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Thread: Jedi Pilots Deserve to use force powers IMO...
No, I'm not, I rarely use WO3 anymore. Spoofing is only meant in the context of IFF scrambling, which disrupts their ability to fire, not fooking with the mechanics and causing AI issues.
Doofius wrote:
"IFF spoofing"? Sounds like you're fishing for space-'sploits.
But i like the term "handjobbing" so i'm not gonna say anything!
Just gonna look at some porn and do a little ---------------"space-sploiting!"
As a Jedi, I would love to be able to use powers in space, but completely agree that it would be too unbalancing, especially as space is the only part of the game that seems to be balanced and working pretty much correctly (save for a few guns not firing, missions not working etc etc).
However, I would like to see some sort of Jedi content, being as Jedi space combat was a big part of the films, and it is the longest grind in the game by far. Ideally, this would have been the JSF. As long as "normal" players could get a ship with identical stats (grevious?), so that there was no gameplay effect, this would have (and I expected it to be) the bone that was thrown to the Jedi to keep us quiet 
Another alternative which wouldn't affect other players is to include Jedi XP in space kills, although this would have repercussions to the BH community if JvBH PvP wasn't enabled in space...
Xato wrote:
As a Jedi, I would love to be able to use powers in space, but completely agree that it would be too unbalancing, especially as space is the only part of the game that seems to be balanced and working pretty much correctly (save for a few guns not firing, missions not working etc etc).
However, I would like to see some sort of Jedi content, being as Jedi space combat was a big part of the films, and it is the longest grind in the game by far. Ideally, this would have been the JSF. As long as "normal" players could get a ship with identical stats (grevious?), so that there was no gameplay effect, this would have (and I expected it to be) the bone that was thrown to the Jedi to keep us quiet
Another alternative which wouldn't affect other players is to include Jedi XP in space kills, although this would have repercussions to the BH community if JvBH PvP wasn't enabled in space...
Jedi content in space = Avatar Station. Don't complete the quest and you have unlimited grinding without Bounty Hunter interference.
Otherwise, NO.
SonofKashyyk wrote:ALL personal feelings aside, in the Star Wars Universe, Force powers exist in space.
How did Luke pwn the DeathStar? "Use the Force, Luke!" -Obi Wan
All personal feelings aside, you simply cannot argue canon here. Because I'll arguie it back. Obi-Wan may have said "Use the Force, Luke", but Grand Moff Tarkin said, "The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe, and you my friend are all that remains of their religion." Yoda said, "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." Jedi have no business in THIS GAME, much less in space.
SonofKashyyk wrote:It would add a whole new (and welcomed) dimension in space PVP.
If you'll read this thread, it would NOT add a "welcomed" dimension in space. In fact, I dare say that conditions around here would be nothing short of mutinous if it were to occur. Space is the last refuge from their ilk, and we like it that way.
Heres the thing, just because i finsihed my SS Ace mission and got that medaldoes NOT make me an ace or an master it just givs me the option to use bigger ships and equipment and a swanky title (and some so so clothing and a medal+badge).
Ace (or mastery as its called in this game) comes with endless flight hours spent in combat. In fact you really EARN your ace title by your peers, in the ground game the word earn doesnt really mean as much as it does up in space imo....
I earned my stripes back in the XWA/XVT years, and it helped me greatly when jtl came out, soloed almost all my SS missions (duod t4.3 and t4.4 with a friends who was on that same mission) soloed my way to the CorSec ace box all in a dunelizard (great ship, very powerful) im not saying im the best, but no way in hell did anything i had shipwise or equipmentwise mean squat if i dint know what i was doing, as im sure most veterans in here can second, sure the ship/equipment helps, but a ship is just a few metric tonnes of junk without a good pilot dont matter how good the ship and part is.
Jedi skills in the ground game enhances your characters performance by game mechanichs, to transfer that to space the game mechanics woudl have to enhance you outside in teh real world making you react faster, also raising an YPR value wouldnt "simulate" any jedi skils either tbh, the ypr is how well the engine manages to coerce the mass in motion that is your ship through space, the reflexes part come into play in the sequence eye-brain-nerves-muscle-hand-joystick(or mouse kb) NOT in how the engine works.
