Pistoleer Archive
Thread: *insert insane babbling here* BH vs. Pistoleer
I think you missing the theme of my argument, and it's the same theme on almost all of my threads. Basically Master Pistoleers should master with pistols. Give the Bounty hunters some other gun,just don't call it a pistol. Obviously I pvp a lot and I would like to see a more bgalanced playing field. Currently you best option for pvp is bounty hunter for all of the reasons mentioned above. The balance issue could be fixed without touching pve.
Here's the main problem while fighting a BH with eyeshot which is now even worse after the 75% patch. Both the pistoleer and BH are firing at about the same speed but the only damage pistoleers and carbiners(but hardly anyone is master carbine) can do is easily healed by a decent stimpack b. Wise choice to learn medic for any profession. Of course if BH's are smart enough to get medic skills, they become the undisputed champs of pvp. Remember how good ch's were? Lots of people thought it was unbalanced and they got the shaft. I think it's hard to argue that BH's don't basically own PvP making for an unbalancedboringexperience.
Yes yes I know defense mofidiers aren't working for anyone, but I don't count on them actually doing much to balance gameplay.
Sepen, I made it clear I was repeating arguments made before, but they are still valid. At least I read the forums and gather info before I come and flame others. You resorting to name calling without actually making an argument is a pretty stupid thing to do. Why don't you counter my argument. I've had quite a bit of exp with Pvp and would like nothing more than to see a balanced playing field. Everyone should have there special attacks just even the field, that's all I'm asking.
I don't bother countering your argument because there is no POINT in countering it. If you notice, this horse is dead. If all these things have been said before... Why do you feel the need to repeat your opinion? It has ALL been said before and no one agrees yet. So how is repeating it ONE MORE time going to change that? There are millions (ok maybe only dozens) of counters to your points, and I'm sure there are BHs who would more than gladly point them out to you.
1.More skill points
2.Pistoleers are good anyways
3.This, that, and the other things. You dig up an old thread to basicly flame someone who wasn't even reffering you before the thread sunk a page or two. You wern't even IN the thread, yet you dig it up from page 2 or 3, maybe deeper, to basicly say what's been said OVER and OVER again.
So you get flamed. What did you expect? Have you tried a BH? I havn't, but then I don't go calling for nerfs to them. Have you used 217 skill points in combat related skills? No, I havn't done THAT either but I don't go screaming nerf to those who have.
I don't know what you were expecting trolling this thread, but the horse is dead, and your beating it into a bloody mess. A mess that someone is gonna have to clean up later, and your not going to volunteer for that job are ya? *sigh*
"I don't bother countering your argument because there is no POINT in countering it. If you notice, this horse is dead. If all these things have been said before... Why do you feel the need to repeat your opinion? It has ALL been said before and no one agrees yet. So how is repeating it ONE MORE time going to change that? There are millions (ok maybe only dozens) of counters to your points, and I'm sure there are BHs who would more than gladly point them out to you.
1.More skill points
2.Pistoleers are good anyways"
It really sounds as if you have no clue what your talking about Seppen. You make totally shallow half arguments that are easily shot down. Yes BH's spend more skill points but they are NOT all in combat related fields. half of them are scouting, duh.As far as Pistoleers being good, that's rather comical. With half our shots broken, practically no pistol certs, and an extreme amount of pistol experience required to Master, it's easy to see we are not "good" compared to just about everyone other weapon class.
"I don't know what you were expecting trolling this thread, but the horse is dead, and your beating it into a bloody mess. A mess that someone is gonna have to clean up later, and your not going to volunteer for that job are ya? *sigh*"
Uh, actually it is my job.
You know what the sad part about all this is....no one will ever see the other side's argument as valid let alone accept it...Pistoleers will whine about BH's and BH's will whine about Pistoleers. Lets face it...this argument will never be resolved. The Dev's are really in a no win situation..if they fix something for the BH's the Pistoleers will scream murder and vice versa. Sadder part is..I've read very valid points on this thread yet they get flamed by people who flame for the sake of it...they don't see the big picture only their small world/profession.
The mainargument is all about PvP hmmmmm isn't that voluntary? I agree that one profession should not dominate PvP that definately needs some balance however this game is more...much more than PvP and so far most of the arguments between Pistoleer and BH is aboutwho dominates who in PvP....Can we move on now?
In the end, when all is said and done....its just a game!
Gloria... do YOU have a clue what I'm talking about? I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. I am not trying to argue if a BH is better than a Pistoleer or vice versa. To be honest, it doesn't even matter. If you want to own in PvP, Get a bloody Mk.3 Personal Sheild and a good, low encumberance set of armor, then buff up on spices/food and doc buffs. No one will be able to beat you (good gun goes without saying, but you never know). It is expensive, but it works. Your class in PvP doesn't really make that much a difference.
What I AM talking about is why you feel the need to dig up this thread and respond to someone who, get this WASN'T EVEN TALKING TO YOU (not screaming, just trying to nail that through to you). Your opinion has been said before. YOU don't know how it is to be a BH. All you know is one beat you. So? How does that make you an expert on the **edit** subject?
