Pistoleer Archive
Thread: A reasonable request from a pistoleer: fix our profession
slim151 wrote:
Strikke wrote:
slim151 wrote:
yadda, yadda, yadda
You don't actually have a Pistoleer characteer, do you?
Oh, "Just food drink and spice" ARE BUFFS.
yadda, yadda, yadda? LMFAO dude you dont get it do you? if you are just a pistoleer and NOTHING else then yea you suck but if you have master TKM or somthing to help it out (like alot of people) then you build a good template that is very effective.
Oh and i posted here because i would like to get on the pistol boards once in awhile and read about a guys adventure when he went and did something cool while a master pistoleer. NOT to hear people whine about crappy pistoleer is... if it sux so bad go rifleman/cm and quit whining!! likei said we need tweaking NOT fixing and anyone that thinks otherwise just wants to have the uber proffesion for the month.
like i said before be happy with what you are for what you can do, dont hate what you are for what you cant do.
people that stay master pistoleer to whine about it are lame period.
there ya go bro
yadda, yadda....
Techdevil wrote:
I'm confused. I won't go into detail of your missunderstanding of the state of Pistoleer, but I would like a couple questionsanswered: How did you lose to a Pistoleer that was using StoppingShot? Your a MBH and you got "owned" even though you were using a comp helmet? First tell me why a comp helmet has anything to do with a special that does random ham damage (Pistoleer does not have mind specials). After you tell me that, explain how a fully buffed person with a complete set of composite stun armor can lose to a Pistoleer unlessthat Pistoleer hasa Krayted Sonic gun, but then that wouldn't be the profession killing you it would bean extremely rareweapon wouldn't it. Pistoleers are slower and less accurate with a Pistol than a BH. You can choose from 3 different weapons and a large amount of specials (true not all good but better than Pistoleers). All things being equal in food, doc buffs, armor, ect...you should never lose to a pistoleer because your accuracy is much greater and you can spam eyeshot to your hearts content. Pistoleers can spam a random ham attack or use healthshot2 which can and has been healed by either secondary stats or simply taking novice medic and heal every three minutes when needed.
It was last September/October time when the pistoleer was doing it,he had avery good FWG5 and a high quality composite helm. I still have the same pistol he was using. Back then a full set of comp was extremely rare, buffs weren't that good & he was a doctor/pistoleer. Spamming eyeshot against someone with a decent comp helm is like trying to punch a fencer.....why bother. What the pistoleers dodge didn't stop his defenses Vs did. In one form or another i've been involved with pistoleer for a long time, i do understand there are problems but like i said in my original reply it has several specials that don't fit the description, other than that it is and has always been a very good proff. We get good defenses, good speed and some execelent specials. I'd like to see the specials get sorted out too but this proff is far from broken and has some interesting changes not far down the road.
Yeah and i bet you werent wearing any armor too and he was hence why you lost. Anybody wearing comp armor makes a pistoleer or anybody using a pistol completely ineffective. It wasnt pistoleer defenses that made him so hard to beat it was his helmet and apparently all you were doing was spamming eyeshot knowing full well he was wearing a helmet. Isn't that what you BHs kept telling us to do to make eyeshot ineffective? Ya thought so.
slim151 wrote:
Strikke wrote:
slim151 wrote:
yadda, yadda, yadda
You don't actually have a Pistoleer characteer, do you?
Oh, "Just food drink and spice" ARE BUFFS.
yadda, yadda, yadda? LMFAO dude you dont get it do you? if you are just a pistoleer and NOTHING else then yea you suck but if you have master TKM or somthing to help it out (like alot of people) then you build a good template that is very effective.
Oh and i posted here because i would like to get on the pistol boards once in awhile and read about a guys adventure when he went and did something cool while a master pistoleer. NOT to hear people whine about crappy pistoleer is... if it sux so bad go rifleman/cm and quit whining!! likei said we need tweaking NOT fixing and anyone that thinks otherwise just wants to have the uber proffesion for the month.
like i said before be happy with what you are for what you can do, dont hate what you are for what you cant do.
people that stay master pistoleer to whine about it are lame period.
there ya go bro
Ya and then you go fight the rifleman/tkm and tell me how great that template would be again chum. Really man, seriously all this is and you know it, is people afraid to death pistoleers might for the love of god be competitve again. Atm all people do is drool if they see a overt pistoleer cause they know they will be getting some fps.
