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Thread: In regards to the recent EP3 and /launchmissle posts.
That is actually a good idea... *thumbs up Death_Blossom!* 
Make it defensive only - temporarily disabling enemy craft within 300m instead of destroying them... It would be cool (to turn it into an Electromagnetic Pulse instead)... but griefers would turn it into a "Hehe watch this, I will disable them and take advantage of that to keeeeel them, I am l33t r0xx0rs!" =P
I think Maudee has every right to post his distaste of epulse. I detest it as well. Any victory that you have with epulse is no victory since it doesn't takeany skill to press a button in a turning fight to "win". So go have fun with epulse even though you have nothing to be proud of by "winning" a pvp fight with it. Most of the griefers already know about it anyways. Fortunately on Bria we are educating (Imperials and Rebels alike) our fellow pilots on how cheesy epulse is and we are seeing less people use it.
Starstrider6 wrote:
Well thanks Maudee. Had it not been for your petulant little rant and the subsequent flames, I would never have realized that EP3 was a dangerous tactic in PvP, and I never did know how to do the /launchmissle thing - but I sure do now!
Oh don't act so surprised, one of my friends on Chimaera is a forum Corro, and in the game he told me that the Devs had found a way to fix the 0 mass RE bug. I was pretty glad they did after he explained what it was! That was an EVIL bug! I didn't know anything about that either. Then again, I don't go looking for, nor do I abuse bugs.
My point here is that I play SWG for fun, and I PvP in DS for fun. I was thinking that PvP was movement, guns, and missles and I didn't know that EP3 was so powerful, so I never used it. But now I do, and not only that, EP3 is perfectly legal!
My other point is that after your long rant (and every other "vet" out there complaining about it and descrbing it in detail) I'm going to bet that I'm not the only pilot that learned about a neat new tactic for PvP, and an annoying little bug to throw at an opponent.
The irony here is that instead of making a situation better, you may very well have done a lot to make it worse. Grief players and players with a WAAC mentality just live for information like this, and you handed it to them on a platter. They will know it gets under your skin, and that is *exactly* where the grief player wants to be.
But hey, I bet you feel all better now that you've gone and vented your spleen don't you? *big thumbs up*
Message Edited by Starstrider6 on 09-20-200509:00 AM
NorLeoRo wrote:
I think Maudee has every right to post his distaste of epulse. I detest it as well. Any victory that you have with epulse is no victory since it doesn't takeany skill to press a button in a turning fight to "win". So go have fun with epulse even though you have nothing to be proud of by "winning" a pvp fight with it. Most of the griefers already know about it anyways. Fortunately on Bria we are educating (Imperials and Rebels alike) our fellow pilots on how cheesy epulse is and we are seeing less people use it.
Starstrider6 wrote:
Well thanks Maudee. Had it not been for your petulant little rant and the subsequent flames, I would never have realized that EP3 was a dangerous tactic in PvP, and I never did know how to do the /launchmissle thing - but I sure do now!
Oh don't act so surprised, one of my friends on Chimaera is a forum Corro, and in the game he told me that the Devs had found a way to fix the 0 mass RE bug. I was pretty glad they did after he explained what it was! That was an EVIL bug! I didn't know anything about that either. Then again, I don't go looking for, nor do I abuse bugs.
My point here is that I play SWG for fun, and I PvP in DS for fun. I was thinking that PvP was movement, guns, and missles and I didn't know that EP3 was so powerful, so I never used it. But now I do, and not only that, EP3 is perfectly legal!
My other point is that after your long rant (and every other "vet" out there complaining about it and descrbing it in detail) I'm going to bet that I'm not the only pilot that learned about a neat new tactic for PvP, and an annoying little bug to throw at an opponent.
The irony here is that instead of making a situation better, you may very well have done a lot to make it worse. Grief players and players with a WAAC mentality just live for information like this, and you handed it to them on a platter. They will know it gets under your skin, and that is *exactly* where the grief player wants to be.
But hey, I bet you feel all better now that you've gone and vented your spleen don't you? *big thumbs up*
Message Edited by Starstrider6 on 09-20-200509:00 AM
Which is how it should be done. The way to get players to stop doing something is to talk to them about it, not post a rant that leads to a full-out explanation of how something works. At that point you're educating people on the use of that special, and also a rant makes it obvious to any griefers that it's something to get under the skin of other players.
I don't use epulse - something you would have understood had you taken the time to actually *read* what I wrote.The fact is before Maudee went off the deep end with a rant I never even thought to use it, had no idea that it had a use in PvP. (I don't use it in PvE, either.)