And how luke used teh force in space? He "felt" when to launch the torpedoes, he didnt flash aroudnd with some leet skills did he? As others have already pointed out Wedge and Han is the two reasons he made it through that fight alive, i mean he almost got cooked when strafing the turbo laser batteries the little noob
. And Hoth.. well.. who got hit twice and even got wing clipped? It wasnt wedge was it? 
Lets see where else did he fly? oh yeah he flew to dagobah.. bet he had a ton of use of his pilot skills there So to sum that part up, they cant make a simulation of force powers in space viable -imo-
/rant off
Xato wrote:
As a Jedi, I would love to be able to use powers in space, but completely agree that it would be too unbalancing, especially as space is the only part of the game that seems to be balanced and working pretty much correctly (save for a few guns not firing, missions not working etc etc).
However, I would like to see some sort of Jedi content, being as Jedi space combat was a big part of the films, and it is the longest grind in the game by far. Ideally, this would have been the JSF. As long as "normal" players could get a ship with identical stats (grevious?), so that there was no gameplay effect, this would have (and I expected it to be) the bone that was thrown to the Jedi to keep us quiet
Another alternative which wouldn't affect other players is to include Jedi XP in space kills, although this would have repercussions to the BH community if JvBH PvP wasn't enabled in space...
It was?
Ep IV - okay, Luke and Vader fight at the very end in the battle to destroy the Death Star. Han Solo, the NON JEDI, takes out Vader tho... No other "Jedi space combat" there. Majority of pilots in the attack on the Death Star were NOT Jedi, or even FS. Luke was not a Jedi, just strong with the Force with the POTENTIAL to learn.
Ep V - ummm.... nope, can't think of any. Luke (still not a Jedi) sort of got smacked down hard by the AT-ATs, and that's not really even space now, is it. It was groundcombat with atmospheric flight, which isn'teven in this game. The chase in the asteroid field? That was Solo vs some Imperial star destroyer and TIE pilots and crew. Nothing to do with Jedi in the slightest.
Ep VI - Yeah... who were the Jedi in the battle against the 2nd Death Star over Endor? Wait, there WEREN'T any... it was destroyed by Lando, Wedge and co. - none of whom are Jedi. The only Jedi were Luke, Vader and the Emperor, all ON the station as it was attacked.
So maybe you mean Episodes 1 -> 3?
Ep 1 - one "major" space battle comes to mind, with not a single Jedi to be seen. Okay, argue that 8-year-old Anakin was someday to be a Jedi... but he's NOT a Jedi at this point, just a damn good pilot.
Ep 2 - where's the space battle again? There's the Coruscant speeder chase, the middle Anakin whines / Obi-Wan plays film noir detective on Kamino, then the Jedi pretty much get slaughtered in the Geonosis arena. I must have missed the big Jedi space battle in THIS one too...
Ep 3 - there is a big space battle at the start of the film, and yes - we actually FINALLY see 2 Jedi (not a youngling, or a wanna-be, or a Sith, or anyting like that... 2 actual Jedi) flying in combat. We ALSO see hundreds or thousands of other decidedly NON-Jedi ships, pilots, droids, etc. And those Jedi don't exactly wipe out the fleets or anything even remotely close to that. Obi-Wan, a fairly skilled Jedi, pretty much stinks as a pilot. Anakin is acknowledged as one fo the best pilots, and almost blows up Obi-Wan's ship when he tries to shoot the buzz droids off. Then they pretty much crash onto Grevious' flagship to go save Palpatine. Didn't see a whole lot of Jedi uber piloting HERE either, come to think of it...
I'm out for one afternoon and I come back only to have missed the biggest flame session of the week!!!!!!
