Pistoleer Archive

So the question remains, if Pistoleer and Bounty Hunter do not have balance issues (and they don't, it is the extra classes that non-BH can use that have balance issues) then why are you still posting here?

Why are you crying to me that a (weaponskill)/Doctor, or (Weaponskill)/CM, or (Weaponskill)/CH is overpowered? What exactly does this have to do with pistols?

It seems kind of silly to post on the pistoleer board that bounty hunters aren't as good as anyone else because some 'secondary' professions that people use to compliment their 'primary' combat professions are overpowered?

xetal,

is the key issue that the professions are too powerful?

Or is it that they have too many points left to expand their power?

CH is overpowered, most people would agree with that.

Doctor is not but when combined with the 'elite' combat professions it is overly powerful....

most would agree that a Master BH/Master CH(or doctor or combat medic) would be overpowered....but since BHs are Equal To or Less Than a Pistoleer, the same goes for them as well...

simply too many points to use or the BH is simply way underpowered for the points

Well that's the way it is. It takes lots of skill to be a bounty hunter and just because it takes a lot of skill points doesnt mean you should be the most uber class. Truth be told the classes should not be balanced. I mean common this is an rpg here. It's like arguing and a guy that fights on the streets is equal to a tae kwondo master. Unfortunately for you a lot of your bh skills have nothing to do with combat. So you should not be an ultimate pvp class. Realistically a Commando or TKA should be the most uber and if you combie both you should be god.

Iebo,

Exactly on the first guess, the problem is that the 'secondary' professions become too powerful when you add them to a weapon skill. The problem isn't that the pistoleer pistol is too powerful, or the BH pistol is to powerful, the problem is that there are certain combo's that can be too powreful.

But I am curious as to what they have to do with the pistoleer. The actual problem is in the ability of secondary professions (especially ones that were not adjusted when the 75% PvP reduction was added in) to make an all-around 'super' PvP toon.

This ability is not avalable to BH to add in one of these secondary professions, and that causes problems. However, I believe that Doctor and Combat Medic will have their effectiveness in PvP reduced, and I am unsure about CH (must harder to balance a fix out IMHO).

But still, what does this have to do with pistoleer? You will find that if you take out the pistol and replace it with carbine in the 'pistol/CH, or pistol/CM, or pistol/doc' then you still have the same exact thing.

I believe that pistoleers should have plenty of points to compliment their skills (and to avoid everyone being forced into the same template), however, I also believe that some classes that were not updated with the PvP changes are overpowered when you combine them with a 'gun' class.

It isn't that the BH is weak (see: Eye shot), it is that some serious tweaks in balance need to be madebecause of the 75% PvP reduction, and until these are made, then the BH will be at a disadvantage to one of these 'unbalanced' classes.

But one last time: I fail to see how this is something that is a pistoleer issue, or something that should be posted on the pistoleer boards. Quite frankly if you think that a pistoleer/Combat Medic is too powerful because they can do ungodly amounts of poison damage then that is a CM issue... and if you think that a pistoleer/Doctor is overpowered because they can heal their health and action bars until the end of time, then that is a Doctor issue, not a pistoleer issue. The only reason that it has ANY validity for being on the pistoleer board is because the combat skill chosen happens to be pistoleer, where it could just as easily be Carbine, or Rifle, or TKA, or anything else.

lol jedi,

because this is a game and unless you balance it:
People will SWARM to the overpowered class and be cookiecutter versions of each other
People that stick with the gimped classes for RP issues will not enjoy it
Developers will have done alot of work for nothing on a class noone will use
They will have unhappy customers abound

you obviously don't know much about MMORPGS, balance is always a key goal but seldom achieved.

You're on Scylla, Gopher? Never seen you before.

Lebo answer me this. If you are a master bounty hunter and pull out a pistol to take on a master pistoleer why should you be equal with him? You just stepped into the pistoleers domain. You can use the excuse you spent more skill points but you spent far less skill points on purely using the pistol than a pistoleer.

