Pilot Archive
Thread: ROTW ships: How would you correct them?
LeaphChausew
Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:25 am
#79
JediNg wrote:
I don't use WO3 andI can kill other JSFs with 2 level 6 weapons with relative ease. I don't usually fire more than 10-20 shots in the course of a fight 1 on 1 fight that lasts about 5mins, give or take 3 mins.. So, does that mean I'm better? Or that you 'spammers' are worse?
Message Edited by JediNg on 08-15-2005 09:19 PM
spamming shots is a bad idea generally I think unless you're a very aggressive player.
I find that constant blasting means that soemtimes due to your weapons refire rate, you might have a split second shot lined up with someone but the opportunity passes because your weapon isn't ready to fire again. However, sometimes like in group based pvp I'll spam shots. Depends on the situation and how good session I'm having.
Thing is, fixing WO3 would probably screw me over. I got one waepon slot and a not overly powerful gun to boot and it takes at times 8 direct hits to bring down some of m better opponents at times. They should also fix the RG TIE hitbox before they mess with WO3. Imagine scoring a valid hit on an RG TIE but due to no WO3, it not doing much damage? I'm already having 30minute battles with some of those guys as it is...I really don't want them dragged out any longer.
JediNg
Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:57 am
#80
Oh yeah, Fighting an IGI, then i'd be spamming a little. Don't run into those too often, though.
Message Edited by JediNg on 08-16-2005 04:05 AM
Washell
Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:06 am
#81
Isamu-alva wrote:
Imagine one day you log on and your AV-21 is suddenly getting overtaken by noobs in x-31's, how are you going to feel having gone through all that to get your quested item to find it's suddenly worthless.
We don't want to have them nerfed to oblivion. We want them balanced with the old ships, they may even be slightly better. As long as they're not twice as good as they are now.
JSF being the worst, half the hitbox, twice the mass, twice the guns, twice the YPR.
Washell
Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:08 am
#82
Fixing WO3 won't effect you much. It's much more painfull with 2 or more guns.
LeaphChausew wrote:
Thing is, fixing WO3 would probably screw me over. I got one waepon slot and a not overly powerful gun to boot and it takes at times 8 direct hits to bring down some of m better opponents at times. They should also fix the RG TIE hitbox before they mess with WO3. Imagine scoring a valid hit on an RG TIE but due to no WO3, it not doing much damage? I'm already having 30minute battles with some of those guys as it is...I really don't want them dragged out any longer.
LeaphChausew
Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:24 am
#83
Washell wrote:
Fixing WO3 won't effect you much. It's much more painfull with 2 or more guns.
LeaphChausew wrote:
Thing is, fixing WO3 would probably screw me over. I got one waepon slot and a not overly powerful gun to boot and it takes at times 8 direct hits to bring down some of m better opponents at times. They should also fix the RG TIE hitbox before they mess with WO3. Imagine scoring a valid hit on an RG TIE but due to no WO3, it not doing much damage? I'm already having 30minute battles with some of those guys as it is...I really don't want them dragged out any longer.
Ah good point. I guess in that respect I can see how it'd be more balancing if they did fix it then. Iwonder ifa lot of pilots who fly the GSF and the JSF might even stick to one gun and fly using WO3 rather than two guns and not if it was fixed?
Kitten_Starsider
Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:35 am
#84
I am kinda glad that so long after ROTW we can have a mainly constructive post about this. Shortly after ROTW release it was a horror to even suggest such a thing due to the amount of new never-flew-before-ROTW pilots clinging to their comfortable composite in space.
Despite that huge amount of flaming and nay-saying in that thread there is some valid ideas (especially by Vegitaa) which should be considered too. Please note that this thread was before we knew that the RG Tie had a broken hitbox.
Plunda
Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:09 am
#85
i agree with some of the other people insteed of Nerfing the New ships, lets just Bring these old ships up to par , mostly if the PYR was better on half these ships i would be using them!, and the Heavy V is a cheat, take that stupid crap out, it runs the whole thing, c'mon i mean a Scyk with 95k mass? heavy Vships should be droped 40k, thats almost 3 times what the normal versions have.
