Pistoleer Archive
Thread: All pistols temp useless in pvp?
Vrond
Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:07 am
#14
Its all about where your shooting from. If a rifleman is on you get close if a pikeman is on you get far but ever class has a role pistoleers are good for the kill the CM mission but you got to get close and have a way of healing your self from the poisons.
dola-brun
Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:22 pm
#15
you just need a few good pistols, i do pretty well in pvp with my 406 dmg geo unpup'd, or my scatter. alot of it has to do with what other people have been posting, food,drink,psg's and armor. alot of the hardcore pvp'ers are running around with 40%stun 85-90 base. that is probably where your problem is.
ithurtssogood
Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:44 pm
#16
well i have a 421 max geo.. but stun armor makes it useless.. and a decent de 10 but armor wastes that.../sigh I wish eye shot could bleed mind. ( Didnt it used to?)
BadgerSmaker
Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:38 am
#17
PvP'ers have such insanely high armour these days that direct damage just doesnt cut it, DoT's are the way forward, especially mind poison and mind fire, but then if someone has 4/0/0/0 Doc then they can heal all DoT's and 1 on 1 PvP encounters are invariably a draw.
Personally, I'm waiting on the CU before I go into PvP again.
wong-fei-hung
Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:37 am
#18
My PvP toon used to be 0040 smuggler, master pistols, 0040 BH (dropped bh, and picked up fencer now... but I use pistols for PvP still). The defenses aren't great, but I tear through most people. 40% Stun armor means I still hit for upwards of 400 (no steak or intimidate). ADK PSGs mean I do no damage with a geo, but only a handful of people have these (more Jedi than ADK PSGs floating around).
Unless I'm fighting a CM, or a Jedi, one on one with this template has been awesome. Now that I picked up fencer, even stackers have a tough time killing me (can't land states, so I keep running around in circles 
). You may want to consider 0040 smuggler, master pistols, and 4030 doc if you have the attatchments to speed cap, as this will allow you to heal DoTs... Its a pretty deadly combo.
). You may want to consider 0040 smuggler, master pistols, and 4030 doc if you have the attatchments to speed cap, as this will allow you to heal DoTs... Its a pretty deadly combo.
DonPriestt
Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:12 pm
#19
Carb and Bh Carbs is a Nasty combo:/ but i lovemy Pistoleer/smug/bh combo
BDragon
Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:21 pm
#20
Im not sure what you're doing wrong here, but i find it hard to believe most carbineers beat you.... i never lost to a carbineer as a pistoleer. Providing you have 40/90% comp (standard pvp comp!) and a good PSG then a carbineer can do little more than tickle you, even with cripple at the speed cap. Then with good geo blaster, or if the person has a psg on then scatter pistol to exploit the acid vun, drop torso on the guy and then eyeshot all the way... carbs cant hit the 'i win' area of mind and you can, so exploit that fact!
Rifleman is a totally different matter, pistoleer/BH pistols only put you almost on a par with him.. he still has AP advantage, but if your gun > his gun then pistoleer can still come out on top. You also might want to think about stacking fencer 0440 if you dont like carbineer and mele sticking states/posturing you, alternatively 0400 + medic. The state defence is more important than ranged because a rifleman or carb/BH carb isnt missing you with the small increase you could get after being pistoleer/desperado.
Thats just my thoughts and experiences tho......
Rifleman is a totally different matter, pistoleer/BH pistols only put you almost on a par with him.. he still has AP advantage, but if your gun > his gun then pistoleer can still come out on top. You also might want to think about stacking fencer 0440 if you dont like carbineer and mele sticking states/posturing you, alternatively 0400 + medic. The state defence is more important than ranged because a rifleman or carb/BH carb isnt missing you with the small increase you could get after being pistoleer/desperado.
Thats just my thoughts and experiences tho......
ithurtssogood
Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:39 am
#21
Well the dizzy kd is what kills me... I cant heal on my back like a jedi (complete bs), but besides that they can do most every state now (refering of course to carbs.). Altho I ave come to find out the more I use this temp. the better in pvp I become. So I guess I will just have to tough it out and expand within my chosen prof. ( because i refuse to become a dot whore). Thanks to all the people who chimed in with their experience and ideas its helped me out alot!
