Pistoleer Archive

i myself am a BH

but seriously guys by spending 217 skill points we should be better than a master pistoleer

i agree we have superior speed and accuracy

but as a pistoleer u get superior defence, moves that can kill in pvp with 1 shot (stopping shot)

and if u compare its 92 skill points.... so if u want to contrast with skill points should we be 2X more superior than a pistoleer? the LLC as someone said we are a 1 man army. to use the specials we have to be basically 16m away... we have to be that close.. so a pistoleer can run around us and kill us before we even get into range.... do u guys have to burn skill points into master scout??? u guys just have to get pistol 4 in the marksman ship tree.. and they are all related to your pistoleer tree... we have to master scout and marksman. guys trust me the scout does not help us at all in PVP. it gives us +10 creature to hit bonus and + 40 creature knowledge.. its not like UO where warriors learn anatomy to gain human to hit bonuses.

i just wan to let u guys know... and with the current patch u guys are getting alot of defence bonuses... i can't see us improving.. we got nothing this patch it seems (i maybe wrong)

When you guys say better than a BH you should be more specific, We should be better than them when its pistol for pistol. Personally i thin BH was messed up when they made them the jack of all trades. I always wanted the BH to be a weapon specific class. Like Boba Fett Carbine Master Bh or Jango Fett Pistol Master bh or Zam Rifle Master bh. Anyways im the pistol part of BH and soon as eyeshot is moved to master im prob dropping it. I like torso shot and bleeding shot but i dont think it will be worth it. Eyeshot is good for when you have to take out NPC's with low mind. Pvp is currently not worth time really, its just spamming moves most of time.

I'm a BH and i got taken down 2 times in a row last night during pvp with a Pistoleer/medic was really great fun, i very nearly had him a few times, neither of us spammed any moves I checked the combat log, just great fun, basicly a Pistoleer can just constantly keep running around and do a smaller but constant amount of fast damage.

When i have hit Master BH I am droping it and going into Droid engineer and i am now really into that idea as i can have most of Pistoleer also = best of both worlds it seems.... to me anyway.

geezus people...will this debate ever end?

#1: ex-Master Pistoleer, so do have some experience there
#2: I am currently 2/2/4/4 BH (+ novice pistoleer, 3/0/1/0 SL), so do have some experience there
#3: I believe that, toe-to-toe, using pistols only, Pistoleer should win by significant margin.
#4: Using any weapon combination (pistol,carbine,LLC vs pistol), BH should win hands down.

The 250 skill point argument is a very valid one. My choices are MUCH more limited as a 2/4/4/4 BH than they were at master pistoleer. The possibility of going master pistol/smuggler/TK is very interesting and something I'm currently considering since I've tried most everything else except crafting/entertaining (until I get my holo =). And keep in mind, that while the scatter is a superior weapon to most other pistols, pistoleers are alos not required to re-do the marksman like grind of 3 seperate weapons.

Pros/Cons
Pistoleer
Pro:
1. Good damage
2. Versatility (there's a pistol for almost any situation)
3. Fastest firing rate
4. Defense mods
5. Ability to augment pistoleer with other skills
6. Weapon xp can be spread across multiple skills (and don't tell me it can't be done...900k pistol xp bought me two BH pistol boxes when I switched...and I was maxed for a while)
7. Fastest high-damage specials (stoppingshot,fanshot)

Con:
1. Limited weapons selection
2. Primarily random HAM specials
3. BS3 sucks
4. Defense mods (or are they fixed?)

BH
Pro:
1. Some of the most useful specials in the game when they work: underhandshot(already nerfed), eyeshot (being nerfed)
2. Weapon versatility (weapon for almost any situation)
3. High damage weapons (scatter(AP1) > FWG5 or DX2, LLC(AP1) > any pistol, laser carbine (AP2) > any pistol)
4. Really cool title

Con:
1. Heavy skill point requirements limits ability to augment BH specific skills
2. Huge HAM costs on specials(armored, underhandshot costs me almost 300 action for ONE SHOT which MIGHT buy me a whole 5 seconds to drop DOTs on the target)
3. Heavy skill point requirements limits ability to augment BH specific skills
4. No defensive mods
5. LLC is now significantly nerfed since it is treated as a rifle. If you've never been melee hit while holding a rifle, you can borrow an old DLT20a and let some gnorts pound on you. 2.5x damage mod really bites when you have to be within 15m to use a special. If you don't have someone/something tanking for you, you will get hit.

Tssr'ct Misso

i really have to laugh about how lame u pistoleers are. really. look at that topic title and plz red the first post.

u compare the pistoleer pistol xp to the bh pistol xp but failed to realised that u need far more than just pistol xp to become BH. i'm not talking about these 40k combat xp but about master marksman AND master scout. if u guys goin to compare in xp and skillpoints then plz go and compare it right. someone has already written down how much skillspoints, xp and time is needed to become master bh and master pistoleer. and by all respects: all u pistoleer can do is whining and starting BH-nerf-topics. plz do the math for yourself and think about it.

fact is: to become novice BH to have to master 2 professions while novice pistoleer only needs pistol4. so plz redo your math. and don't lame around with arguments like "pistoleer have to fill more pistol boxes than BH" for that is really pointless.

have u guys ever play a BH? i guess not. if you did so u wouldn't complain that BH is overpowered. i am a BH 0444 and i'm starting to ask myself why the hell did i chose to become BH? that's because he was planed to be a feared pvp opponent. meanwhile the BH is nerfed like mad. thx to all your complainings. once i mastered BH (if i ever have the nervs for it) i will drop it to get pistoleer, ch, smugler, tka, medic or whatever combo is possible for my skillpoints instead of getting stucked with a prof that is not worth 217 points.

