Pistoleer Archive

For gods sake each combat class has some uber move that blows others with less worthlyly skills away yet you must sit here and cry like babies about bounty hunters.

1. we arent that g dang uber, we cant even master bh because two of our trees are utter bantha fodder that do nothing at all to help us in any way.

2.KD moves ham cost is increased,seeing as how bhs carbine consists of this and carbines already have high ham cost as it is

3.go cry about riflemen and how they got some bleed attack for 2000 or their uber moves or cry about tka and their uber knockdown ooo and then there is DE they can make mouse droids and mouse droids can hold data and stuff we better make them our top concern so we can be just as good.

point of this topic is iam just trying to point out that each class has its own uber skill and for you to sit here and crya bout BH all the dang time just gets the whole communnity in a up roar

NOONE IS FORCING YOU TO DUEL, NOONE IS FORCING you to duel with BH, our KD doesnt work for crap on mobs that are strong, also if you plan to get into a duel u should know half the time people hide their best titles.

for gods sake worry about ur own profession and its nerfs and leave the bh to the bh people

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NoxDenosis wrote:

NOONE IS FORCING YOU TO DUEL, NOONE IS FORCING you to duel with BH, our KD doesnt work for crap on mobs that are strong, also if you plan to get into a duel u should know half the time people hide their best titles.

for gods sake worry about ur own profession and its nerfs and leave the bh to the bh people

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The devs don't even consider BHs a pure combat profession, so it's time to give up the whole "I'm supposed to be the king of combat" nonsense.

You're a scout hybrid, Holo's words. Deal with it.

While the BH posting here's words aren't necessarily the best of choice, his point is clear.

But here is what i have to add, we are not scout hybrids, we are bounty hunters... We are not the most elite killing class, we are Bounty Hunters... we hunt bounties... that means we go, and... Hunt bounties... that being said the dev team has given us 3 seperate weapon skill masteries to do our "bounty hunting" with. Anyways, we aren't kings of PVP, maybea specific set of BH's believe so, but thats just them. We were never kings of PVP... We will never be kings of pvp... in order for an entire profession to be considered as such there would have to be some type of overwhelming ability... what ability would that be that us BH's possess? Knockdown? hmm, you have it too... Oh, we can knockdown at a RANGE.... hmmm, considering we cant dabble in much else, go dabble in carbineer and pickup there ranged knockdown... because you CAN..

Heres a common arguement, Bounty hunter takes a ton of skill points to reach and master, leaving a MBH with only 33 skill points, and a master pistoleer with alot more.. I am not gonna argue how this is why a BH should be better, but it proves one thing... Pistoleers are superior to BH's, because they can DIVERSIFY themselves to conquer a BH's limited "point and shoot" skills.. Master Pistoleer/Master Carbineer = superior to a MBH skill wise/mod wise... do they have enough skill points to do that? Yes... Pistoleers are still pistoleers even if they master Carbineer, or CH, or what have u, or heck, even dabbling in BH skills.

This IS a skill based game, and the fact that the road to BH costs a majority of your skill points would lead someone with a reasonably intelligent brain in there heads that its done so to offset something, to balance something, to do something to that effect. A bounty hunter alone can be rivaled by a pistoleer, now double that up with a pistoleer/CH with a few pets out... or a pistoleer/commando... or a pistoleer/carbineer... or a pistoleer/riflemen... or pistoleer/what EVER..

Pistoleers are the best with pistols, as they are highly defensive (just cuz it dont work doesn't mean it wasn't intended, push for a fix for this instead of twirly **edit** and holsters next time around), and extremely capable of becoming twice as diverse as a bounty hunter in possible ways to be offensive as well as defensive. Pistoleers are dominate over a bounty hunter, the only reason a bounty hunter would differ is that we get to use a useless heavy weapon, and hunt NPC's down for cash, and hopefully (big IF) hunt down players in the future for a paid contract.

Arguements stating that a pistoleer should be superior to BH's is just bantha turds, they ARE... If you cannot see that, then u must be against dabbling, join in the "i hate dabblers" threads cuz thats really what you are complaining about.