Sorry if I don't happen to agree with Maudee's style, but I've been playing JtL since launch as well as many others, and frankly I'm "burnt out" on "vets" that think they can impose their will on people by ranting and whining about it.
Is EP3 lame? Yeah, the way it has been described it's a cheap win. But I also know that any pilot that uses it has a 4 minute window where they can't use it again. You can bet I'll be back in DS in less than 4 minutes, and *I* know how to fly - where they rely on cheap tactics. I'll even the score. 
Starstrider6 wrote:
NorLeoRo wrote:
I think Maudee has every right to post his distaste of epulse. I detest it as well. Any victory that you have with epulse is no victory since it doesn't takeany skill to press a button in a turning fight to "win". So go have fun with epulse even though you have nothing to be proud of by "winning" a pvp fight with it. Most of the griefers already know about it anyways. Fortunately on Bria we are educating (Imperials and Rebels alike) our fellow pilots on how cheesy epulse is and we are seeing less people use it.
Starstrider6 wrote:
Well thanks Maudee. Had it not been for your petulant little rant and the subsequent flames, I would never have realized that EP3 was a dangerous tactic in PvP, and I never did know how to do the /launchmissle thing - but I sure do now!
Oh don't act so surprised, one of my friends on Chimaera is a forum Corro, and in the game he told me that the Devs had found a way to fix the 0 mass RE bug. I was pretty glad they did after he explained what it was! That was an EVIL bug! I didn't know anything about that either. Then again, I don't go looking for, nor do I abuse bugs.
My point here is that I play SWG for fun, and I PvP in DS for fun. I was thinking that PvP was movement, guns, and missles and I didn't know that EP3 was so powerful, so I never used it. But now I do, and not only that, EP3 is perfectly legal!
My other point is that after your long rant (and every other "vet" out there complaining about it and descrbing it in detail) I'm going to bet that I'm not the only pilot that learned about a neat new tactic for PvP, and an annoying little bug to throw at an opponent.
The irony here is that instead of making a situation better, you may very well have done a lot to make it worse. Grief players and players with a WAAC mentality just live for information like this, and you handed it to them on a platter. They will know it gets under your skin, and that is *exactly* where the grief player wants to be.
But hey, I bet you feel all better now that you've gone and vented your spleen don't you? *big thumbs up*
Message Edited by Starstrider6 on 09-20-200509:00 AM
Which is how it should be done. The way to get players to stop doing something is to talk to them about it, not post a rant that leads to a full-out explanation of how something works. At that point you're educating people on the use of that special, and also a rant makes it obvious to any griefers that it's something to get under the skin of other players.
I don't use epulse - something you would have understood had you taken the time to actually *read* what I wrote.The fact is before Maudee went off the deep end with a rant I never even thought to use it, had no idea that it had a use in PvP. (I don't use it in PvE, either.)
Sorry if I don't happen to agree with Maudee's style, but I've been playing JtL since launch as well as many others, and frankly I'm "burnt out" on "vets" that think they can impose their will on people by ranting and whining about it.
Is EP3 lame? Yeah, the way it has been described it's a cheap win. But I also know that any pilot that uses it has a 4 minute window where they can't use it again. You can bet I'll be back in DS in less than 4 minutes, and *I* know how to fly - where they rely on cheap tactics. I'll even the score.
Right now it looks like I'll be facing more pilots that use the tactic, seeing as how it's been described in detail. Gotta be grateful for that right? /endsarcasm
Death_Blossom wrote:
TomoRainer wrote:
I just don't see epulse as fitting in with the general spirit of the space game. Space is more about pure ability than the ability to use level-granted skills, and to have a "skill" that is essentially uncounterable and unbeatable flies in the face, pardon the pun, of what we're about up here. I think.
At the same time, I'm sensitive to the fact there really aren't many pilot specials that are useful, and that any change that comes as a flat-out nerf is a poor change. I'm a smuggler too. Nerfs blow, and I know that.
What I'd like to see, then, is a change to epulse that shifts it from its current un-JTL-like state to something that is undeniably useful but also within the spirit of the space game. I don't think such a change would be difficult to conjure up, it's just a matter of deciding it's worth the resources to change.
What if Epulse was truely like an electromagnetic pulse? It could temporarily disable all systems or drain power from all systemsin all nearby ships (much like some pilot skills that disable systems temporarily). it wouldn't bleed shields off the affected ships but would leave them unable to regen them for a short duration. The triggering ship would have shieldsand cap temporarily disabled and drained, but still has some engine power left to escape. The disable times would be almost identical, maybe two or three seconds shorter for he affected ship(s) and resetting all droid progs on the triggering ship. It could make it so all ships hit with it are affected, so it would limit it's use in both PvP and group PvE.
