Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Pistoleers complaining...
Alright, I know pistoleers think they're underpowered and weak, but currently you're decently evened out with Rifleman, especially if you have at least Panic Shot in the DF tree. I'm picking up Pistoleer because I finally mastered Carbineer, only to find out it blows totally. Carbineer is the absolute, WORST CLASS IN THIS ENTIRE GAME WHEN IT COME TO COMBAT. No class is that bad. I can solo 4k mobs BARELY, I cannot win in PVP often, any BH with just BH carbine 3 completely owns me.
As a pistoleer that is now 0-0-3-1, I am already almost as good as a Master Carbineer. I shoot faster, I hit almost as often, and I do nearly the same amount of damage with a knockdown that actually keeps someone down for more than 1 second.
So untill Carbineer is fixed, I want pistoleers to be quiet. You are NOT NEARLY that bad. Stopping shot and Fanshot are awesome at Master Pistoleer, I've tested them out myself on another's account.
IMO here are the three classes in order:
Rifleman > Pistoleer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carbineer
With Dirty Fighting...
Pistoleer > Rifleman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carbineer
Only pistoleer specials I use at master pistoleer are
fanshot
Pistol melee defense 1
Healthshot2
Stoppingshot but I replaced this with last ditch
The defenses speed and accuracy modifiers are what are good with pistoleer now
The specials are really borked and need fixed but I'm not in a hurry as like you said other classes are more broken.
I would really love for out master specials to be useful in some way though and right now they don't do anything as far as I can tell but take high ham.
Fahd Krath Master Bounty Hunter/Master Jedi StalkerOh carbine is not that bad and I think it is really better than pistoleer by itself but only if you have a uber krayt gun or BH carbine 3 to supliment it for the speed.
I'm 3/3/1/3 in carbine now working to master as per the holocrons instructions.
I think carbines are really good in pvp with chargeshot crippleshot and the action bleeds that are also posture changes. But speed is the key.
Without DF or BH pistol line you're not going to win very often vs any other master combat class. As for Pistoleer being about as good as rifleman... Rifleman are faster, have AP out the face, and target mind. If you want to PvP, Mrifleman + Mtk + Mfencer.
Get that setup and i'll have to give you directions to the cloning center in case you want to insure or clone. When you see the worn path on the way out of the cloning center leading to the cantina you know you're walking on my path 
The major complaint is that pistoleer, by itself, isn't really self-sufficient, even at master.
Right now, you always need a tank and/or the smuggler line to go out and hunt by yourself.
Genrader...Get Master Pistoleer and then talk to me. IMO it is:
Master Rifleman>MasterCarbiner>Master Pistoleer...
Why?
Master Rifleman are granted the AOE Dizzy, Flurry Shot 2, and have insanely DMGing shots. PvP rulers and PvE rulers.
Master Carbineers have a Ranged KD, and can fire just as fast as Pistoleers. If you go with BH Carbine, you can get a Dizzy as well. They also have Crippling Shot, which, having a fast gun, or BH Skill Mods, is insane. Also, as of right now, Charge Shot has no timer, so it can be spammed constantly like the ol' days.
Master Pistoleers have no ranged KD, no status effect, and low damage specials that are as fast as Carbineer specials. You want to know what attacks I use at Master Pistoleer? Stopping Shot, Fan Shot, Health Shot 2. Most I ever did with Stopping Shot was 2400, and thats the average for Crippling Shot.
NOTE: I did do Carbineer, and had Crippling Shot, and know what I'm talking about.
Master Rifleman>MasterCarbiner>Master Pistoleer...
Yeah that's how I would rate them as far as by themselves.
Now when you add other skills that stack with them I would say this order
Pistoleer>Carbineer>Rifleman
why because pistoleer has the most professions that have things that will stack with it.
Carbine does not have as many but still has several that have stackable mods or moves.
Rifleman has one profession that will stack with it and that is the worst melee profession you can do.
Please don't ask me to tell you what professions go with these as I won't tell you.
you think carbineer is bad, try mastering pikeman then talk to me
Genrader wrote:
Alright, I know pistoleers think they're underpowered and weak, but currently you're decently evened out with Rifleman, especially if you have at least Panic Shot in the DF tree. I'm picking up Pistoleer because I finally mastered Carbineer, only to find out it blows totally. Carbineer is the absolute, WORST CLASS IN THIS ENTIRE GAME WHEN IT COME TO COMBAT. No class is that bad. I can solo 4k mobs BARELY, I cannot win in PVP often, any BH with just BH carbine 3 completely owns me.
As a pistoleer that is now 0-0-3-1, I am already almost as good as a Master Carbineer. I shoot faster, I hit almost as often, and I do nearly the same amount of damage with a knockdown that actually keeps someone down for more than 1 second.
So untill Carbineer is fixed, I want pistoleers to be quiet. You are NOT NEARLY that bad. Stopping shot and Fanshot are awesome at Master Pistoleer, I've tested them out myself on another's account.
IMO here are the three classes in order:
Rifleman > Pistoleer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carbineer
With Dirty Fighting...
Pistoleer > Rifleman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carbineer
I didn't read into this much, but to give the ignorant a perspective..
Pistol Possibilities: Pistoleer, Smuggler, Bounty Pistol, Commando ( for the weapon if nothing else)
Carbine Possibilities: Carbineer, Bounty Carbine
Rifleman Possibilities: Rifleman
If I left one out, let me know.
No timer KD, ranged KD, AP2 weapons, posture AND status changing attacks. If you want to hit random ham like we do, I believe full auto fits the bill.
Carbineers have been whining about ham with a work-around that costs no skill points right in front of them. Food/buffs/spice.
If I traded damage for speed with a pistol, how do I up my damage over say 300 base attack value? get a legendary gun? Take BH pistol line? Post-fix you will find our weapons under-powered, a fair trade if we were actually faster than anyone.
Carbineers get all the bells and whistles, your biggest complaint is the cost of your specials. Get some spice and realize exactly how much a$$ you could kick.
If yer tryin to get attention, you picked the wrong forum. No one with any authority actually reads this one, try the BH, or TKA forums. They actually seem to get results.
Ok as a master Rifleman I need to weigh in... Yes we target mind, yes we fire fast, yes we can do some damage... No we cannot hit at close range. No we have no Posture change, no we have no KD.
So what happens in PvP... I die while trying to get back up. THis because there are what, 4 tiers of pistols in professions?
I am not saying there is nothing wrong with pistoleer, but you need to remember a pistol is not a rifle, nor is it a carbine, it isn't meant to unload fire and death, it is a side arm. You perks of the class are speed, and specials.
I have a friend that used Fan shot with a Krayt FWG5 slices for speed and a Pup and he did 9k damage in PvE.
I am sorry I cannot give you proof because he said he thought it was a bug and soon after dropped the profession.
The only thing us riflemen have is an AOE attack and in Pvp that is useless because if your wearing armor we have to use our T21 that have a 100+ mind Pull, that means I get maybe 3 -5 shots off and then my mind pool is gone. I have never seen a pistol with a ham pull of over 60.
I am not saying anything by this except, you better stop telling me Riflemen are gods in PvP, because the only way I can make that true is to suppliment it with Other calsses... Just like the Pistoleer with there 4 some classes to choose from.