BOTTOM LINE... Pistoleers are already great adversaries to anyone that dare stand in there way, and to top it off, a pistoleer aint just a pistoleer, the mofo probably got a buncha pets or a rifle to blow ur **edit** head off =P

Bounty hunters... Carbineer/Pistoleer wrapped in a nice package without all the diversity and get to hunt PCs... Is it that really hard to understand?

I repeat... A pistoleer IS ALREADY quite an adversary and ARE superior because of the fact that they can take up ANOTHER skill set and master it to aid them ANYWAY they want. If something is fixed, it wont always be, and you cant weigh things against things that are broken. Its like a commando complaining because his acid rifle doesn't do as much as a pistol and calling for a pistol nerf... The commando has NO IDEA how it will be when everything gets tweaked optimally and there certs work correctly... (Bad example, i know commandos got the shaft, but even if the devs are slow, they will eventually fix there problems someday =P)

Vandalz

Bounty Hunter

Excercise makes the best dueler, regardless of combat profession. I would suggest Masturbation as an active excercise, as we all know the fastest hand wins! =)

Dear god, a ton of typo's in my post =P

If something is fixed, it wont always be, and you cant weigh things against things that are broken.

I meant to say if something is broken..

Bounty hunters... Carbineer/Pistoleer wrapped in a nice package without all the diversity and get to hunt PCs... Is it that really hard to understand?

i meant to say we get to hunt NPC's heh,

if i made more typos, oops go to hell =)

Well if you dont like hearing BH on a pistoleer fourm then go BACK to your fourm. hmmmm... Dont think you were invited here anyways. I cant believe you Biggest concern is what is on our PISTOLEER Fourm shouldnt you be worried about what is or is not on you own fourm? Maybe your correspondent is lacking and you envy us and want to read what our AWESOME correspondent has to say in hopes he might become a BH correspondent well too bad he is ours quit crying about us and worry about what could be fixed in YOUR CLASS.

Anywhoo I agree that the Pistoleer should be Much better at Pistols than BH if you look at it like this if you take a Navy Seal he know how to use pretty much all weapons and good at it but if you take a Navy Seal Sniper he is an EXPERT at a Sniper Rifle. BH are about the same they are well rounded and thats good but they shouldnt be better at a pistol than a Pistoleer A pistoleer is an ELITE profession of the Pistol we dont use any other weapon but our trusty pistol and we use it all the time. BH use a range of weapons and do not under stand the pistol as well as we do. If you give a person 5 days One has to learn about 5 weapons and the other has to learn about one the one that learns about the 5 of them will know each of them fairly well but the other that only has to know the one weapon will know how to take it apart with his eyes closed, hands tied, and fallin 25k feet from a plane.

And NO i am not saying BH should be nerfed cuz heck most classes could still be befed up a tad bit. I am just saying that the Pistoleer should be worked on considerably so that their pistol skills blow any other professions pistol skill out of the water. After all its the only weapon we use.

Alfaiden Supernova

The Radiant

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The_Vandalz wrote:

While the BH posting here's words aren't necessarily the best of choice, his point is clear.

But here is what i have to add, we are not scout hybrids, we are bounty hunters...

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And I'm a pistoleer, but I'm an elite combat profession.

You're a bounty hunter, which is a scout hybrid. Right from the devs' mouths. They didn't even include you guys in the pure combat professions.

Hey devs also said we could hunt PCs bounties =P

But anyways, the point is, you guys ARE better at pistols, just wait for everything to be fixed and u will truely see that. While this is alot to ask, knowing full well the lenght of time these type of fixes will take to come in, but when its all said and done, u will be better with pistols, not only will u be able to shoot for more dmg (stopping shot), and break our weapons (disarming shot), and have higher defenses (all them mods that aren't really workin right now, will eventually work), u will be able to pickup some other skill set to help ya'll out. Hence, making u alot more proficient, with a higher expertise in... PISTOLS =)

Bounty hunters get to set people on fire with a pistol (this will be fixed, as we aren't supposed to be spitting fire through our pistols), we get to aim at the mind pool with our pistols, and we get to make you bleed. not sure what fast blast does as im not a master just yet. Pistoleers get to do so much more due to there higher expertise in the weapon itself. What i DO agree with is pistoleers should get a very nice unique pistol other than the DX2 which has been quite disappointing to see (although maybe an improved DX2 build would suffice). Using your Navy Seal example, a navy seal sniper isn't justbetter with the gun, he is also better with everything that entails being a sniper. He has better techniques to protect himself, he has better ways to conceal himself, all that came along with his training. His bullets dont travel faster, or kill better than anyone else using a sniper rifle, he just mastered the sniping profession and EVERYTHING that came along with it.