DeepFatFryer
Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:14 am
#86
If we "Bring the old ships up to par", there'll be even less reason to use the higher-mass, old ships.
Imagine if everything was JSF standard. Interceptors would dominate even more than they do now.
Imagine if everything was JSF standard. Interceptors would dominate even more than they do now.
Plunda
Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:18 am
#87
well i didnt really like that fact that i was Pushed into getting a JSF, just to "hang" with the boys. i realy hate seeing 30 people in the same ship. i would love to be using a Tier 3 ship, and still know i can handle my self vs a Vette or alittle pvp.
Isamu-alva
Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:28 am
#88
Plunda wrote:well i didnt really like that fact that i was Pushed into getting a JSF, just to "hang" with the boys. i realy hate seeing 30 people in the same ship. i would love to be using a Tier 3 ship, and still know i can handle my self vs a Vette or alittle pvp.
Exactly, one of the things that the CU did do right is bring the old style armours back into play, so everyone wasn't running around in composite anymore.
If they apply the same model to JTL and make the old style ships viable again without nerfing anything that would make me happy.
How about this, a quested schematic for experimental and long thought lost engines or weapons for the classic pre-rotw ships that could increase the handling / speed / YPR / damage, had a low mass but was a specific component to that ship and only could be used in say, an old style x-wing.
Much like some of the elite components can only be loaded into a POB ship.
ShoginArmada
Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:31 am
#89
Ive flown most of the new ships, save the heavy X. What would do:
JSF: drop the mass down and get rid of the missle. 55k mass isnt that bad.
B22, same but 60k mass.
IGI fix the hitbox and add a nose gun. (yea a nose gun, with the igi like it is, the four bolts will past over a jsf. a nose gun wouldnt overpower it)
Heavy X lower the ypr mods on it.
Vasky: lower mass to 70 but add another gun. maybe mount it over the cockpit
The nub starter heavies: lower mass 20k but add another gun.
y8 add more turrets and fix the quest (im tired of hate tell about how i have it yet they cant get it)
Annnnddd..add more parts! i want air jets to spin my ship and make it whip around.
JanuHull
Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:41 am
#90
Plunda wrote:
well i didnt really like that fact that i was Pushed into getting a JSF, just to "hang" with the boys. i realy hate seeing 30 people in the same ship. i would love to be using a Tier 3 ship, and still know i can handle my self vs a Vette or alittle pvp.
You really don't "have" to get a JSF to hang with them. They're not invulnerable. The issue with them is that they attract a lot of people who have no talent whatsoever for flying who think they deserve the galaxy because they rode in the back of a Y-Wing, Aggressor or Krayt to get to Tier 4.
And yes, I am saying that these people have no right being anywhere near my level of performance because of a ridiculously overpowered spacecraft that's practically handed to them for a song.
Plunda
Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:56 am
#91
i dont really see how the JSF is really that overpowered from the tier 1 havey V Scyk, i mean i ACED in my Teir 1 Scyk. One huge Gun around 4.5k dmg and a Fast engine. i have been running with 7k mass 1050.00 Shields, since tier one, and the only quest i pulled friends in on was my Ace, and the one to get the Vaksai. i mean with my JSF my 2 guns are about 3.1 dmg and 13k mass so ya more dmg. but still i dont care, i would love to be flying a Dune IF it could move better i mean,
you get a Ship at tier 1 THAT Stat Wise is "better" then then JSF. i mean that is just Stupid. but yes, i agree JSF should be a Master ship along with the Belbulb (which i cant use Becasue of the " ..has 5 Badges, Badge" bug) i mean seriously at tier 2 i LOVED my ship! but was pissed to have to "upgrade" to somthing move moveable. and i needed new Eye Candy from the Stupid Scyk.