I don't know what I'm talking about? I'm not debating with you. I'm TELLING you to just drop this, because I am SICK of this argument, and so are most people around here (I think). The only people still dragging it on are self-absorbed brats (mostly anyways) who feel that everyone needs to hear their opinion, despite it being said dozens upon dozens of times already.
The horse is dead. I can't even tell it is a horse anymore it's so **edit**ed up. So let it drop for gods sake.
Gloria, please define "balanced playing field". Does that mean that any profession should have an equal chance against any other profession? Does that mean that an artisan should be able to go up against a smuggler?
I don't know how many times I've seen people forget that this game is skill based. NOT profession based. There is NO way to make this game have a balanced playing field to EVERYONE'S liking. In EQ, you could fairly easily guage what you're getting yourself into since everyone is nicely pigeon-holed into their professions. Not to mention the nice quantified (and abstract) system of "levels" made it even easier.
Now here we are in a game that anybody...ANYBODY...can be ANYTHING they want to be. You can mix and match, you can focus on one thing, you can do WHATEVER you want. If you don't like that someone is more powerful than you, guess what, you can supplement your skills with OTHER skills. And then you can be better than the next guy. But then they'll complain that you're able to do that super-uber thing that they can't, and that profession will be nerfed.
The point I'm trying to make is that these kinds of arguments simply don't make sense. Arguments about whether you can spam knockdowns make sense. There is a clear issue there with SEVERAL CLASSES. The devs listened, and responded. For better or worse, I'll leave that to you to decide, but that's not the issue here.
The issue is that ridiculous and useless, and more importantly dangerous, to compare two classes. There's balance issues with the game, but it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to sit down and say "BH vs. Pistoleer", how should they stack up against each other. Ok, Pistoleer vs. Rifleman, how should they stack up. This just doesn't make sense in a game where anybody can take any skills they want. You weren't born a pistoleer, you chose to take that skill tree. And guess what, you actually have some skill points left over to be something else too!
I'm also REALLY of people who do PVP only and decide to mandate how the whole game should play for everyone else. That gripes me more than anything. Personally, I play much more PvE than anything, and any time someone starts yelling "nerf, I'm getting beaten all the time in PvP", it makes the game that much harder (and usually less fun) for people like me.
All I'm asking is please people, think long and hard about what you want the devs to do, and the potential consequences of that. Getting beaten frequently is not necessarilly a good reason to hobble a whole class.
Again we need to point out that BH as a hybrid profession has better shots and get them sooner then an Elite profession such as pistoleer
i love this comment - i see it coming from pistoleers all the time. how do you figure "sooner"? to get novice bh, we need a total of 705,500 weapon exp. that's before we see any bh skills at all, and that's not counting all the scout crap we have to go through. we need almost 900,000 total weapon experience before we see our first knock down special.
pistoleer needs 216,000 weapon exp and they're a novice.after a total of 600,000 weap exp you get pistol whip, right? or am i wrong? that's a knockdown, right?
you can't just say "bh's get things sooner" by taking both bounty hunter novice and pistoleer novice as eqaulstarting points - they're not.
and what's with the hard on you guys have for the "elite" vs. "hybrid" name? those are terms used in the _book_ to help _lame brains_ distinguish between _classes_. they have nothing to do with what the class is all about in actual practice, just descriptive terms. you guys are not lame brains, surely you can recognize that, right? 
yes, i'm a bounty hunter, but i also have pistoleer skills, so i'm not a total troll . i just can't imagine why you guys are so upset, and whyso many of you keep wandering over to the bhforum and trolling.
I concede that BH's spend lots of skill points, that is true, but in exchange they get get the title of master scout and master marksman, both very useful. Pistoleers get one melee range knockdown, the rest of our shots are basically broken or worthless after 75% patch. Stopping shot takes to long to refire and hits random pool rendering it obsolete. Bodyshot2 still does more damage over time than bodyshot3. They removed knockdown effect from disarm2 at Master level. Pistoleers got nothing now. And yes most of the threads on here are asking for fixes rather than having the PvP issues adressed.
As for the "This game doesn't revolve around pvp" oppinion, I'd argue just the opposite. This game is all about pvp. The neutral faction is more like a period of time to get your feet wet and learn some skills. After doing endless and boring neutral missions the only thing left is to join a side in the war and do endless and boring missions for aparticular side.
Hey Seppen, I have 5 stars on my reply, and you have 1, so that must mean I'm cooler than you. 
Im a pistoleer, and i agree with this guy.
Pistoleer bonuses are fine. Fix what is broken. BH may not have the same xp in pistols, but the big
picture is, they use allot of skill points, so give them a break. Tired of the comparisions, get all the shots
and mods working first, then worry about it. In my oppinion, let the BH have the scatter pistol, let them
be stronger, a pistoleer still has lots of skill point left.... try master doctor, its nice to give yourself full
health in one shot........