Pilot Archive
Thread: In regards to the recent EP3 and /launchmissle posts.
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MasterNicodemus wrote:
EP3 is perfectly legit. You don't like it being used on you too bad. its one of the few things that a privateer gets thats useful. Most of their ships are huge targets and usually don't last long.
They see a Krayt and think oooh pretty...big target...let kill it.
Then...BZZZZT!
Hrm...maybe I should change the name of my Krayt to that... The Bug Zapper....
Great Post Maudee!
There is no tactic or counter to Epulse. And to the people who say stay outside of 300m.... that is a load of crock. I challenge you to vape someone in a turning fight outside of 300m.... and i'm not counting getting a lucky shot on someone on the h2h pass... i'm talking about a full twisting, turning, sliding, juking mess. I bet you don't even reach 250m from your opponent.
Right now since the ONLY reason to pvp in space is to have fun, using EP or /launchmissle has no place. We PvP in space for fun, honor, respect, etc. When we finally get an actual war that affects the GCW in space, then I might change my views... but as of now those tactics are not tactics... they're cheap.
And if you don't want to fight another person, then don't go to DS. Simple as that. There are countless number of other systems you can PvE in.
wasj2004 wrote:
xTekx wrote:
Great Post Maudee!
There is no tactic or counter to Epulse.And to the people who say stay outside of 300m.... that is a load of crock. I challenge you to vape someone in a turning fight outside of 300m.... and i'm not counting getting a lucky shot on someone on the h2h pass... i'm talking about a full twisting, turning, sliding, juking mess. I bet you don't even reach 250m from your opponent.
Have you not been reading? Not every ship is designed for turning fights. There is no way a rihk can out turn a smaller ship. Does that mean I should never fly it for PvP? No. It meens if you ingauge a rihk or other heavy slow turning fighterYOU need to adjust your tactics. A heavy fighter dosent stand a chance twisting, turning, sliding, juking as you put it.
Right now since the ONLY reason to pvp in space is to have fun, using EP or /launchmissle has no place. We PvP in space for fun, honor, respect, etc. When we finally get an actual war that affects the GCW in space, then I might change my views... but as of now those tactics are not tactics... they're cheap.
Expecting a heavy fighter to beat you by twisting and turning and whining to take awayour only defence to it is cheep.
You're right--a Rihk shouldn't try to engage in a turning fight. But does that mean a Y-wing pilot who doesn't have epulse should never PvP, since they don't have epulse? There are successful heavy fighter/bomber pilots in factional ships who don't have to result to a damned cheap I-win button.
"--Michael Stackpole, RS IRC
wasj2004 wrote:
Have you not been reading? Not every ship is designed for turning fights. There is no way a rihk can out turn a smaller ship. Does that mean I should never fly it for PvP? No. It meens if you ingauge a rihk or other heavy slow turning fighterYOU need to adjust your tactics. A heavy fighter dosent stand a chance twisting, turning, sliding, juking as you put it.
I agree launchmissile is cheep, EP3 I do not. Expecting a heavy fighter to beat you by twisting and turning and whining to take awayour only defence it is cheep.
xTekx wrote:Great Post Maudee!
There is no tactic or counter to Epulse. And to the people who say stay outside of 300m.... that is a load of crock. I challenge you to vape someone in a turning fight outside of 300m.... and i'm not counting getting a lucky shot on someone on the h2h pass... i'm talking about a full twisting, turning, sliding, juking mess. I bet you don't even reach 250m from your opponent.
Right now since the ONLY reason to pvp in space is to have fun, using EP or /launchmissle has no place. We PvP in space for fun, honor, respect, etc. When we finally get an actual war that affects the GCW in space, then I might change my views... but as of now those tactics are not tactics... they're cheap.
And if you don't want to fight another person, then don't go to DS. Simple as that. There are countless number of other systems you can PvE in.
qfe.
EP3 is perfectly legit. You don't like it being used on you too bad. its one of the few things that a privateer gets thats useful. Most of their ships are huge targets and usually don't last long.
however dummy missiles although fun are not legit in DS, though rather humorous to throw at noobs at the landing station.
