do the rest.
Once again, I've mastered both professions, and I know the pros and cons of both. Carbineer has one con, HAM. They get a 6.5 dmg modifier,and all the other goodies one could imagine.
Pistoleer's con is lack of damage,AP0/ AP1 (just recently added one that works),no ranged KD,no state effects and on top of it all, can't spam the highest damage special they have at one second.(Just like carbineers). What pro's do pistoleers have?Speed? No. Rifleman can spam their highest specials faster than we can spam ours. HAM? Well, AP0 weapons require so much spamage, that HAM isn't even on our side anymore.
So in conclusion, please learn how to play your class right before you post on the forums, newbie.
Also, being a carbineer now (Till pistoleer gets fixed) the ONLY gripesI would have is
WHY-IS-RIFLEMAN-FASTER-THAN-CARBINEER
and
slightly better weapons
Thats the only two issues I currently have with carbineer.-DP
Genrader, I couldn't help but notice your *Sig.
Perhaps it might be best to stop dicking around and concentrate on something that may improve your basic carbines use. The only other option I foresee is for you to go up the BH carbine tree yourself, you have that option you know, right?
As a Carbineer even at mastery, you can easily cap your speed mod and accuracy by doing so, and have these amazing attacks for your use added to your repertoire. I would warn you, though, that the Fire Knockdown that you are referring to is hardly effective in PvP, but perhaps it's better if you learned that yourself.
Your problem is that your skills are applied over way too many novices. Make a hard decision, and pursue maybe a second mastery even. Perhaps go master Creature Handler, I'm sure you would be quite effective going that route. Certainly carbines are useful to the CH inventory, so go for it.
Perhaps even Combat Medic, those skills are terrific.
The fact is, you have options. If you use them wisely, you will be very much more effective in combat than you are currently.