To the OP : I won't flame you as I see you've been burned to a crisp already.....I just hope you've learned your lesson. These guys took it easy on you this time, normally when someone mentions jedi in space, or pilot xp to fs conversion, or to a lesser degree full factory support.....the community usually makes them eat poop, you got off lucky.
I'm cool with players wanting to make suggestions on how to improve this game that all of us love to play (even if some of us won't admit that). But do remember, it's up to you (the guy with the idea) to convince everyone else that your idea has merit, not to flame everyone that dissagrees with you, because if you do not get the support of the community than chances are the devs will never even hear your ideas.
Manna wrote:Stuff like force heal, AI would be a great advantage and something that would be a well deserved ability for the work I have already put into my skills.
Read the highlighted bit.
Work? I wouldn't call massacring thousands upon thousands of sentinent beings 'work'.
I would call learning how to effectively fly work, it actually requires more than one braincell.
You come on here expecting a response to something you "think" you have earned when you haven't, you get annoyed when you don't get that response then flame the regulars in response, now ruining ANY chance you ever had of getting ANY help in the future on these forums.
Jedi skillz mean nothing if you can't shoot straight, if we are talking canon here, quote obi-wan kenobi in a new hope about anakin "He was the best star pilot in the galaxy" yeah but his L337 jedi skillz00r didn't stop him from blowing obi-wans wing off while trying to hit the buzz droids at the beginning of sith.. and they were both flying in a straight line.
And as has been said before, it's wedge antillies who is in charge of rogue sqaudron..not luke, wedge who took down the only ATST with a speeder during the battle of hoth, wedge who is so good that when lando asks him to take out the power regulator in jedi his reply is "copy that, i'm already on my way out" cos he KNOWS he's that good.. and lets not forget the bit where he flies down the throat of that tie at full throttle and completely wipes it out to save lukes hide in a new hope.
Jedi can play the space game if they want, they may even get very good at it, well good for you, you might want to think how good you'll feel about yourself if you master pilot without any help from your ground game skill mods.
P.S Can I use dualist stance in space /grin
psikobunny wrote:
SonofKashyyk wrote:
Manna has a valid point, we just need to get over ourselves.
Valid why, because you say so? Nah. Jedi are still the minority of players, and Jedi Pilots are a minority of a minority, and Jedi Pilots who want this change are an even smaller minority. There's been more Developer time put into the jedi minority than any 4 other professions you can name. There has to be a point where someone says, this group can't be catered to and mollycoddled any more.
Anyone can become a pilot, and they deserve to have a fun experience in space. I want space development time put toward fixing the bugs we have, improving the overall experience for EVERYONE, and then adding new things that EVERYONE can enjoy. I'm over myself, and I have a pretty rational view of where the space game can be improved. We don't need new dimensions in Space, getting the 4 we have working would be just fine. Catering to the minority of a minority of a minority for a questionable gain that could easily ruin any hope we have of a fair game for the majoirty of players is most assuredly not the path to follow.
As usual, SonofKashyyk I find your tone unpalatable. For someone who's told me that he only comes in the Pilot forums to get answers to the questions he has, you sound awful full of yourself in that post. Talking to your 'fellow pilots' like they're errant children doesn't make them wrong and you right, it just makes you sound pompous and ignorant, like the original poster. Making assertions without fact to back them up just adds to that perception. You should go back to just asking your questions and getting your answers.
Sillyrabbit, you're full of words. As the psalmist wrote, "A fool uttereth all his mind, but a wise man keepeth it in until afterwards." Calm down bunny.
It's funny that one obscure Wookiee Pilot can evoke such wrath from you. But hey, you wouldn't hound me if you didn't care, right?
I personally would like to test my skills against a Jedi Pilot who had force skills in Space. It would be a WELCOMED content addition for me. Aside from all the worn out space content out there now, it would be a CHALLENGE.
Oh yeah, and I'm a better Pilot than you.
/throwpoo
JtL is supposed to have little to do with the ground game. Well, that's not true, because of the chassis dealer, SW's, and DE's. But heck, it's supposed to be fairly independent from the ground game.