Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Wepps resigning from BH Correspondant.
Why not move eye shot? It sucks or so I'm lead to believe by every bounty hunter I've met.
Either Eye Shot sucks in which case, moving it doesn't make a difference or it rocks in which case its placement in the skill tree is too low.
Eye shot is the only shot we have until Torso shot at Pistol 4. With it moved, the novice BH really doesn't have a viable Pistol shot to level in pistol, unless you are talking about marksman skills. I don't see why they have to wait that long.
They've got kip-up shot -- just like all the pistoleers who aren't master pistoleers are using. We've got specials too and they're all worthless until you reach master pistoleer where the speed actually makes them useful. Welcome to the way pistoleers have been forced to play. You know all those pretty boxes filled with specials that pistoleers have? If you were to remove the specials only masters would notice.
deadnewbie said:
"They've got kip-up shot -- just like all the pistoleers who aren't master pistoleers are using. We've got specials too and they're all worthless until you reach master pistoleer where the speed actually makes them useful. Welcome to the way pistoleers have been forced to play. You know all those pretty boxes filled with specials that pistoleers have? If you were to remove the specials only masters would notice."
Methinks you exaggerate a bit. First of all a Novice BH is not at the speed cap, until he moves up the tree, so he wouldn't be shooting eye shot that fast either. The fact that a shot is not at the speed cap doesn't mean it is useless either. I know the pain of not being at the cap, but it is still better DPS then real low level attacks.
According to you no Pistoleer is using HS2, Double Tap, Stopping shot, Fan shot, Pistol whip etc., until they hit master.
I guess those that dabble and pickup 0/0/4/4 Pistoleer and Smuggler Dirty fighting as part of their template are just wasting their time, and skill points.
Right!!!!
Again, you worry about how to fix your profession before messing with mine.
Ouch. Im never going to live that down. HeHe
Wepps was a little overzealous at times but he meant the best for bounty hunters. I think hes worst mistake was quiting.
deadnewbie is right. I used bodyshot2 for most of my Pistoleer xp... but that is because I was usually solo and wanted to concentrate on health dmg instead of more random dps. A BH automatically has warn shot and suppression fire, use those along with healthshot1 and bodyshot2... and a rock beetle, you can do some fairly high-level mobs (I did grassland voritor trackers on Dant, but that was using a DX2 and they were vuln to acid if I remember correct). 4k a pop and if you learn how to pull one at a time with your beetle you can do entire lairs for nearly 30k Pistol xp. I know, BHs don't want to be "relegated" to using pets.. I just used mine to pull really.
***next paragraph just explains how to pull one creature at a time from social creatures, skip if you dont need the info*** If you send your pet to attack one of a pair of creatures that help each other, immediately call it back. The 2nd creature will aggro on your pet, while the original one will do nothing. It's best to do this from about 70m away from both creatures. Once the creature gets to about 40m, open up with a suppressionfire/healthshot1 combo... just pay attention to whether or not you miss either one in case you need to repeat. This will freeze them for several seconds, allowing you to bodyshot them. Once they start running again, simply mix up warning shot in with every 2 shots. If you get unlucky and miss a couple warns, let your pet take the aggro.
It's easy to get Pistol xp, and the BH just needs to do one tree... so I can'tjustify using the excuse that it will be too difficult to level without Eyeshot. It's still cake.
here is my take on eye shot
its cheap and realatively easy to use... just press it a few times and whammo someone is cooked no matter what kinda armor they got on thier head eventually you will spam it untill someone dies
even tka headstrike which is on the third tier of precision striking and which is combat exp isnt that powerful and it should be but we dont complain about it
god knows there is enough wrong with the game to whine about something freely given to you its not even funny
my only complaint is with the self centered bh's that cry and whine about how thier class isnt viable yet they get the best weapons and the best damage out there besides maybe commando..
some would argue that tka can out damage a BH and they can if they could only hit one..
but for BH's to come here and whine shows extremely bad taste
whine on your own forums we got enough problems of our own
According to you no Pistoleer is using HS2, Double Tap, Stopping shot, Fan shot, Pistol whip etc., until they hit master.
Here's the short comparisson between Kip-Up versus the other specials for non-masters:
- Double Tap - Kip-Up has better DPS
- Stopping Shot - Kip-Up has better DPS
- Pistol Whip - Kip-Up has better DPS
- HS2 - Kip-up has better DPS
- Last Ditch - Kip-up has better DPS
0/0/4/4 and Smuggler Dirty Fight is an absolute waste of time. I've been there. What was I using at 0/0/4/4 and Dirty Fighting? I was using Body Shot 2 andKip-Up. While I was at 0/0/4/4 Panic Shot didn't even work so I didn't bother using it. Last Ditch was still too slow. Likewise, Stopping Shot was too slow.
Pistoleer specials are pretty much only useful once you reach master. I practically didn't touch Last Ditch until I reached master pistoleer.
Anyone who's doing pistoleer and smuggler dirty fighting is simply investing. They don't reap any of the rewards until Master Pistoleer then their investment bears fruit. Until then pistoleer is an absolute waste of skill points.
One thing you might want to take into account with Deadnewbie is that hes a PvPer. I have used almost all of those shots in PvE at one time or another even without master pistoleer.
