Pilot Archive
Thread: so, i went PVPing in a Scyk.... and Aramiss was in his Z95...
Don't get me wrong--not everyone plays fair, and there are still pilots on both sides that fight cheap. Generally, though, attitude is pretty good.
aramiss wrote:
no, ther is no way to actually enforce the rules that we may create, but apparantly the pilots on Starsider have no problem following theyre player created rules, so bria can do the same, but your implying that its a waste of effort to try to make rules, and its not, I personally don't care about missiles, but the epulse thing shoudl be forbidden becase its bugged, the RGI should be forbidden because its bugged and loadkilling, or spawncamping should be forbidded too because its messed up, and ruins everyones fun
and in the end, if the rules we create aren't being followed, i'll just leave and go to starsider where the pilots apparanly do follow the player made rules, however i think they will work just fine
if you noticed, the pilots on starsider aren't crying about missles. also, people say there's some kind of IGI rule, funny, i was invited to come there and participate in an ALL IGI wing. the only thing that changed the leaders mind was the mistaken info that the IGI couldn't be hit from the sides. people frown on spawn camping on starsider? huh, cause every time i've been in DS on that server with my toon i've been spawn camped.
also, the crux ofPVP on starsider primarily lies in a created event, with a more easilycontrolled environment. if they were to adopt an inane 1 tube rule, it'd be easier to follow, but there's no way to make people adhere to it. there are common sense rules that apply to non DS PVP that are followed there to keep the event from breaking down, of course you probably need those kinds of things, and those are easily enforced because you don't want the same to happen to you outside of DS. that's entirely different than the care bear party you are proposing.
DS is a PVP zone. nothing, not a single thing you can do, can force players to your idea of what is fair and what isn't in there. if they don't want to.
so by all means, start something relatively controlled like starsider has on bria. try to throw in a bunch of arbitrary rules. come back here and let us know how it went. from what i hear of bria i'm sure it will go over well...
This thread is hilarious.
It actually just reminded me why I shouldn't bother arguing about epulse. Thanks for the kind words Halyn and Kreind.I've written and rewritten this post about eight times but I couldn't keep it polite and justified because too many viewpoints etc are going through my head so I'll just say this.
Some people need to become acquainted with the word 'Charlatan' because that is what they currently are. They need to back down, empathise and look at things from other people's points of view. I'm never a charlatan. Yup,I make errors in my information quite often...but I'll always see reason if there is reason. What is happening here is the self righteous application of personal oppinion which I am finding quite shocking and phallicious (I think I made that last word up...).
Btw Janu...don't think that the above is pointed at you. I actually respect you quite a bit. Not that having my respect counts for anything but /shrug you got it so er..lucky you! 
Some simple facts.
1. PvP isnt always fair but we can work to make it more enjoyable.
2. Missiles can be countered easily from one opponent even from a TIE Oppressor. What you do is weave like a thing possessed and if a missile launch is still made vs. you, you break away in the most obvious opposing vector and chaff three times if it's an oppressor. Hell...I'll chaff four times just to make sure.
3.Epulse sucks somthing awful. I hate it and as far as I can tell from my very exstensive experience...it cannot be countered short of using someone as live bait which frankly I find unacceptable but meh thats just me. Just get over it though and avoid epulsers if they keep doing it to you...Personally, I'll keep working at 'getting around it' somehow. I remember a while back people saying that an A-wing was obsolete but I actually proved them wrong in quite a flashy way if I may say so myself so heh...the sky isnt' the limit.
4. Norram, leave Kreind alone, Kreind...ditto. You're both reasonable people but you're making the mistake which I've made before of flaming each otheron a public forum andopening yourself up to petty critism which isn't pretty. swallow your losses and make up..I won't be taking sides as I'm friends with you both.
5.Just throwing this in for fun...kill ratios etc are pointless.
Empathy is a good thing and should be excersised and I'm giving out general critism because I'm more than willing to take it myself.
Oh also...Starsider pilots are no better than the 'aces' on other servers. They're just more numerous thats all. You can't really knock them either, I mean...they have a good 'understanding' between factions and it works so saying it doesn't is simply pointless. As for you being loadkilled on Starsider when you've played there /shrug...wasn't me or anyone I know who plays there.
