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Thread: A reasonable request from a pistoleer: fix our profession
Since you have a master pistoleer, why don't you name some of those "most effective moves in the game". Now, while you run through the skill box list, trying to find some skills that sound 'fast and most effective' to list, I'll take my Master Pistoleer and kill some durni - Iwant to put those "uber/easy to get defenses" up against a MOB who won't overwhelm them.
Well things like StoppingShot, i lost count of how many times my MBH got owned by pistoleers with a comp helmet on spamming that little beauty (their defenses saerved them well). Fanshot, allows a master pistoleer to take out a dozen stormies at once (hardly taking a hit). Pistol Melee Defense 1 'pistol whip' i've used this myself and got a KD on a krayt dragon, recently (enough defense for me to be able to walk away). Healthshot 2, might not be as good as it was but if used at the beggining of ccombat will severly reduce pool regeneration rates allowing for a much easier victory. The correct shots used with decent weaponry make pistoleer a very deadly proff and with enough points over for 1 or 2 other mastery's.
I admit that pistoleer needs some of the specials working out better but generally it's one of the finest proffs in the game. If Durni's are the best you can manage then perhaps you should ask for some help in using pistoleer or maybe try Image designer. Or just sit in the forums whining all day long instead of learning how to play a pistoleer.
Techdevil wrote:
Since you have a master pistoleer, why don't you name some of those "most effective moves in the game". Now, while you run through the skill box list, trying to find some skills that sound 'fast and most effective' to list, I'll take my Master Pistoleer and kill some durni - Iwant to put those "uber/easy to get defenses" up against a MOB who won't overwhelm them.
Well things like StoppingShot, i lost count of how many times my MBH got owned by pistoleers with a comp helmet on spamming that little beauty (their defenses saerved them well). Fanshot, allows a master pistoleer to take out a dozen stormies at once (hardly taking a hit). Pistol Melee Defense 1 'pistol whip' i've used this myself and got a KD on a krayt dragon, recently (enough defense for me to be able to walk away). Healthshot 2, might not be as good as it was but if used at the beggining of ccombat will severly reduce pool regeneration rates allowing for a much easier victory. The correct shots used with decent weaponry make pistoleer a very deadly proff and with enough points over for 1 or 2 other mastery's.
I admit that pistoleer needs some of the specials working out better but generally it's one of the finest proffs in the game. If Durni's are the best you can manage then perhaps you should ask for some help in using pistoleer or maybe try Image designer. Or just sit in the forums whining all day long instead of learning how to play a pistoleer.
So, your list of Pistoleer moves that are some of "the most effective moves in the game" consist: of a Novice Pistoleer special (HS2); a level 1 special that sporadically allows a knockdown and a shot (maybe two) that do a little extra damage (MD1); a level 3 special that doesn't target a specific pool and can burn a lot of HAM (SS); and a level 4 special that doesn't target a specific pool, only works if you can get MOBs in a limited firing arc, and brings MOBs you aren't engaged in combat with into the fight. I am underwhelmed.
When it comes down to it, except for HS2, which is usually my opening salvo against a single (or non-social) MOB, the specials you listed have very limited uses.
StoppingShot can be effective at slowing down a mob, but WarningShot or SuppressionFire1 are better and more reliable. It does nice damage, but randomly targets a HAM pool, which doesn't help unless you get lucky and get a Health hit. It is also slower than using a SuppressionFire1/WarningShot & BodyShot2 combo.
FanShot is nice for hitting multiple MOBS - if you can get them into the firing arc and you don't care about aggroing nearby MOBs and you don't care about targetting Health. I've often used it to kite a group of Thunes, Snorbels, or such, but I've never seen nor heard of anyone using it to, ahem,"take out a dozen stormies at once (hardly taking a hit)".
PistolMeleeDefense1 is great, if it scores a KD and you are trying to run away. Otherwise, the fact that the next shot you make will cause the target to instantly hop up and start attacking you again, kind of limits its usefulness, don't you think?