Tanks wrote:
deadnewbie said:
"They've got kip-up shot -- just like all the pistoleers who aren't master pistoleers are using. We've got specials too and they're all worthless until you reach master pistoleer where the speed actually makes them useful. Welcome to the way pistoleers have been forced to play. You know all those pretty boxes filled with specials that pistoleers have? If you were to remove the specials only masters would notice."
Methinks you exaggerate a bit. First of all a Novice BH is not at the speed cap, until he moves up the tree, so he wouldn't be shooting eye shot that fast either. The fact that a shot is not at the speed cap doesn't mean it is useless either. I know the pain of not being at the cap, but it is still better DPS then real low level attacks.
You are wrong bs2 and kip up shot are both better than stopping or fan shot until master pistoleer is reached. If you see people using them, its because they look at the raw damage output, not the dps. Dont come on my forum and tell me i dont know what my shots do.
my only complaint is with the self centered bh's that cry and whine about how thier class isnt viable yet they get the best weapons and the best damage out there besides maybe commando.
BH is broken. If you don't believe it, and think BH is so uber, then you are more than welcome to pick it up and give it a whirl. I've dropped it twice now.
BH in PvP: constantly lose to smuggler/pistoleer or various uber-ness de jour, KDs don't work (even FKD)
BH in PvE: carbine specials work a fraction of the time (hardly at all on critters), no defense except armor, LLC is now rifle(so +2.5x damage mods) and specials only work at 15m. I dare you to pick up a rifle and shoot a Kunga, but don't be surprised when they hit you for 3k =)
I'm TK/commando now, and much happier...
Passion for one's profession is a good thing, and Wepp had that in spades.
But the correspondants need to also be visionaries in the grand scheme of things. Wepp failed in that aspect (as have quite a few of our esteemed volunteers).
All the combat Correspondants need to work together to get all classes balanced to put the challenge in the game. If the Pistoleer argues that his specials despite looking powerful aren't, the other combat types should get on Test and try it themselves. If the Bounty Hunters feel they have no viable attacks at lower levels, then the same thing should happen.
What is missing from the program right now is not passion. The guys and girls doing the job now have a lot of that, instead it's a sense of the bigger picture. While it's great that Wepp and others fought for their classes, the fact that they make assumptions without walking a mile in the other guys shoes or defend their positions with the same fervor some people reserve for their religion. While the passion is admirable, it ends up messing combat up even more. A cohesive, informed unit will ensure that we have balanced, fun combat sooner than the current Rifle v. Pistoleer v. Bounty Hunter rows that seem to be en vogue.
The post I would love to see the Pistoleer Correspondant make:
"Hey guys, I took a spin with bounty hunter on test for a few hours and I gotta say, they really have a point with (bounty hunter issue) (Correspondant goes on to give reasons)."
In the same vein maybe we could see this post in the Bounty Hunter forum:
"Wow, I never realized how frustrating somebody spamming eye shot at me could be if I wasn't a bounty hunter...."
In other words: These guys who represent us (and do a bang up job for the most part) should be encouraged by us (their 'constituents') to be more constructive and less reactionary in order to balance combat sooner rather than having these monthly "OMG We're GETTING FING NERFED!" threads.
BH in PvP: constantly lose to smuggler/pistoleer or various uber-ness de jour, KDs don't work (even FKD)
Hm. Let's see here. I took 3 flame singles from a commando and lived. It is easily agreed that commando flame throwers are probably the hardest hitting ranged hits around. And yet, I lived. I wonder what it was I did that allowed me to survive even though I was soloing.
Could it be ... preparations? Could it be .... spice and armor?
If you feel like running around with 1000 HAM pools, be prepared to clone frequently.
Wepps was over-zealous AND a nutjob. He was vocal, no problem with that, but his attitude really stunk. It made him the person people loved to hate. Politically, he was ruined.
No one will deny that BH has some things very wrong with it, but instead of a crusade to get things addressed to fix, he went on a campaign to show how much the BH is gimped. Combined with the fact that he thinks BH should be at the top of the food chain just because of skills spent was too much. He embodied the 12-year old PvP ub3r-1337 mentality.
Look at his latest State of the Profession. He drags in just about every other combat profession in it, and the BHprofession reads like a side-bar. He needed to concentrate on BH issues instead of doing a stare-and-compare with other professions/dabblers and how they are so much better. I canunderstand his frustrationwith saying a MBH who does spend 217 is not equal to a dabbler spending 217pts picking and choosing a template, but that what the dabbler does. A dabbler picks and chooses the best from each profession to be better than any pure profession. He wantedso desperately for the MBH to be the ultimate PvP template AND have the non-combat skills. If that would have been the case, this game would turn into BH Wars. Pure dabblers are mostly just PvP. They forego the skills that see the non-combat side of the game.He wanted to have his cake andeat it too.
Then to use examples of the EU is just plain crazy.
Asking for medical skills and changing the LLC to rifle was way out of line. The BH profession is not a pure Solo profession. Yes, you have to 'fight' marks on your own, but thereare no rules stating you can't get help indirectly form other players. That's what this game encourages.