Respectfully,
Message Edited by LeaphChausew on 09-13-2005 05:13 PM
but anyways on the missile thing, since this seems to be the hot topic.....i will basically agree to anything with missiles, i don't use them, i won't use them, i don't like to use them so i won't, so i could care less if a ship has 3 launchers, i have countermeasures.
and with the rules thing again, i thought of how they would work properly......see, a little background, i was in the army for 6 years, and as you know, theres a lot of rules, and your unsupervised a lot, and for the most part all of us soldiers followed most of the rules when noone is looking......why INTEGRITY thats why, if you agree to something, you better damned well do it. if every pilot has a little integrity, the rules we make can work fine, its not like were asking much....leave the RGI at home till its fixed, keep your finger off the epulse, and don't hang out near spawn points for the sole intenton of spawn camping, not like were asking for very much
quadpers0n wrote:
problem with that analogy: what happened in the army when 1 person decided not to follow the rules? what happens to that same person in the game?
nothing.
also, what happens if the IGI is working as intended and it's never fixed? what happens if a dev comes up and says "nah we like epulse"?people can never use one again because you don't like using missles?
the IGI's hitbox is almost the same size as the JSFs. it's not protected by the wings, it's hard to hit because visually people aren't used to aiming for a small point on a model, and because it's a 1.0 speed ship. personally, find the JSF to be difficult to hit with blasters (but as easy as an IGI to hit with a missle.)so why not adopt my rule too and say no JSFs.
billy blanks over there hates a-wings. hmm let's adopt his rule of no a-wings.
johnny c wants to abolish all possibility of spawn camping, he says we make a rule that nobody can come within 3km of a base. what, his rule isn't valid?
you see? you have no way to enforce it and opinions vary as to your rule's merit.
quadpers0n wrote:
problem with that analogy: what happened in the army when 1 person decided not to follow the rules? what happens to that same person in the game?nothing.also, what happens if the IGI is working as intended and it's never fixed? what happens if a dev comes up and says "nah we like epulse"?people can never use one again because you don't like using missles?the IGI's hitbox is almost the same size as the JSFs. it's not protected by the wings, it's hard to hit because visually people aren't used to aiming for a small point on a model, and because it's a 1.0 speed ship. personally, find the JSF to be difficult to hit with blasters (but as easy as an IGI to hit with a missle.)so why not adopt my rule too and say no JSFs.billy blanks over there hates a-wings. hmm let's adopt his rule of no a-wings.johnny c wants to abolish all possibility of spawn camping, he says we make a rule that nobody can come within 3km of a base. what, his rule isn't valid?you see? you have no way to enforce it and opinions vary as to your rule's merit.
bah, whatever, im done arguing with you, i may as well argue with the wall....seriously, don't bother repling, if you want to continue this with me, i won't answer
but anyways on the missile thing, since this seems to be the hot topic.....i will basically agree to anything with missiles, i don't use them, i won't use them, i don't like to use them so i won't, so i could care less if a ship has 3 launchers, i have countermeasures.
and with the rules thing again, i thought of how they would work properly......see, a little background, i was in the army for 6 years, and as you know, theres a lot of rules, and your unsupervised a lot, and for the most part all of us soldiers followed most of the rules when noone is looking......why INTEGRITY thats why, if you agree to something, you better damned well do it. if every pilot has a little integrity, the rules we make can work fine, its not like were asking much....leave the RGI at home till its fixed, keep your finger off the epulse, and don't hang out near spawn points for the sole intenton of spawn camping, not like were asking for very much"
NorLeoRo wrote:"nicely put leaph
but anyways on the missile thing, since this seems to be the hot topic.....i will basically agree to anything with missiles, i don't use them, i won't use them, i don't like to use them so i won't, so i could care less if a ship has 3 launchers, i have countermeasures.
and with the rules thing again, i thought of how they would work properly......see, a little background, i was in the army for 6 years, and as you know, theres a lot of rules, and your unsupervised a lot, and for the most part all of us soldiers followed most of the rules when noone is looking......why INTEGRITY thats why, if you agree to something, you better damned well do it. if every pilot has a little integrity, the rules we make can work fine, its not like were asking much....leave the RGI at home till its fixed, keep your finger off the epulse, and don't hang out near spawn points for the sole intenton of spawn camping, not like were asking for very much"I was in the army for 8 years. Just got out. I know what you mean.
thats cool, i never would have guessed
but anyways, are you in charge of a pilot squadron? i'd like to see the interest and stuff amongst the rest of bria on following a set of rules, i for one already follow the rules we already talked about, i won't loadkill, and hey, my ship only can carry one missile tube, and im reb, so no epulse for me, and im reb, so no RGI either.
you know what we should do.....is do some practice pvp'ing, i know i could use it, and it would make deepspace more interesting, fights lasting more than 2 seconds
dhara squadron CO is baden/calden, both are the same guy, may want to have a word or 2 wiht him about rules, im sure he'll be receptive to the idea
and guild warring and etc. 
oh and K, im always up for space pvp. its fun now that im getting the hang of it