You keep saying get something to go with it, what we are telling you is pistoleer with nothing else sucks the worst bar none of any other profession against any other profession but perhaps pikeman whom is also not stacking with anything else. Straight profession agaisnt profession. We weren't meant to be something you dabble in to make smuggler or bounty hunter better. We were meant as is with any other combat profession to be a good stand alone ELITE combat profession and we simply are nowhere near that.
All you are doing here is proving our points throughout all of your trolling posts.
Bottom line, Pistoleer is the most broken Ranged Profession in the game atm. It may even be worse than pikeman. As far as being the worse Profession in the game, probably not. I can think of a lot of professions I've grinded on my way to Jedi that have literally nothing worth while or borning. I'm being truthful, THIS profession is absolutely the worse Combat Profession I have ever played. Low damage weapons, broken/worthless specials......oh but look at me Dodge lol. What a Joke, if you want to take a profession for dodging take up Fencer and use COB, you will see dodge (most of the time mobs miss 80%, unless were talking high level Corvette mobs).
Pistoleer right now is a waist of skill points if you want to compete in PvP or the serious mobs in PvE. If you want to compete you HAVE to take a secondary Combat profession even if your opponet is using just one. I've tried Master Pistoleer w/ Master Smuggler, still worthless now that panic has been nerfed. I added MTK and found out I had NO reason to take my pistol out anymore. I then did Master Fencer and well lets just say with the right weapon you will pwn anyone but again why would I pull out my gun. I have a Krayted Sonic Pistol that does 189-434 damage but I lose to a Fencer wacking me with a stick? Then I go against a Rifleman with the same gun, HE IS UNBUFFED, I have doc buffs and 2 brandy with 2 canalope. I was almost incapped before I won.......this is against an UNBUFFED player. The Rifleman wasn't even using a Jawa for crying out loud, he used the new Acid Rifle and just spammed Headshot. He was hitting me for 400-600 per shot. Was it an uber weapon he was using, sure but I was also using my uber weapon. I should have won easy with him not being buffed but I almost got killed. What a joke. AND THE GUY WAS A FRICKING WOOKIE. That says it all right there, I dont care about their new armor he should have died quick but didn't. I dont even want to tell you how long I lasted against this guy with his uber Powerhammer. Have I won many battle, sure. But I've noticed I only win because they can not match my weapon. As soon as a person has an equal weapon, I'm on my back cursing.
My point, ALL things being equal, you will lose ifall youuse in PvP isPistoleer. Now if you want to say "can I kill Rancors", lol. Well yes, but how is killing the most nerfed thing in the game a gauge on how good a profession is? I killed 3 Enraged Rancors at once with Master Pistoleer, all it takes is buffs, armor, and a sliced gun, not even a Krayt enchanced gun. Saying we can still go out and hunt the Bantha Fodder of the Starwars Universe doesn't exactly encourge me to use Pistol skills.
Just wanted to mention the best special for pistoleer, Fanshot. Its the best because its the fastest with good damage but remember that nice bug when shooting through walls, its a death magnet. I guess that means devs should include a sign in the Corvette, Genosian Cave, and all of Dath that says "Warning, Pistoleers will get pwn in this area using Fanshot. Pistoleers Enter at your own risk, you have been warned. Everyone else, welcome to campfest 2004".
Former Master Pistoleer and never going back until they fix the profession
Keito
He was wearing a comp helm andthat was it for both of us most of the time. No i wasn't using eyeshot much because he was wearing a comp helm, do you not read or am i typing in Mandarin.
Techdevil wrote:
Keito
He was wearing a comp helm andthat was it for both of us most of the time. No i wasn't using eyeshot much because he was wearing a comp helm, do you not read or am i typing in Mandarin.
WookieOgre
Not sure where you're getting your info on pikeman but one of my alts is a master Pikeman too and there aint much wrong with the proff. Like pistoleer it needs a little tweaking and you have to know how to play it for best effects but neither pistoleer or pikeman are broken proffs. "Pistoleer is the most broken Ranged Profession in the game"......you never tried BH then?........and if all you use in PvP is a pistoleer then you deserve to loose. Pistoleer is designed to be used with other proffs for best effect, like many of the other ranged and melee proffs. No matter how much you whine pistoleers won't get a one shot kill.
Who the hell has asked for "a one shot kill"? I want BodyShot3, a Pistoleer special, BTW, to be better than BodyShot2, a Marksman special. That is 'whining' for "a one shot kill"? Is asking for one of mylevel 4specials, AKA, PointBlankArea2 to actually be an AREA attack asking for "a one shot kill"?