Being the best at a pistol doesn't necessarily mean your gun will kill better than my gun. Thats like saying if 2 jousters on horseback charged at each other with there lances, closed there eyes had there lances set at the exact same angle towards each other, but 1 of them had never jousted before and the other was a seasoned vet that the seasoned vet would definantly win. Maybe if the seasoned vet opened his eyes and used his defensive techniques, shielded his eyes, leaned outward, raised his shield a few inches higher, than sure, he'd win...

but like I said and to refer to your example a Seasoned vet jouster WOULD be able to win WITH his eyes closed because he would know the feel of where he should put his lance and sheild and what he should do. Its not if you know how to play Chess its knowing what your opponent is going to do as far as defensive and knowing what to then use offensive. I know as a Beginner and a NOOB that if I PVP any BH with underhandshot that is gonna be his first move and probably his last for the Spam will keep me down. well what can I do to prevent this? Like I said BH is the only other class specific that I know that uses pistols so they are our closest reference and like so many have said we ARE and ELITE fighting profession and BH are a Hybrid. So if we reference BH thats because its the CLOSEST thing we have to reference to. Its not that ANYONE wants BH nerfed. well not pistoleers anyways, well not anyone that i have seen on this forum. And my biggest question is WHY are BH postin on a Pistoleer Thread anyways? does theirs not contain any good information and the BH are thinking of becoming a Pistoleer so they wanna see the info on it. Either way if you are not a PISTOLEER you should not be commenting on this site. And if any other classes are posting out your threads I would suggest you tell them the same thing.

Well, i posted on this forum because i am pistoleer as well... I am just mainly a bounty hunter... Thats the beauty of this game, skill based professions =)

And my apologies for not being extremely specific.. A seasoned vet "Jouster" would win cuz of what you stated, but i meant if they just road balls first with there lances not moving at all... but yeah thats pretty dumb of an example anyway. I dont see a problem with pistoleers, hell i dont seea problem with them complaining that they should be better, i am simply stating that they ARE better. Take a compliment, it feels good sometimes ya know? =P

My RL wife is a pistoleer well near mastering the profession... Now if i stand 10 feet away, duel her, and use my pistol, best i have ever done is take her down in 2 - 3 shots... best she has done, take me down in 1 shot... stopping shot... Now, an obvious fact is that PVP doesn't require much skill, so being better at anything in this sense has no weight. But for arguements sake, she and I both agree that with proper planning, a pistoleer IS superior.Now, underhand shot isn't even a pistol skill so thats besides the point, if i use my carbine on you and you die, you would have died even if i had nothing in the pistol tree...

A pistoleer IS superior in MANY ways... they can potentially deal more dmg in a single shot, they can potentially cause me to pull out a backup because my primary pistol was destroyed, and they can surprise the hell out of me with another skill i would never expect because i would have no clue as to what else this master of the pistol has up his sleeve.

Heres a longshot, but perhaps being better at a pistol by being a pistoleer could also mean u have the ability to persue every pistol related skill... cuz u can... a pure bounty hunter unfortunately cannot... We wont sit on our 33 skill points, tho i dont hate on someone who decides to, but 33 is hardly enough to compare to what a pistoleer could persue to strengthen his/her prowess with a pistol... <~~ this paragraph is purely opinion.

Vandalz

Bounty Hunter

P.S. **edit** u are all so touchy, i came in here ranting how pistoleers are better and still got **edit** on =P

Buh-leave it!

Okay, let's look at a BH and his experience:

91k in Pistol, 91k in Carbine, 91k in Rifle, 32k in Combat and 620 Apprentice XP for Master Marksmen.

Experience in Hunting, Scout XP, Survival, and 620 more Apprentice XP for Master Scout.

Now , onto BH: 30k Combat to get in, then a standard 150k, 250k, 350k, and 450k XP for Carbine, Pistol, and Heavy Weapons, then finally another 620 Apprentice XP for Master BH.

