Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Pistoleers complaining...
PhantomSnipa wrote:
Why do you keep on using pre nerfed FWG5'S as an example, if your gonna talk about pistoleers talk about the pistoleers only certified weapon the Dx2. The only way a Pistoleer has a chance to take on something big is to Master Another Profession or Dabble in something else. The only thing that keeps me alive is my Master Doctors ability to buff my stats. Instead of the title Master Gunfighter it really outta be renamed master pistoleer since we clearly cannotown anyone who owns a gun. A better pistoleer weapon and special fixes would go along ways to compensate pistoleer.
Rifleman's only certified weapon is the T21, whats your point?
You have three choices for dabbling, don't bitch about not being able to kill when you have more opportunities than Rifles ever will.
First I realized a mistake I made in my first post where I said for pistoleers to be quiet. Forgive me, I didn't actually mean shut up. What I really meant is: Pistoleers are not the worst when compared to Carbineers.
Secondly, I dont' think Pistoleer NOR Carbineer should have to have Bounty hunter or smuggler to be powerful.
As a Master Carbineer, the best gun we have is a Laser carbine. It's great in PVP except it has such low minimum damage ranging from 15 to 45 on average. The lowest speed I can possibly get on a Laser carbine non-krayt with a SPEED SLICE is around 2.1 or so. The best non-krayt Lasers are around 40-268 3.6 speed on my server. Krayts usually go up to maybe 350, but good tissue is hard to find and will be especially with the upcoming patch.
I easily fire at once per second with my DH17 subnose, but it completely sucks in PVP as its AP0 makes the gun nullified when going up against composite armor. Secondly, the lower damage makes it not as powerful.
I can actually beat people I couldn't before now as a Pistoleer, I have actually dodged shots which have saved me and I have yet to even go up the dodge tree. Maybe my opinion will change at Master, maybe it won't.
Worst part for Carbineers is that their Carbines are: Energy, Acid and Heat. Tough since the best player armor is stun vuln.
That's my #1 issue. Not enough damage variety for the carbines since resists are a huge part of combat.
OK first off everybody (all combat prof's) should get MORE weapons...
What do you expect from a pistol in general compared to a rifle...A rifle should do more dam at higher accuracy but with bigger ham costs and slowers speeds. Carbineers should have mediocre speend and dam capabilities with mediocre ham costs as well. Pistoleers should get faster speed and more weapons. Pistoleer IS fine (except for the broken skills) if you use the right PISTOLEER combo...
I am a 0-0-3-2 and I am so close to commando i can taste it...My combo right now for pve is Bleedshot2 until the mob gets to you then use pistolmeleedefense1 (that for me usually kd's everything Yes And Rancors too just did it want screens ???)...when they are kd'ed bleed them again and run back a little further and hit them with stopping shot as many times and then repeat until it is dead...
For pvp i do the same but with an ap1 weapon....I usually count on pointblank when up against a carbineer and pistoleer (supression fire usually sometimes gets them down long enough for me to kd them and do my steps) If you use the awesome dodge skill mods we get then you should be able to win pointblank...(if you are a ch send your pet at a diff traget other than that player like his faction pets or his ch pets that will keep him from running and not letting you use your skill at pointblank)
I will post the restlater have to get off (phone)
Part II of my post is ...
Why would you have to master Marksmen (rifles, carbines, pistols, and ranged support) to get a weapon base class modifier of skills and weps???
You do not have to rely on Bh to Own with pistoleer...It Enhances your Pistol abilities with the pistol tree...It also enhances Carbine abilities.
Rifles are Getting shunted away there...For what Investigation ???
Compared to other prof's Pistoleers have really more Prof combos than any rifle or carbine lets see here
We have Smugg, Bh, andCommando (for the launcher pistol)
Carbine has Bh
Rifle has .....................................................
Also Bh pistol branch has Eyeshot...Guess what Eyeshot does dam to ???? MIND !!!!!! That is a bonus that destroys the rifleman prof pretty muchright there...
Use your Skill mods and Specials to your advantage. I have notyet seen a Carbineer do Heavy Dam against me or anybody for that matter.
Pistoleer has DoubleTap...That is like a fast overcharge shot ...I have done830 dam with Doubletap...Stopping shot is good except for the delays (i usually hit around 1.1k dam each time)
The main point is there is many combinations within your own base weapon tree (pistol, Rifle, and Carbine) You do not have to waste your skill points if you do not want to...
Genrader wrote:
Alright, I know pistoleers think they're underpowered and weak, but currently you're decently evened out with Rifleman, especially if you have at least Panic Shot in the DF tree. I'm picking up Pistoleer because I finally mastered Carbineer, only to find out it blows totally. Carbineer is the absolute, WORST CLASS IN THIS ENTIRE GAME WHEN IT COME TO COMBAT. No class is that bad. I can solo 4k mobs BARELY, I cannot win in PVP often, any BH with just BH carbine 3 completely owns me.
As a pistoleer that is now 0-0-3-1, I am already almost as good as a Master Carbineer. I shoot faster, I hit almost as often, and I do nearly the same amount of damage with a knockdown that actually keeps someone down for more than 1 second.
So untill Carbineer is fixed, I want pistoleers to be quiet. You are NOT NEARLY that bad. Stopping shot and Fanshot are awesome at Master Pistoleer, I've tested them out myself on another's account.
IMO here are the three classes in order:
Rifleman > Pistoleer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carbineer
With Dirty Fighting...
Pistoleer > Rifleman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carbineer
Well, to be honest... I've never, ever fought a carbineer in PvP. So I don't know how good or bad you are. My point here is that you are most likely to end up confronted in PvPbattlesor duels by novice medics (giggle) with flamethrowers or novice entertainers (giggles again) with LLC's. In either case, those two templates are very strong and pistoleers are really up against it. I'd guess carbineers too. It doesn't really matter which profession would hit the ground faster against them now does it?
Ok, as soon as someone says "Pistoleer is great if you have Panic Shot, Last Ditch, BH Pistol, etc." I tune you out, because you are not talking about pistoleers anymore.
You are talking about a hybrid class. Comparing a Pistoleer/Smuggler combo to straight Carbineer or Riflemen is comparing apples to oranges. Saying that Carbineers or Riflemen don't have other professions they can take is not the point.
Maybe if people would stop yelling to have other people nerfed, and instead we all tried to get the Devs to fix what is broken in EVERY profession, we'd have a better game. "This bickering is pointless."
Exactly and you bumped it so just let this post die away and every go on with your lives
My profession is more brokeded than yours!,
no it's not! mines more brokeded!
na ah, mine is!
no mine is!
MOMMY!
Just fix them all please.