Look at the skills in my sig. I don't have any skill points left, and I have only two starting professions mastered. You can addup the carbine weapon xp, the rifle weapon xp, and all the scout xp, and I think we deserve to do resonalby well in a battle.

Im a pistoleer 0-0-3-1 and i beat a master bh. Bleed shot a a graul can do alot.

blah, blah blah blah blah blah, you people need to shut up.It is always your whiny little pistoleers complaining. Everywhere i go, "omg gay bh killed me in pvp with eyeshot", well you know what? no one f'in cares. YOUR the dead one not me!i am obviously smart enough to kill you with eyeshot on your weakest pool. So please, just shut up. A bounty hunters life isnt easy. 33 skill points cannot do anything. But maybe just go medic with 2 or 3 boxes.

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Varbruss wrote:

fact is: to become novice BH to have to master 2 professions while novice pistoleer only needs pistol4. so plz redo your math. and don't lame around with arguments like "pistoleer have to fill more pistol boxes than BH" for that is really pointless.

have u guys ever play a BH? i guess not. if you did so u wouldn't complain that BH is overpowered. i am a BH 0444 and i'm starting to ask myself why the hell did i chose to become BH? that's because he was planed to be a feared pvp opponent. meanwhile the BH is nerfed like mad. thx to all your complainings. once i mastered BH (if i ever have the nervs for it) i will drop it to get pistoleer, ch, smugler, tka, medic or whatever combo is possible for my skillpoints instead of getting stucked with a prof that is not worth 217 points.

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We don't need threads like this.

But we also don't need the same rehashedarguments by Bounty Hunters who think that their amazing camping, burstrunning,and corpse harvesting skills somehow entitle them to better Pistol skills than a well-trained Pistoleer.

Also, why become a Bounty hunter just to become feared in PVP? Is unique content - ie, bounty hunting -worthless to you? Does hunting bounties have any appeal? THAT is supposed to be the big payoff for being a Bounty Hunter. Not some kind of Rambo ability to walk into a room and take out 20 skilled opponents. You're supposed to be a private detective more than you're supposed to be a soldier. You may have had a misconception of what the profession is supposed to deal with.

Is unique content - ie, bounty hunting -worthless to you? Does hunting bounties have any appeal?

1. We get a glorfied destroy mission where we pay 13-14k waste one hour, and find a mark that is not atackable at least 30% of the time.


2. There are no player bounties


3. If there were the point would be moot, anyone who can not make a template pistoleerthat can kill a BH does not know how to PvP. And after the changed on test center, a retarded monkey will be able to kill a BH.

Note how I said BH, NOT pistoleer+BH...

The BH community on a whole is feeling slighted by all these Master pistoleer's who run around with the novice BH tag on thier head so when the nerf calls start we get the flack...

When you stop to think about it, what exactly do we have over a Master pistoleer? Accuracy?

In the to hit equation, as long as your standing your accuracy is about even with a BH's, now I do not know about you but I have never gone prone in PvP....

You're supposed to be a private detective more than you're supposed to be a soldier. You may have had a misconception of what the profession is supposed to deal with.

Where do you draw your facts from?

From what I saw in the movies, Jango was every bit as good with his two pistols as Han solo was with his pistol, and Han solo is the ONLY example of a pistoleer in the movies.

If you wish to refer to the EU, then by all meens include the Jedi-Hunting bounty hunters in there....

The BH system on a whole is messed up...BH should have been a class off the hunting/exploration tree..It should have had Human traps/Gadgets and Human tracking, as well as defense mods....Which would leave enough points for the "bh" to spend in any Elite profession of his choosing....

But since we have it the way it is now, we have to work with it....

1. We get a glorfied destroy mission where we pay 13-14k waste one hour, and find a mark that is not atackable at least 30% of the time.

And yes I do meen we spend 13-14k, BH's nearly always lose money in thier quest to find somone...

I am sure the BH's in the movies were also qorking for charity too...

No content>broken content

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Taewyn wrote:

The BH system on a whole is messed up...BH should have been a class off the hunting/exploration tree..It should have had Human traps/Gadgets and Human tracking, as well as defense mods....Which would leave enough points for the "bh" to spend in any Elite profession of his choosing....

But since we have it the way it is now, we have to work with it....

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I definitely agree that the BH profession isn't working as it should be.

The content should be much better than it is, and you're right about traps and tracking.

But just because something isn't working means you have to accept it and not try to get it overhauled.

Look at Underworld in Smuggler - that's going to get worked over in a major way. I expect nothing less from Investigation in Bounty Hunter. There are some things that are just so incredibly broken that they have to be changed. Investigation and BH are two of thsoe things. Keep pushing for improvements.

I think we would all rather the devs upped Pistoleer skill points if we could get the use of better weapons and specials.(AR1 anyone?)