While it's what some people will call a dishonorable tactic, it exists.
I am prepared for it, and I EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN.
I do not get into a tight looping fight with a person that uses EP3 regularly.
I will try to hit them BEFORE they come into range.
The lower their sheilds energy is the higher the probability that I will survive an EP3 burst.
If I am unwilling to find tactics that will work successfully against an opponent, that is a failure on my part.
Ducimus wrote:
Personnaly im burnt out on this.
Ive come to the conclusion that its a question ethics and generation.
Simply put, the majority (not all, but most) of the pilots who've been playing for a long time now consider EP3 and luanch missle unethical. Pilots who havent been in the community as long do not. I suspect its a bleedover mentality from the ground game, as we undenaibly have more people from the ground in intrested in space. Why should they think any different in space then they do on the ground? Where as a number of old fogies, the only reason they play SWG at all is JTL.
The attitudes and queensbury rules of fair play that made our community different that we've traditionaly followed have always been slowly erroding away slowly on the edges with each newcomer who just doesnt see things the same way. That is just my personal opinion.
When things get to a certain point, I, much like Starkitten or JebusCrisp, simply wont post here anymore.
I hate to say it but I have to agree with you.
Most of us who have been playing JTL since launch or beta have a different outlook on the game then the rookie groundpounders or casual pilot badge hunters. While I still feel that EP3 has it's place in PVP so long as it isn't abused, I have yet had a need to use it and most of the "old school" freelancers who I fly with would probably use it but haven't had a need to..especially when they are packing 2 or 3 One Hit Wonder mega cannons. I view EP3 as being like Last Ditch Shot. As one poster said, if you're engine is out and you're going to die anyway, you may as well take the other guy out with you. If both pilots are Aces, they will know who really won, and then set up another match. If one or both are just aces, then there will be crying all around. And in that case who cares. Let them cry.
But as I've said before....if a person uses EP3 as a crutch to make up for a lack of piloting skills, a good pilot will ALWAYS win in the end. Skill beats button pushing everytime. Same goes for the 4xxx RGI pilots. The ones who know they are flying a bugged ship always seem amazed when they get shot down. Their crutch just got kicked out from under them. Skill beat their bugged ship.
Using fake missilies to lag....yeah...no better than loadkillers.
blah blah blah
you guys realise you're starting to whine as much as bh and jedi do, right? i like to red the pilot forums because most people are just sam jackson type cool. no flames, no 1337speak, just bunch of gorwn up, cool ass REAL pvpers. now you're starting to sound just like those other kids
I hate getting hit with EP3. i hate geting ht with a proton. i hate having to fight a RGI
I also hate going overt on the ground and getting jumped by 5-10 overt Jedi. I hate how the devs pretty much have said "eff the timeline". I hate trying to actually get something done with the GCW and when i look out over the battle field all i see are sabers.
EP3, RGI, missiles, are no dif then Jedi on the ground. they're not impossible to beat but they do take the fun out of things if you don't learn how to adapt. I adapted by not doing ground PVP anymore because unless your a jedi or have a MCM/BH your screwed. so now i only pvp in space where it takes real skill not all of these imaginary "rolls" and percentages and chances to hit.but to be honest i find all the stuff you "hardcore" pilots cry about to be laughable next to the crap we have to put up with on the ground. every last on of you needs to s-t-f-u, get over it, and adapt. you don't like RGIs, missile them to death. i do. you don't like ep3, missiles them to death before they can use it, you don't like geting missiled to death don't get locked on to. jezus! i fly because it's fun and it's a nice change from the round game and people are cool. if i get shot up i get shot up. i go back to the station, reset my commands, then get right back into it. and yeah i've had peole use nothing but ep3 on me and yeah it gets on my nerves but when that's all they use it's pretty easy to beat them. loadkillers on the other hand should get beat up in real life
Message Edited by KaiRan on 09-19-2005 01:32 PM
Ducimus wrote:
>>The countermeasure to the Epulse is very easy and costs nothing. Just don't get within 300m.
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How do you manage that in a dogfight, exactly? Especially against more than one player at once?