Until the dev team decides that they want to fix things that are actually broken, instead of just adding more fluff (they changed Pistoleer Professional titles and the description of MD2?!? Way to fix the things that matter most!), I'll have to stick with the 'Pistoleer' special that I've found to be most effectivefor most combat situations - BodyShot2. It is unfortunate, however, that the Pistoleer's most effective special ISN'T a Pistoleer special.
And as for the durni comment, you should get a dictionary and look up the word sarcasm.
Techdevil wrote:
Since you have a master pistoleer, why don't you name some of those "most effective moves in the game". Now, while you run through the skill box list, trying to find some skills that sound 'fast and most effective' to list, I'll take my Master Pistoleer and kill some durni - Iwant to put those "uber/easy to get defenses" up against a MOB who won't overwhelm them.
Well things like StoppingShot, i lost count of how many times my MBH got owned by pistoleers with a comp helmet on spamming that little beauty (their defenses saerved them well). Fanshot, allows a master pistoleer to take out a dozen stormies at once (hardly taking a hit). Pistol Melee Defense 1 'pistol whip' i've used this myself and got a KD on a krayt dragon, recently (enough defense for me to be able to walk away). Healthshot 2, might not be as good as it was but if used at the beggining of ccombat will severly reduce pool regeneration rates allowing for a much easier victory. The correct shots used with decent weaponry make pistoleer a very deadly proff and with enough points over for 1 or 2 other mastery's.
I admit that pistoleer needs some of the specials working out better but generally it's one of the finest proffs in the game. If Durni's are the best you can manage then perhaps you should ask for some help in using pistoleer or maybe try Image designer. Or just sit in the forums whining all day long instead of learning how to play a pistoleer.
This is in reply to Thunderhear's reply in here. The boards would not let me post with his quote in it.
Great thanks for stopping by Thunderheart, and thanks for agreeing. But you didn't answer any questions. I'm going to try and be as polite and PC as I can and still try to make it clear. You just pulled the typical politician reply on us. Agree, and ramble on for while, with out saying anything or answering anything. I'm tired of getting that from devs, and I'm tired of us saying this sort of thing in the proper Pistoleer forum, and getting not a single dev comment. It gets thrown into the GCW forum, and OH look, we got J3STER and Thunderheart to reply. Wow imagine that. Proof that the reason why it got put in GCW is actually happening, we are getting ignored. I understand you are the Liason for the community to devs. I understand that there is a lot of work, a lot of forums, etc. But never stopping in and making a comment in at least the three professions forums I monitor and post in, for months is unacceptable.
So, I ask you to answer and ponder these questions for us please.
1. We kept hearing the CB would fix most of our profession, and you say it again here. But the combat balance has nothing to do with something that is broken down to the specifics of a profession. So tell us how the CB will FIX our profession?
2. If the CB is supposed to fix our profession(it won't IMHO) and the CB has gotten postponed, just how long before Pistoleer will be an even 75% working profession?
3. How do we even know if we are balance or unbalance if what we have doesn't even work? For all we know we could be the badd arses of ranged combat. How do you balance something if you don't know in which direction it needs to be balanced?
) and as far as pistolmeleedefense1 and 2 i mean gimme a break... as a master of ANY proffesion there are things you just arent gonna use because they are pretty much worthless and you have better attacks in your arsenal. If i am OWNING some noob that wanted to talk smack then i might use it to knock him down just so i could laugh and tell him i pistol whipped him but other than that? I'm not gonna even ATTEMPT to use it to hit a nightsister ranger or a high level Corvette guy or ANYTHING of that nature. It would be a waste of my time and could prolly get me killed 
i mean read what it says.... a defensive attack that can knock an opponent down.... BIG DEAL!!!! its not like we can dizzy them to KEEP them down so its a temporary pause in a fight that would be better off getting novice brawler so you can just intimidate him at short range LOL (works pretty well as a pistol melee defense tactic, lol i just picked up brawler)
) Its just all a matter of perspective, which i do think for a lot of pistoleers is a little skewed.... everyone seems to want to be better than everyone else when honestly? SL and smuggler is LAME lol they NEED the revamp because when it comes down to it... those profs offer almost NOTHING to the game that in any way leans in the direction of FUN. I have a great time as a pistoleer and with my friends? i tend to be the last one standing most of the time, and IM the tank for the group.... Yea i got good armor but im buffed just like veryone else is but i just hold my own a little better because i understand EVERYTHING about my proffesion. then come tell me that pistoleer should be at the top of the list. i think we should be 3rd or 4th down which puts us at the CB lol
slim151 wrote:
OK i think theres a gew things some of you might not realize about our profession...