But really classes should not be balanced at all. They should be balanced in some ways but not the ways your talking about. A rifleman should be the god of long range combat, carbineer god of mid ranged. pistol short ranged, TKA should own melee and the other classes should be good as well. So where does that leave BH where it should be somewhere in middle. The PvP should be balanced so that everyone can run around with no strategis and call it equal with KD the god of everything.

Tactics man tactics should be the key to the game not the fact that one class is more powerful than the other because using your skills right your class should be **edit** good unless the person uses their own tactics to own you.

once you get novice BH you shoot up like a rocket in weapon/combat xps and you think everyone else can to WRONG ive saw those 1k to 3k shots from green novice BHs in the hunts....and was shocked at the damage they do....

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I'm sorry, you're wrong. I have literally grinded 70k of carbine xp, and it's very, very painful, like getting teeth pulled. At novice BH, you don't any super advantage that you're claiming. It's just a lie. In fact most BH's don't even GO Novice BH until they have stockpiled the XP needed for the first box in each line pistol/carbine.

I can't comment on LLC, because it's unavailable. I heard it's even more painful than carbine XP.

As for pistoleer, look at the numbers, there are easily 5-7 times the amount of master gunfighters as there are master BH's.

And who is talking about nerfing? BH's need a boost. If they nerf any profession in this game anymore, we'll all be spamming newbie mobs for 1 point xp.

How are Pistoleers the uber class Iebo? We don't even have a weapon that could penetrate armor.

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DX2 has AR1. I have one, and it's not bad at all. very nice in fact. Post patch, prepatch it sucked.

So this is a PvP issue?

Jeez.

So you're unhappy that they took your long-midrange KD down to drop a pistoleer before they can come running up to you and get in their ideal range.

In essence, since you got nerfed (like TKA did with their KD), we should get nerfed. I don't have any of the higher pistoleer skills yet (doubletap, stopping shot), so I can't comment on those, but for my only KD I own atm, I have to be at close range. A shewd BH (read: player) should have me 3/4 dead by the time I'm in that range. Yes, I can heal myself, but if you should OWN me before I get close to being deadly. Healing takes time, and mind points. BTW, the pistolwhip KD sucks a ton of action.

You want to talk about an unfair advantage? Try being a declared Imperial dancer, one with 500 hp, and get whacked in 3 seconds by a Rebel. After awhile I got sick of getting ambushed all the time, and decided to go neutral again. It wasn't right for that character, as she had zero combat skills. The funny thing, it was a pistoleer who dropped me..LOL! You should have seen all the duel spam the guy got for killing me. My whole ent group went Imperial after that, hehe.

So the question is this:

Are you PvP, mad because you got bested a few times by pistoleers, or are you wanting to better your class as a WHOLE. Not for YOUR (appearant) selfish reasonings, but as a whole?

On the note of more pistoleers than BH...of COURSE there's a higher ratio, because the path to pistoleer is far easier than BH. I had a friend who was a master doctor quit that and go BH, because he got bored with the doc stuff. He had some decent combat skills, so he didn't have to grind his main weapon much, but when he went the other trees, it took a small bit of time.

He was so proud to be BH, but after awhile, he got fed up with the exp andthe difficulty of the missions. He switched back to doctor.

I'm not arguing that BH aren't powerful. Pound for pound, a BH should be able to take out anybody, provided they know the weaknesses of the people they go after. If they ever do implement PvP bounties, I'm sure a good BH would ask around about the mark.

And I do agree with the idea of the BH getting traps for humanoids. It would give a reason why you had to use trapping in scout.

I forgot about that gun Grunzer, unfortunatley I'm on Starsider. I have yet to see one. :-(

Iebo, in PvP, the last time I dueled a Wookie Tera Kasi, he regened faster than I could damage him, I got my butt kicked, but I expected him too. I stood toe to toe with him. Should I post to nerf TK ?

Jackie Chan admitted that if you pulled a pistol on him he would give you his cash because he's not sure he can beat you quick enough to avoid getting shot.