I'd rather see Epulse turned into a defensive/evasive tactic more than an offensive/first strike tactic over being removed or nerfed. If anything needs to be removed, it's the useless pirate trap skill freelance gets.
Under those conditions, you might as well take it out of the game entirely, as it would be completely worthless. Under this scenario, the affected ship would be unattackable and back in business before the "epulser" could even move. In addition, the epulser would lose all their droid settings, putting them at a huge disadvantage. Basically, you're describing a "commit suicide" button.
FeydmanKassan wrote:
Under those conditions, you might as well take it out of the game entirely, as it would be completely worthless. Under this scenario, the affected ship would be unattackable and back in business before the "epulser" could even move. In addition, the epulser would lose all their droid settings, putting them at a huge disadvantage. Basically, you're describing a "commit suicide" button.
Let me start by saying that I have not problem with the concept of epulse or even using it. However, it too easy for it to be abused. Here is my 2 creds:
Epulse should be more like lastditch (the smuggler ability). It damage should be linked to the amount of damage that the user has taken. ie. if you have taken 2000 pts of damage to your shields that is how much damage you do with an epulse. This makes it retain its usefullness and yet limits it use to a "last ditch" situation. Therefore, the freelancers still get to keep thier epulse and the rest of us don't have to worry about being epulsed before a blaster is even fired in a dogfight.
Starstrider6 wrote:
Well thanks Maudee. Had it not been for your petulant little rant and the subsequent flames, I would never have realized that EP3 was a dangerous tactic in PvP, and I never did know how to do the /launchmissle thing - but I sure do now!
Oh don't act so surprised, one of my friends on Chimaera is a forum Corro, and in the game he told me that the Devs had found a way to fix the 0 mass RE bug. I was pretty glad they did after he explained what it was! That was an EVIL bug! I didn't know anything about that either. Then again, I don't go looking for, nor do I abuse bugs.
My point here is that I play SWG for fun, and I PvP in DS for fun. I was thinking that PvP was movement, guns, and missles and I didn't know that EP3 was so powerful, so I never used it. But now I do, and not only that, EP3 is perfectly legal!
My other point is that after your long rant (and every other "vet" out there complaining about it and descrbing it in detail) I'm going to bet that I'm not the only pilot that learned about a neat new tactic for PvP, and an annoying little bug to throw at an opponent.
The irony here is that instead of making a situation better, you may very well have done a lot to make it worse. Grief players and players with a WAAC mentality just live for information like this, and you handed it to them on a platter. They will know it gets under your skin, and that is *exactly* where the grief player wants to be.
But hey, I bet you feel all better now that you've gone and vented your spleen don't you? *big thumbs up*
Message Edited by Starstrider6 on 09-20-200509:00 AM
Dear Starstrider6,
Fear not I have realized the error of my ways. So I must apologize. I'm sorry for inventing EP3. I'm sorry for inventing forums. I'm sorry for writing the first EP3 post (In regards to the RECENT EP3 and /launchmissle posts.... ??!). And above all I'm sorry for those poor souls wearing pink polo shirts with popped collars (Wow, who decided that was a good idea??).
Next time a balance breaking issue comes up I'll be sure to do my best to cover it up immediately with the hope that developers never look into it. After all, who would ever want fair play?
/end rant #2
-Maudee
Coran_Sienar wrote:
Heh. Kinda like the Rebel "Emergency Shields" command...
This is so true it's not even funny...
Maybe if this didn't knock out your guns it'd be worth using every now and then... but not really.
How about just giving Epulse a five to ten second delay from when activated to when it fires. It would be like a little warm up time as the capacitor and shields prepare to fire off the actual attack. During this time the shields of the ship using Epulse would begin to glow or something so anyone around the Epusler could get out of the way if they see it and if they don't, well, bye bye. If you see this warming up animation and don't break off or blow up the other ship before the Epulse, well, then you'd probably follow an Imperial into a nebula. In other words, you're suicidal. 
Just an idea, it's probably already been suggested, I just managed to miss it. 
Everything that needs to be said here has already been said by Maudee, Tek, Rapax, Nes, and all the other pilots that help out on these forums and fly with skill and honor in game. I'm seriously suprised and dissapointed that things like this even need to be discussed. So let me say this:
If you want to be cheap to win, then do so. The game will not stop you. Just stop trying to justify it and accept it so we can all get back to being helpful and improving the game and the gaming experiece on these forums.