1) alot of our specials do work, but it must be in the right circumstances... for example fan shot is GREAT for a group in front of you with a modified republic blaster. One shot and you can put a bleed on almost all of them. From there at a good range switch to a DX2 and continue fan shot until the group has surrounded you.
2) point blank area attack. THIS ATTACK IS GREAT!!! it only works when you are surrounded by enemies at a short range. But even then it will STILL hit enemies up to 45 meters out!!!
3) i dont know what you are talking about cant solo rancors or take high level mobs. I LOVE to go to the Tusken bunker and face off with the king and all 5 of the elite guards at the same time. I can fan shot them with a Mod. Rep. blaster then switch to a good dx2 and /healthshot1 healthshot2 the king. THAT PUTS 3 DIFFERENT BLEEDS ON HIM!!! lol its hilarious. Not to MENTION i dodge almost all of their attacks. pretty simple from there.... spam health shot2 on a target until he is dead amd swiotch to the next.
NOW, i WILL ADMIT that the proffesion does need some tweaking. ( i.e. disarming shot, stopping shot, DUAL PISTOLS
4) i am i little upset that TH's proffesion is first on the list to get the hookup and we are sucking hind **edit** so to speak, but c'mon... just like carbineer you have to be a smart player to expect to be a formidable opponent. I held my own for almost 30 minutes in Kor Vela the other day against 2 imperials and one of them i KNOW was a master gunfighter by the title. Just like me a master gunfighter and him and his buddy that i THINK was a bh (KD and burns with a gun or two) fought against me for almost 30 MINUTES!!! not to mention all the Stormtroopers runnin around that just HAD to put in their two cents. I eventually died when the npc AT-ST came after me and really wore me down but i came out almost 500 fp's ahead because of all the st's i killed LOL.
Point is this... if you REALLY KNOW how to use this proffesion you can actaully be a quite formidable opponent ( provided your competition ATM is not a master rifleman or a CM
Im not here to tell you that this forum sux and that none of you know what you are talking about... im here to tell you to go SL if you want to have some fun
One more thing to any rifleman that says he sacrifies HAM cost to be so UBER is full of it. Bottom line? if im wearing my armor and not buffed i will be taken down in SECONDS because i BLOW through my ACTION. You cant say that this about HAM because if you and i are both buffed you will win every time and your HAM wont drop a nickel from you using your specials so thats a LAME arguement. You guys are UBER because the lead developer is a master rifleman. PERIOD.
anyways my 2 cents turned into a couple bucks at least but there you have it.
/SIGN
fix our damn GAME!!! NOT just our proffesion!!!
Wateo
master gunfighter at the moment...
aspiring M. Brawler/ TKM/ Master gunfighter
1. You are wrong
2. Fanshot does more damage still and has no range restriction. You will not find a more effective pistoleer special for pvp than fanshot and that alone should tell you how utterly pathetic we are. Both master specials are broken. BS3 does less dps than BS2, every other special we have is outdamaged by marksman pistol specials. tell me oh wise one more of your infinite wisdom. NOOB.
3. Bleeds are worthless and do no meaningful damage, i can kill a tusken before one tick of a bleed will even occur.
4. We are broken, least dps of any profession in the game. And to boot all our damage we do can be stimmed away or regenned via buffs as fast as we do it.
Slim. Let me ask you this about your fighting tusken Kings solo.
1. do you have any other combat professions that give you accuracy, speed or defence mods? That makes a big difference and does not count, for we are talkig purely pistoleer here.
