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Thread: ROTW ships: How would you correct them?
I would say do the same thing that I would like to see balencing PvP and PvE on the ground, have 2 completely different rulesets for each situation, have less handling capibilities and firepower in PvP than PvE (for example)
I am a 100% PvE player and would not like to see any change in the way things are now as with the way that a tier 5 a-wing or droid fighter can handle I am grateful for all the handling and firepower I can get my hands on. Until things like these are balenced to the players stats that are figting them I say leave them well alone, enough in this game has been nerfed due to people complaining about unbalenced issues in PvP, what about the ones of us who never partake in it? why should we lose out because if this?
Just give me an advanced A-Wing with 100k mass, so I can use my master lvl equipment, I am tired of use tier 3 sutff...all the time 
I refuse to go Imp., just to get a ship. One of my guild mates gave me a bell, I tried it ....nice...but its not my A.
Yes I am stuborn, just look at my sig....still a Ranger .....still a TKM.....still a A-Wing pilot.
JanuHull wrote:
WCO4 and WO4 cancel each other? Like hell.
Almightyrastus wrote:
I would say do the same thing that I would like to see balencing PvP and PvE on the ground, have 2 completely different rulesets for each situation, have less handling capibilities and firepower in PvP than PvE (for example)
I am a 100% PvE player and would not like to see any change in the way things are now as with the way that a tier 5 a-wing or droid fighter can handle I am grateful for all the handling and firepower I can get my hands on. Until things like these are balenced to the players stats that are figting them I say leave them well alone, enough in this game has been nerfed due to people complaining about unbalenced issues in PvP, what about the ones of us who never partake in it? why should we lose out because if this?
Starson wrote:
Just give me an advanced A-Wing with 100k mass, so I can use my master lvl equipment, I am tired of use tier 3 sutff...all the time
I refuse to go Imp., just to get a ship. One of my guild mates gave me a bell, I tried it ....nice...but its not my A.
Yes I am stuborn, just look at my sig....still a Ranger .....still a TKM.....still a A-Wing pilot.
Starson wrote:
I refuse to go Imp., just to get a ship.
So go imp to try out imperial pilot and get yourself a boltdriver, and *maybe* pick up a JSF while your at it. Put the factional bias aside, and just FLY man!
BTW, is me, or is this topic starting to go around in circles.
Message Edited by Ducimus on 08-16-2005 06:08 PM
I'll definately agree to that, though the original balance even with it's problems was better than before the RotW fighters were added. The troubles with the vulnerability of heavy starfighters, bombers, and PoB ships defaintely needs to be addressed as well, but before we can do that we need to try and bring the newer RotW ships into stats appropriate for their role.
silverlady wrote:
*ROTW ships don't fit a niche...*
You are absolutely correct, but you didn't take it far enough, Raptor
All snub fighters can do anything, and everything, not just the ROTW variety. Imo, they are all grossly overpowered, and fixing WO3 is not going to change that...it's probably going to make it worse. I know you did not say anything about WO3, but I'm just forestalling that point from being brought up.
The way it currently stands: All ships are viable for any, and all engagements, provided they are outfitted well, and the pilot is good.
While the larger ships can certainly fare well in PvP, conventional wisdom dictates that the smaller, faster, and more maneuverable you are, the better.
What this means: If you could only choose one ship to fly, most would choose a snub fighter, to be viable with little to no limitations in any scenario. There are exceptions, of course...Rapax, if you had to choose only one of your ships, what would it be, and why?
As it stands, there really are not any ships that *fill a role*, so to speak. Mass limitations alone are not enough to dictate which ships are *fighters*, and which are *capital ship killers/bombers*, and that's too bad, really.
Washell wrote:
The last time I kitted out my A-wing I used 7k/12k (900mass reactor). No changes needed for a WO3 fix, but I'm using WO4 in an A-Wing anyway so the fix won't effect that ship at all. WCO is working as intended, the only reason it seems overpowered is due to the broken WO3, but WO4 and WCO4 pretty much cancel each other out ina 2 or 3 gunned ship. So a fixed WO3/current WCO4 combo will give you a few extra shots, as intended
It are the heavy fighters that'll have the drain of 3/4 guns increased that'll be hit the hardest. I actually think other snub fighters will start using WO4 and get a damage increase once they stop staring themselves blind on the broken WO3.
Message Edited by Washell on 08-17-200501:51 AM
Sorry, I agree that something needs to be done to balance the ROTW ships into proper roles, but dude, you SAW them in episode III.. its not like theyre dev made ships or something *cough*freelance*cough*
Jedi Starfighter/Bel-22: 60k mass seems to be a reasonable amount to reduce mass to, give them a little less than A-wing manuverability since A-wing is supposed to be the best Interceptor.
RGI: Fix the Hitbox. Everything else is fine IMHO
ARC-170: I have some serious problems with this ship, in Episode III you see them blasting through squadrons of droids like its nothing with turrets and foward gun working together, I always saw them as a big heavy gunship type fighter but instead we get this crap?! Come on, 125k mass, handles JUST like the JSF, and has bugs bugs bugs. Up the mass some to about 150k to give us room for better turrets and equipment, fix the gun alignment, and fix the handling to make it like the TIE agressor, or Y-wing (maybe the average of the two?). Of course, it'll still suck in regards to hitting with the turrets, but thats another issue
Vaskai: Cant say, havent flown it.
Heavy X-wing: Havent flown it, but just looking at the stats it completly makes Y-wings, and maybe B-wings obsolete. Bring mass down to 130k or something.
Heavy Noobs- I dont mind the classic ships (ok really the onlycannon ship is the TIE)being useful at a higher tier, but dont let us launch in them with ourLvl 10equipment to grind another squadron at tier 1. Maybe 80k mass too.
Y-8: Sucks for everything. Too big to fight in, too many blindspots, cant mine, cant get admin stats, cant sit down in the pilots chair right, cant even get one now! IMHO there should be a Y-8 only tractor to get the big chunks from the 'roids, that would make it way better at mining if they get a bonus for those rocks. Add the turrets, fix the quest.
Edit: Yes, when I first got ROTW and was grinding pilot at the time, I heard about the 'uber' jedi starfighter and got one, and blew through pilot so quickly without getting a chance to try the other ships since I figured JSF was so good, why would I make a TIE Advanced? I thought 'Now that wasnt that hard, whats the big deal?' Then I tried the opressor, and the other ships. Boy, was I surprised, so I packed the JSF away to have a challenge in PvP. Then I got owned while flying my Opressor by JSFs and Bel-22s. And owned. And owned. And Owned... sure i've killed them a few times but mostly its a 1:10 win/loss ratio, so I packed a massive MK V crafted with max speed to run from those Pwnfighters. Its not really running anyways, more like cutting my losses since odds are I lose against them.
Message Edited by WingZero890 on 08-16-2005 07:38 PM
Message Edited by WingZero890 on 08-16-2005 07:38 PM
_Saevio_ wrote:
60k mass for jsf and b22? um, no thanks...
I agree, i think they should be 65K to 70K mass
(sorry, couldn't resist)
the bel-22, all the heavy recruit ships and hte JSF ALL have the same stats except 1 elss gun on the starter ships. if your going to cry about the JSF and not hte bel-22 as it seems many of you are you cant leave out the starterships.
What about the RGI's hitbox? barely see ANY complaints about that. If you cant handle it dont fly against it. learn how to take them on. not EVERYONE deserves the rank of ace pilot.