Now lets look at Pistoleer:

91k in Pistol XPfor Marksmen Pistol

125k Pistol XP to become Novice Pistoleer

Standard Structure of 175k, 250k, 350k, 450k of Pistol XP for 3 lines and 60k, 85k, 120k, and 150k Combat Experience and finally 620 Apprentice XP for Master Pistoleer.

So, a grand total for BH of :

1291k Pistol XP, 1291 Carbine XP, 1200k HW XP, and 91k Rifle XP, and 72k Combat XP

1860 Apprentice XP, 62k Scouting XP, 31k Trapping, 36k Survival XP and 34k BH XP.

(4.1M XP total)

And, grand total for Pistoleer:

3891k Pistol XP, 450k Combat XP, and 620 Apprentice XP

(4.34M XP total)

Now, let's not more than just mention in passing that all 4 of the scouting lines have XP that falls into your pocket (I would know, Im full on all but trapping and thats empty because I fire my pistol, not throw grenades, but that goes very fast too), its perhaps the easiest profession to become a master in.

It takes more experience to become a master pistoleer than it does a master bounty hunter. MORE.

Yes, you spend more skill points, but it takes more experience, and MUCH harder xp at that. 450k Combat experience, are you kidding me? We dont fill that even by just running through our 3 other Pistol lines like happens in the Marksmen Line.

Yes, yes 40k Combat XP to get in is "tough" but all of the Pistol XP, Carbine XP you use to gain it goes right into your profession once you knock the door down.

Now, let's consider a Master Pistoleer and a Master BH in a pistol fight... here, you have a whopping 1.3M Pistol XP and 72k Combat XP to fall on while the Master Pistoleer is bringing all 3.9M Pistol XP and 450k Combat XP to the fight. Who should win in your opinion? Should it even be close? I mean at all close?

Now let's look at Pistol Skills gained:

BH:

Pistol Accuracy: +60

Pistol Speed: +50

Pistoleer:

Pistol Accuracy: +45

Pistol Speed: +49

How the HECK does this make sense? Let's just look at your advanced Pistol Line versus ONE of our (3) Pistol lines, it STILL takes more Pistol XP to go up one line of ours that it doesa BH, and he ends up with better stats in ANY category of Pistol as result?

I could wipe my behind a couple of extra times and fall into becoming a BH. Please don't pull this crap that its an advanced, advanced class. Its crap. It takes less skill, less XP, and less time to become a Master BH than any of the Carbine, Pistol or Rifle Masters.

This is what YOU get (or SHOULD get) for selecing a class that has bredth instead of depth. You want to be a scout and a riflemen and a pistoleer and a carbineer and heavy weapons specialst and hunt bounties (still broken yes) AND expect that you will be better in ANY fashion than someone who has chosen to specialize in one aspect of the 6 areas that you try and cover? How is that game balance? How is this fair?

Wow...nice how you just gloss over the fact that we pay more skill points to get our pistol abilities. How's this Masisu, you pay 174 skill points to reach master pistoleer and then you can be upset about BH pistol abilities.

As it is you pay a total of 92 points to reach master pistoleer. That gives you a total of 158 points to take other skills. Hmmm...if you think our BH pistol abilities are so uber and it is so easy to become a novice bounty hunter then become one and take the pistol line. Or, maybe you prefer to be a Master Pistoleer/Master CH, like all the other lewt dewds, and still have 52 points left to dabble in say medic.

Also, I hate to tell you but I know how easy it is to get pistol exp after pistol whip. Sure, you have to get 60k combat experience to get pistol whip but once you do your pistol experience is a joke. I have watched my two pistoleer friends take on 5 red con mobs by just spamming pistol whip over and over.Hell, if you arent goodenough to get pistol experience that way pick up a pet and let it tank for you while you get your pistol exp. It isnt like you cant with all those extra skillpoints.

Chahu Melhar

Intrepid BH

Special shots are a dime a dozen.

People are BHfor the weapon speed bonuses.

It seems to me that some of my fellow Pistoleers don't get the skill based principle of this game.
Pistoleers should be weaker than BH, because it takes less SKILLPOINTS to master it. XP is for all practical purposes irrelavant because you can get as much as you want. You only have 250 skillpoints though thats why the power of a class has to be proportional to the skillpoints used to get it.
You may not like it but thats the way it is.