2. Are you armored and buffed when you do this? Again, this does not really count. There are master combat professions that can go out and solo big mobs, WITHOUT BUFFS AND ARMOR. Try that sometime against Tusken Kings. Provding you're not using any other combat proffesions.
My only combat profession is pistoleer. No other points spent on anything. Marksman 4000, and mast pistoleer.
As for the specials you say work.... Well you are mistaken. There isa difference between, yea it works and shoots, but I have 4 others that do the same thing. We hav to many random HAM specials, that are just slightly varied in damage mulitpilers. And at master, any speed mods on them doesn't really matter.
Yes you are correct fan shot is good, and has it uses. Stopping is only the highest single-target-random-HAM special. Thats all. None of the disarming shots do anything special at all. Definately doesn't disarm PvE or PvP, and doesn't do anything to simulate that. Pistol Melee defence 2 doesn't do crap really, but if it had a longer KD time, and had a stun or dizzy on it, it would be very useful. If you don't use it, you're missing out. Something runs up, especially melee something, KD it, run away while shooting to get some distance. This has two effects. You get distance to kyte, and when things are prown, they take more damage from you. So a 10 second KD with stun on it would very useful for us. You just don't use cause you haven't found its use. Works in PvP too for same reasons.
And lets not forget the special at Master, the be all end all. Multi target pistol shot. I have been using it, and its a very interesting special with its uses. But its to unpredicable, and the biggest problem with it, DOESN'T REALLY DO CRAP FOR DAMAGE FOR BEING THE MASTER SPECIAL. And it has high HAM cost.
If you go read the Pistoleer Top5 and the state of our specials, you will see we have them listed as broken and/or redundant.
Oh COME ON!!!!! are you seriously trying to tell me that you SHOULDNT be buffed when you go fight anything!?!?!?!? EVERYONE gets buffed before they go ANYWHERE!! The TKM/Master brawler/fencer i hunt with is buffed ALWAYS. even before going to fort Tusken!!!! which by most accounts is LAME because mostly the commoners are way to "common".
Bottom line? i SAID that some of our specials need to be fixed but what do you all really want??? A proffesion that is identical in every way to rifleman except we get a different range mod?!?!? I mean i AGREE that we need to have some things fixed but my point is simply this... you are an ASS if you go fight the tusken king without buffs and im sorry but if you wear high level armor when you fight? you are gonna RUN through your ham. whether its health action or mind with good armor on you will RUN through it.
BTW i have soloed 3 warlords a chief and a captain at the same time as a master pistoleer with no buffs and no armor. Just food drink and spice. hard, but not that hard at all.
Heres a question... Why do you think we get the certification for a modified rebublic blaster?
Its not because we can attack one target and kill it before a bleed ever even happens. Its so shots like fanshot can bleed ALL of the targets at once. add our other two bleeds (which isnt too hard just Tab and the two hotkeys and you can run through every target attacking you in about 15 seconds) then just start beating on targets while running around to drop their accuracy even MORE. Ill be honest... as a master pistoleer i dont get hit very often ESPECIALLY against npc. The only reason i wear armor at all is because i like to stand toe to toe with 8 tuskens at once while fully buffed and kick all their asses up and down the block LMFAO. Not buffed? i will prolly die while a master commando will prolly win buti chose this profession for the FUN of it. And i believe in our friends quote.... theres nothin like a good blaster by your side
Bottom line we DO need SOME fixes but you cant honestly say that we are first on the list because some professions are screwed atm and all everyone seems to care about here is PISTOLS, PISTOLS, PISTOLS!!!! i still think other profs need alot more work before you can sit here and say that we are SO in need of help. Ask anyone i know on kettemoor. I hold my own because i know what im doing, if i get stupid and just start spamming a shot or just stand there? i get my ass whooped but if i fight like i know how? i am a SERIOUS contender and i have to give credit to little things like disarm2 and stopping shot and ALL my wonderful little bleeds oh and my dodge is WONDERFUL. Since i got brawler i can take a HELL of a lot harder guys than i could as a pistoleer alone too. That melee defense and intimidate are WONDERFUL things to have on my side. Im going after nightsister elders tonight i think SOLO lmfao just look at it from a squad leaders point of view before you sit there and say that we are in SO much need of fixing. cuz we need it, but they need it more...