CannabiCannibanoid
Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:16 pm
#22
lol im m pistoleer/bh 3040/medic 2040/nov brawler and i have no problem pvp'ing ... well i do have hte best pistol on the server. but sticking fire then using a nice geo with stopping shot usually works best.
ithurtssogood
Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:30 pm
#23
"( because i refuse to become a dot whore)."
dot wepons i should say
Message Edited by ithurtssogood on 03-10-2005 05:30 PM
oldben69
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:10 am
#24
80/90 full comp, 2400+ doc buff's, Dancer/Musician Buff's, and here is alittle trick I learned take just one shot of Vasarian Brandy and one bite of Ahrisa and leave room for other foods like Air Cake, Accarragm, Blood chowder, Flameout, Thakititillo, Parwan Nutricake, and Etc. Might cost alot but sit back an check up some of these foods or better yet look at all the foods. Then think what would extra dodge or extra action/stam/quick do for me. Then when your set with food and drinks, goto your local spice shop an get some Neutron Pixie and Muon Gold. Just don't use them to fast first find out what your up againist. An now lets goto some of the newer loots like these nice Pistol +10 speed for 5 min Stim and the the other that gives accuracy. Then you got those Kiwi A.G's for a quick safe 6 stat boost or was it 8 need to look at them again but they do work well. Now for the skill's an what to do. That takes time to get right an you got to take note your going againist players to. What might work on one person might not work on others. Just remember you don't have to stand toe to toe againist melee fighter or do a long range shoot out with a Rifleman. Oh an if you got to fight a Jedi get some good BE cloths an first switch over to your gunman duster or cloak and then Paramiltitary camos, or normal pantsand boots, gloves if you got some. Helps your stat's heal faster and what can compdo againist a light saber anyways.
OldBen Master Combat Medic/Pistoleer
Corellia, Fatal Devotion
Drop off/Pick up Vendor In Fatal Medical Center by Shuttle port
Message Edited by oldben69 on 03-11-2005 01:15 AM
BadgerSmaker
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:38 am
#25
ithurtssogood wrote:
Well the dizzy kd is what kills me... I cant heal on my back like a jedi (complete bs), but besides that they can do most every state now (refering of course to carbs.). Altho I ave come to find out the more I use this temp. the better in pvp I become. So I guess I will just have to tough it out and expand within my chosen prof. ( because i refuse to become a dot whore). Thanks to all the people who chimed in with their experience and ideas its helped me out alot!
Even when using Thakatillo and Inthorian mist, you can sometimes cop a Dizzy/KD.
To get up when dizzy (if you dont have novice doc), you need to bind a key to a stand. Press this key and wait until you get the message that "You are so dizzy you fall down" again, if you see this message, press it again. You have to try and stay calm and not spam the key, but sometimes you can get up using this method.
The important thing is to not /stand when you are have already sucessfully stood up, as you'll be striaght back down again.
With Novice Doc it's really easy. I have a:
Doc-StandandHealstateDizzy
/tar self
/stand
/healstate dizzy
/macro Doc-StandandHealstateDizzy
Using that, if you get KD/Dizzy you can just hit a button, you get spammed with "You are so dizzy you fall down" until you get a sucessful stand, then the dizzy cure pack kicks in, you fall down again then stand up... dizzy gone.
That is one of the main reasons I will never drop Novice Doc, plus the other state heals are a life saver.
KahthLuknk
Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:24 am
#26
i was MBH/Mpist/FS Acc,speed,melee def,ranged def and its an awesome build, i had around 150-300geo (cant fully remember if thats the min) 2.6, a 450max 4.0DE-10 (dont rly need this except for jedi) and a scatter (incase they were using non-comp) i could open up with the carbine for all states but u cant do that so ill imagine from your perspective.
you want doc buffs/mind buffs/music buffs, that should set an average human (even tho im zab) at 3000/3000/2100 (add remove HAM depending on species) while your buffing down a synthesteak (%45 dmg reductive for 32 attacks, lasts an hour) also down 2 brandy. around 20mins later your stomach will be clear of food and half clear of drink, so you can now down another brandy. your now at 3000/3000/3200, use your mods to your advantage (you have high kd defence and high dodge) down a pikata pie or dodge cake combined with kd food you should be on your way to +90kd defence and have extra dodge from pikata also dont forget that dmg reduc synthe. go in with Muon/pixie/vercup at the ready, if they go for your mind use the muon, if they go for halth n action use the pixie, use the vercup anyways when your low. Combat - open up with a supression fire (to posture them) healthshot1/healthshot2/torsoshot/bleedshot, then hit spottingshot with your geo - you should find a very quick demise, and you will be hard to hit
Extra's also get 40% stun comp and 50%? PSG, you will be tough
if you have any smu, then after you supression, hit em with a panic and then a kd and use last ditch in replacement of stopping