Jeez, to listen to people like you, you'd think asking for WORKING specials is equivilent to asking to be a MBH.
Message Edited by Strikke on 04-22-2004 10:33 AM
Techdevil wrote:
Keito
He was wearing a comp helm andthat was it for both of us most of the time. No i wasn't using eyeshot much because he was wearing a comp helm, do you not read or am i typing in Mandarin.
WookieOgre
Not sure where you're getting your info on pikeman but one of my alts is a master Pikeman too and there aint much wrong with the proff. Like pistoleer it needs a little tweaking and you have to know how to play it for best effects but neither pistoleer or pikeman are broken proffs. "Pistoleer is the most broken Ranged Profession in the game"......you never tried BH then?........and if all you use in PvP is a pistoleer then you deserve to loose. Pistoleer is designed to be used with other proffs for best effect, like many of the other ranged and melee proffs. No matter how much you whine pistoleers won't get a one shot kill.
All i have to say pal is you SUCK as a bounty hunter. I have a MASTER BH on eclipse, a master rifleman/cm on bloodfin, master smuggler/pistoleer on valcyn. I have 39 confirmed Jedi kills of various levels. I can say ive seen it all and pretty much doen it all, I've mastered and played every single combat profession except carbineer and pikeman but my BH gives me alot of incite into carbineer as my BH dabbles into carbineer as well.
Want to beat a master pistoleer? They are strong vs KD but weak to posture changes. Spray shot + Supression fire and then whip out your LLC while they are dizzy/KD and you got one dead pistoleer. You are just a simple idiot.
You think you should beat a pistoleer with just a pistol? ROFL. Hey if thats how you been playing it you deserve to die.
Techdevil wrote:
"Pistoleer is the most broken Ranged Profession in the game"......you never tried BH then?........and if all you use in PvP is a pistoleer then you deserve to loose. Pistoleer is designed to be used with other proffs for best effect, like many of the other ranged and melee proffs. No matter how much you whine pistoleers won't get a one shot kill.
At least come in hear with a real argument, saying poor BH is the most broken profession in the game you will be laughed at and deservedly so. MBH IMO is a waist of skill points and has problems, but dont sit there and say suddenly your worse off than Pistoleers lol. If anything Pistoleers have to take BH pistols to get useful specials and speed/accuracy mods not the other way around. Westill getdemolished when fighting Rifleman, Fencer, Swordsman ect... even with those extra Pistol skills anyways.
You can fill your toolbar with real specials. You have llc, high damage weapon. You have a purpose,true a difficult one with all the bugs in hunting Jedi but still a purpose. Yes BH is broken, every profession is broken in this game. Even the uber Rifleman have something wrong with them but its overshadowed by the fact they can kill just by looking at you. If I go post a thread in the BH forum asking if they think they are worse Profession at the moment, they will say yes?
Now saying Pistoleer is just used for mods and the real power comes from other professions, your right that is howits currently used. But doesn't that mean its broken? After all Pistoleer was like Rifleman at the begining of this game, nerfed because deemed to uber. Shouldn't the switch be turned back so we can now compete? Every profession should be able to stand by themselves and not rely on going up another profession just to make them viable in combat.
Where did I say I wanted one shot kills? How about giving me fixed/new specials so I can actually use tatics in battle rather than spam 1 special and hope that I'm not dealing with a Rifleman or CM. How about increasing our dps? How about making it so as a Master Pistoleer Im not spamming one shot inPvEfor 1-1.5k at max under the speed cap while just about everyone else is spamming their special's above 2k at the speed cap. Carbineers are the only ones who can complain with us as far as dps, but then again they have some really nice specials now that they were somewhat fixed a month ago.
Strikke wrote:
FanShot is nice for hitting multiple MOBS - if you can get them into the firing arc and you don't care about aggroing nearby MOBs and you don't care about targetting Health. I've often used it to kite a group of Thunes, Snorbels, or such, but I've never seen nor heard of anyone using it to, ahem,"take out a dozen stormies at once (hardly taking a hit)".
Techdevil, this isn't quite a "dozen stormies" and the guy's composite is helping ALOT, butI have to uncram my foot from my mouth about the last line in the abovecomment.
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graeme666 wrote:that guy has fencer too
I didn't know that, but I did notice he has Squad Leader and he has Rally going. I'll probably be adding SL or CM this evening, when I've finished BE. Since Pistoleer isn't supposed to be a stand-alone combat profession, I'll see if it gets any better with one of those.