Pistoleer Archive

I may be completely and utterly wrong. But here's my 2 cents. (Heh, a TKA fanatic commenting on the eternal BH vs. other ranged professions disagreement. I wonder how this is gonna come out )

You forget, there is another tradeoff. When you go Bounty hunter, you are becoming amoderate amountmore proficient with several different weapon types, and gain a couple very useful specials. You are not, however,becoming more powerful than any other elite class within their realm of expertise. The skill point cost just isn't just for that kind of power.Basically you trade off your ability to be extrordinarilypowerful with ONE weapon type (and thus only combat viable in certain situations) for the ability to become more adaptable inanyfight by being fairly powerful with any weapon (thus increasing the situations in which you are combat viable).

Bounty hunters get the ability to go: "Hmm my target is a TKA,I can useuse a carbine or rifleto exploit his range weakness," or "Hmm, my target is a rifleman, I should probaby get up lose and personal as quickly as possible to exploit histrouble with aiming at close range."Other classes may be more powerful with those weapons, but the bounty hunter is the only class with a viable amount ofskill in all of them. Their power is their flexibility. They must be able to quickly change tactics to survive.

If the pistoleer fights a pistol using bounty hunter I expect a pistoleer to do fairly well if not win.

If a rifleman fights a rifle using bounty hunter, I expect the rifleman to do well if not win.

If a carbineer fights a bounty hunter using carbines, I expect the Carbineer to to fairly well if not win.

If amelee profession fights the bounty hunter in a melee battle, I expect to seethe bounty hunter'sremains fitin a colostomy bag.

If the bounty hunter is a shrewd tactician and fights all above opponents at ranged and with weapons that take advantage of the opponent's weaknesses, I think we shouldexpect them all to die.

Skill points areNOT, and never will be,the issue.Types ofskills gainedand implementation of said skillsARE the issue.

So in closing:

No,I don't thing pistoleer needs a nerf. I think it's about the closest thing we have to a working profession.

AU, sucking at 3 weapons does not balance with being awesome at 1! =)

"if I spend my 33pts in combat skills like medic/ch I should be your equal "

You already are my equal if you do that. You should NOT be my equal in shooting a gun, because then you would be supperior since you are equal at that + you have medic or CH skills to boot.

if you have pistoleer and BH pistol skills I don't see how I could be better at shooting a pistol, obviously you would be somewhat better...spending 33pts in CH could make up for that...

EXCEPT that a pistoleer is already far better than a BH at pistols, even without you taking BH skills in addition...spending 33pts in CH would not be much help...spending 33pts in medic would help a little...but I would still be far underpowered...

Bounty hunters are generalists they are good at alot of weapons and scouting. Why should you better at combat then a pistoleer exactly? becuase you spent all those points learning hunting, survival, exploration and traps what exactly has that to do with combat. Half the points you spenddont have anything to do with combat.You are Bounty hunters not Super GI. Your investigators not rambo. Pistoleers are the best with a pistol sounds right to me.

"As for the pistoleer who said something about also being a BH, you aren't really much of a BH if you just picked up our pistol line. However, you do prove a point that the pistol line is currently the only working thing in the BH profession and that's why you got it. Your attempt at making the other guy appear wrong actually hurt your argument."

You make no sense. What I'm saying is wrong is that someone who is only an MBH should be as powerful in combat as someone who spent all of his points into being good at a gun, such as pistol. I used his own "we spent more skill points" argument against him.

I also didn't even claim I was a BH, although I AM an "expert" Bounty Hunter whether you like it or not. Not Master, but one of my titles (which I don't use but is still there) says Expert Bounty Hunter, there is no denying that.

I don't think I should be more powefull "overall" than an MBH + his complementary skills. But if that MBH chose medic or ch or something like that to complement his skills, then he should not, I repeat not, be as good as me in using any gun or weapon. If you don't agree to that, then you have no business claiming the MBH should be better than a master pistoleer at combat.

Just curious San, but did you even read anything I wrote? It sure doesn't sound like it.

As for being good at weapons and scouting...Scouting helps us how? We can't use traps on anything but creatures (which in turn doesn't help us at all in our profession), we have about as much use for camps as anyone else (which is little to none), the terrain negotation is okay but still not necessary, and creature knowledge obviously has nothing to do with our profession. Just the fact that you mention half the points we spend don't have anything to do with combat seems a problem to me. Why do we need them if they don't do anything for our profession?

As for the weapons, we have master marksman which does covera good portion of rifles/carbines/pistols. However, if you don't get any of the ranged support from the marksman tree, you can master Pistoleer, Carbineer, and Rifleman together and get a lot of bonuses from a variety of weapons. But as I stated earlier, LLC is still borked and worthless. Our carbine moves now make our carbine tree worthless. Our investigative branch receives penalties for our 2 weapon trees that aren't working correctly. And we're left with a working pistol branch which is not as effective as Pistoleer (not that it should be). So you're saying that we're good at a lot of weapons that a Master Marksman can use all of except for Scatter Pistol and still be 2 other professions to compliment him, while we have few points left over if we even try to master our profession which is currently almost impossible...

I think you're still missing the point.

"EXCEPT that a pistoleer is already far better than a BH at pistols, even without you taking BH skills in addition...spending 33pts in CH would not be much help...spending 33pts in medic would help a little...but I would still be far underpowered..."

I don't disagree with you that the MBH needs balancing, and in his current state he deserves to be more powerfull in combat than someone who only spent half their skillpoints into a combat profession (since in his current state he doesn't get much other than combat skills which are worth anything). But I still think the bounty hunter should get some other perks than being just as good with a weapon as a Master Pistoleer, such as a certificate for a powerfull combat droid which noone else gets and Player Bounty missions at MBH. If the MBH were to recieve a bunch of additional combat skill bonusesand special attacks that noone else could get then they would need to drop his +33 skill points and keep his mission crappy with no other perks to balance it out.

I do NOT agree with nerfs. What I see across all boards is every sore loser who just lost a duel goes and says "so and so must be nerfed they kill me in a duel blah blah".

Thats not right, things have to be fixed to a point wherea game is enjoyable, but not bad.

Some guy on BH board posted that he got killed in a duel with pistol whip and asked for pistoleer to be nerfed. BH got killed by a TKA he asked for TKA to be nerfed. TKA got killed from range asked for marksman to be nerfed. If this is not going to stop we are all going to end up being nerfed to a point where we can't fight anything out there.

No more nerf talk, its just dumb.

I agree that an MBH should not be more effective with pistols than a Master Pistoleer. However, as I tried to point out to SanTzu, 2/3 of our weapon trees are currently borked to the point of being useless. The only one that is worth anything is usually picked up by Pistoleers as well. I have a problem when people say that our class is too powerful when it's currently not even worthwhile to use.

Have I cleared up my previous statement now?

You see Im not interested in Bounty Hunter problems. Im not a bounty hunter. Im a smuggler/pistoleer I worry about the problems that effect my professions. You know a good place to post problems with the Bounty Hunter on the bounty hunter forum. This is the pistoleer forum. What do you expect? that we are all going to go ow yes please take all our skills away so some bounty hunters feel better about their profession.

SanTsu that was well said. Give you props for taking charge. Kids like that guy who started this threadreally need to learn their place.

And to Streetracer, I agree that nerfing is a ridiculous way to balance a game (especially this early in its release). The only reason I posted in this thread was to hopefully clear up some issues about our class.

And actually, I did hear a funny story about someone getting beat by someone with a BH tag who used pistol whip and the person who lost started yelling to nerf BHs for pistol whip. (this isn't meant as a criticism to either profession, justa humorous anecdote about the nerf wars)