all everyone does is whine on the pistol boards instead of enjoying the fact that we have a decent challenge when we go hunting. All you guys want is to be UBER and bottom line? in RL I would be sitting on a hill with a .50 calibur rifle with a 20 power scope on it picking head shots on you from 600 meters out while you slowly ran up to me, the only time a pistoleer should benefit ( and again here we need fixes) is close range with speed and accuracy. So i dont duel a master rifleman until the fix lmao. thats fine with me. my defenses let me take down a TKM farely easily. and if hes a REALLY good tkm then its a tough fight but still a fun one doesnt mean im gonna come complain that i got beat so i must be broken.
THings need tweaking NOT fixing. Little specific pool shot for stopping or disarm a little extra speed (or dual pistols which would make us SOOOO uber) and this prof would be FIXED. and i bet it will be with the combat balance, which SUPPOSEDLY isnt gonna be THAT far off... dunno about next year crap some of you are talkin...
Enjoy what you are because of what you CAN do, dont hate it for what you cant.....
Wateo
PS i LOVE being able to DECIDE waht kind of damage im gonna hit a target with, (stun, heat, kinetic, energy, etc)
slim151 wrote:
yadda, yadda, yadda
You don't actually have a Pistoleer characteer, do you?
Oh, "Just food drink and spice" ARE BUFFS.
Techdevil wrote:
Well things like StoppingShot, i lost count of how many times my MBH got owned by pistoleers with a comp helmet on spamming that little beauty (their defenses saerved them well).
If Durni's are the best you can manage then perhaps you should ask for some help in using pistoleer or maybe try Image designer. Or just sit in the forums whining all day long instead of learning how to play a pistoleer.
Know what? When you as a MBH got owned by a pistoleer then you should consider trying Image Designer...
I'm confused. I won't go into detail of your missunderstanding of the state of Pistoleer, but I would like a couple questionsanswered: How did you lose to a Pistoleer that was using StoppingShot? Your a MBH and you got "owned" even though you were using a comp helmet? First tell me why a comp helmet has anything to do with a special that does random ham damage (Pistoleer does not have mind specials). After you tell me that, explain how a fully buffed person with a complete set of composite stun armor can lose to a Pistoleer unlessthat Pistoleer hasa Krayted Sonic gun, but then that wouldn't be the profession killing you it would bean extremely rareweapon wouldn't it. Pistoleers are slower and less accurate with a Pistol than a BH. You can choose from 3 different weapons and a large amount of specials (true not all good but better than Pistoleers). All things being equal in food, doc buffs, armor, ect...you should never lose to a pistoleer because your accuracy is much greater and you can spam eyeshot to your hearts content. Pistoleers can spam a random ham attack or use healthshot2 which can and has been healed by either secondary stats or simply taking novice medic and heal every three minutes when needed.
Strikke wrote:
slim151 wrote:
yadda, yadda, yadda
You don't actually have a Pistoleer characteer, do you?
Oh, "Just food drink and spice" ARE BUFFS.
yadda, yadda, yadda? LMFAO dude you dont get it do you? if you are just a pistoleer and NOTHING else then yea you suck but if you have master TKM or somthing to help it out (like alot of people) then you build a good template that is very effective.
Oh and i posted here because i would like to get on the pistol boards once in awhile and read about a guys adventure when he went and did something cool while a master pistoleer. NOT to hear people whine about crappy pistoleer is... if it sux so bad go rifleman/cm and quit whining!! likei said we need tweaking NOT fixing and anyone that thinks otherwise just wants to have the uber proffesion for the month.
like i said before be happy with what you are for what you can do, dont hate what you are for what you cant do.
people that stay master pistoleer to whine about it are lame period.
there ya go bro yadda, yadda....