Pistoleer Archive

Gah, I'm on the home team this time, always sucks.

But... I think things are fine as they are, if they fix our defences (if they are broken) and give us hope that someday there will be an elite elite prof for Pistols... Alls well. Why bother the BH? They have no hope of getting an elite elite. Or maybe I'm just sick of the same arguments, over and over...

BTW- xp doesn't mean ANYTHING when you think about it. Ok so it takes you a whole 2 more days to master Pistoleer. Now you can go and pick up Master TKA or Master CH or Master Doctor. Xp is a lame way to compare.

As if a pistoleer player spends his 91 points and says "well that looks enough, I think I'll stop now".

We all spend 250 points, we get 2 elite professions and spend buttloads more xp, you get one scout hybrid and unique mission terminals. If the pistoleer spends those other points on a second combat class (say combat medic or CH) he'll have spent exactly the same number of skill points on combat as the BH.

The skill points arguement is baseless. BHs have the same total number of points as anyone else.

You aren't desgined to be gods, you're designed as a hybrid class with a cool set of missions. The God slot is reserved for Jedi

Don't think I really understand what you are trying to say Bynder. I don't think anyone in this post has said that BHs are supposed to be gods. We are just saying that for the skill points we spend to hit master BH we should be **edit** good in combat.

And you are absolutely right...you can spend your skills points in another combat profession. If you do, and you still can't beat a bounty hunter then there is a problem. But, I dont know many master pistoleers/master CH or master pistoleer/master carbineer or master pistoleers/master riflemen that can't kick a master BHs arse. But, on the other side of the coin if you are a master pistoleer/master tailor a master BH (who has spent a hell of a lot more skill points on combat related skills) should be able to beat you more then 50% of the time in PvP. Unless of course you are willing to let master pistoleer cost more skill points which a hell of a lot of master pistoleers are doing by taking the BH pistol line to truly master all pistols.

Chahu

Intrepid BH

Thanks Clade, I was just going to make that exact point. When I finish skilling up pistol, I'll have 4/250 left, because I'm also a ranger. As far as skill points go, the difference between BH and pistoleer or carbineer is that BH has no choice about his path, its pure cookie cutter. The pistoleer and carbineer (and any other pure fighter) spends ALL his remaining points to round out his character. He spends them not because its the rule, but 99% of players want to flesh out their character as much as possible. All things being equal, the pistoleer should out-shoot a BH with pistols any day of the week.

That's because you're being reasonable. My apologies, my responses are becoming somewhat canned to the usuall BH drivel we see on this board. I've gotten used to BHs saying they should kill everyone in the game because they mastered scout and marksman to get their profession

If the balance that's maintained is that master BH is generally equal to a master of 2 elite combat professions, I'd be very happy.

Samhuin, you are telling me as a master pistoleer you cant beat a master BH who is just using pistols in the fight? Hmmm...ever try disarming shot II to knock em down at range and then charge up and pistol whip them into oblivion? How about just one well place stopping shot? The problem is a smart bounty hunter isnt just gonna fight with a pistol. He is gonna pull out his carbine and try to knock you down also. He is gonna confuse you with that same carbine. And yes he will use his pistol to blind you and dot you. God forbid they fix LLC and he uses it to do damage too.

Chahu Melhar

Intrepid BH

Thanks Bynder. That is exactly what I am trying to say. BH should not be able to consistently beat another character who has spent as many/or more skill points in combat related skills. That would be way overpowering. But if you arent willing to spend the same number of skill points in combat related skill as a master BH should you be able to consistantly beat me?

Chahu Melhar

Intrepid BH

Chahu makes the point pretty **edit** clear... In no way is a Bounty Hunter with only BH Pistol skills (and of course its pre-req Marksman pistol skills) superior to a Master Pistoleer... We are a bit more accurate (unless of course u add the other types of accuracy, like while moving and while standing still) and have +1 more speed... We have an attack that aims only for the mind, you have one that can potentially clean our clocks with 1 well placed shot... AND you have the ability to persue OUR pistol skills TOO to add on top the potency of being able to already kick our asses in a fair pistol vs pistol fight... Not to mention we get a mind numbing overpowering ranged defense of +7 while u pistoleers get a meek and extremely weak set of +20 defences on top of others that u probably have that i just cant remember right now.

A 300lb man who can lift 300lbs is not more powerful than a 150lb man who can lift 300lbs... the 150lb man is stronger... Bounty hunters are the 300lb man... yes we are powerful (not moreso, just powerful), so are pistoleers... but when u reach our weight u'll be that much stronger... i.e. spending equal amount of skill points it takes to become a master bounty hunter.. And to stress my intention, i am not arguing that we are more powerful because we spend more skill points,I am arguing that when u spend as much skill points, granted u are spending to become more PVP powerful, you WILL be that much more powerful than we will EVER be, and low n behold... With a PISTOL, cuz just being a master pistoleer u are ALREADY that statistically better...

Vandalz

Bounty Hunter

Can someone please tell me where this whole BH Vs Pistoleer has come from? I don't follow the boards too often, as all it does is wind me up and annoy me...

On a side note, should P Vs E players be punished for something that the P Vs P players complain about? I couldn't care less about P Vs P (for the moment at least)... I'm quite happy killing Mobs!

Nox,

"you to sit here and crya bout BH all the dang time just gets the whole communnity in a up roar"

You obviously don't keep up with this forum if you think that's the case. Read the "why pistoleers want to be masters" post for an example of what folks are asking me to ask for. Read the post about the actual # of pistoleers that ask for BH nerfs (I scanned 300 subjects and saw 1, but it was actually a request for knockdown to be nerfed). No one's crying, they just have no idea why dabblers are better pistol users than both BH and master pistoleer. You're right, no one else except carbineers complain about it..why? It's only pistoleers/carbineers/bounty hunters that overlap to any great degree. Varvidos and I talk about the issue and honestly see eye to eye. Not that anything will be done about it necessarily, just thought I'd catch you up on what's really being discussed on that issue.

So where did this whole rivalry thing come from then? I'm confused...

Rivalry stemmed from idiots reading our request wrong (it was worded badly) and running to BH forums saying we are whineing for nerfs. All but the most logical BHs came over here and told us to shut the hell up because they are Uber Gods, and it should stay that way (obviously ignorant because they were NOT uber gods) Then Pistoleers go over to their forums and tell them that they should be balanced, then they say no we shouldn't. And it's just a huge mess that get's fueled by idiots on both sides.

Ah... right. That clears that up at least, although one question remains...

Can't we all just get along?