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Thread: Please reduce the Eta-2 Actis Interceptor's superior abilities.
Y'know.. a thought just occured to me.
If "everyone" thinks these ships are so out of balance and causing so many problems... why is it all the experienced Ace's still fly them?
With all the sanctimonious speechs about Nerfing them, balanceing then, etc.. If every "Ace who cares about balance and PvP" stopped flying these wouldn't that mean the only people using these ships would be a bunch of newbie's and such?
I fly my JSF pretty rarely and mainly in PvE. If I'm heading to DS I switch to what I believe is a more "fair" pvp type ship. I try to avoid the B22 andETA2 due to their reputation in PvP for being an "I Win" button (though I do not believe they are). So for those that want to see them go away.. just don't fly them. Learn to compete with them and watch things change.
Soon as people realize that they are not the "I Win" button, and that people in normal ships can take em out they'll adjust their styles and fly other ships. BTW.. we had the same problem before ROTW. Here's all you would see in DS... Awings, TIE Oppressors, the rare TIE Intercepter (only 4 pilots I knew of flew intercepters in DS pre-ROTW). There was no diversity then, what makes you think there would be now even if they nerf'ed these ships?
Imps complained that AWings hit-box was tiny (even though the TIE Intercepter was almost as tiny) AWings had more mass than Intercepters (true but being an Imp means you need to know how to work with low mass)... so the story is the same except now the complaint is these new ships. Change AWing to JSF, change Imp to "anyone without a JSF" and you have the same thing we've had since JTL launched.
There's always going to be a ship considered "the best", everyone that doesn't have it will always cry to nerf it, and the pilots who are really good will just figure out how to beat it. The tempo changes but the song remains the same.....
Message Edited by Vegitaa on 07-14-2005 02:11 PM
Vegitaa wrote:
There's always going to be a ship considered "the best", everyone that doesn't have it will always cry to nerf it, and the pilots who are really good will just figure out how to beat it. The tempo changes but the song remains the same.....
Everyone talks about the speed of the jsf and bell-22, my TIE Interceptor, RG TIE and A-Wing are faster.
Leave the nerf calls to the newbies. I shoot down bel-22's and JSFs all the time, TIE Interceptor / A-Wing > Bel22 JSF.
Whether the JSF/Grievous IS in fact unbalanced is not much the issue HERE. It is More of an issue with experienced, well educated PvP pilots than with the young greenhorns. Frustration is a fact of life for Anyone starting a new endevor. Though the author of this post would most likely argue that he is, in fact, highly skilled, highly versed, etc, etc He would be wrong. The complaint at the Heart of this thread is just That, a COMPLAINT. He's upset, and frustrated. His desire, his objective, and his ability do not converge, and there in lies... Frustration!
He can See what he wants, he can taste it, but the actualization of it aludes him, and thus, he whines, complains, seeks to find what the problem could be, for, to the New eyes, the fault can NOT lie within, Up to this point, obstacles have been overcome, barriers broken, and, excellence has been his. He has achieved. and now, Achievement is Denied... How?! Why?! It cannot be! and yet, it is, over and over again, yet.
As a newb pilot approaching Medocrity, I encounter, ALL the time, Younger, Newer Pilots who run through this gamut on a regular basis. I am lectured, cajoled, corrected, by fellow guildmates who feel they have gained great skill, and yet cannot complete a mission without aid, and then... I ask them... Have you ever heard of something called... "Droid Commands"? 
Certainly the original author here has. He is far more progressed than those I speak of, and yet, the syndrome is the same. With each step One takes forward, Miles appear to have been crossed, and yet, the obvious Benchmark remains unmet...
He is UNABLE to compete with a JSF, where as, many of you responding find them a Challenge, but NOT an insurmountable obstacle.
If there ISa nerf to be made, OR, more likely, an Overall balancing issue, it MUST be described AND discussed by those experienced And knowledgeable. While the input of those of us who are Young and yet still earning our TRUE wings (not merely that Title of Ace) is of some value, you can see here, that it Hinges on US, revolves around us, The JSF is NOT the issue, the issue is that HE cannot do "it" where it is whatever is in front of him. and that is true of ALL us newbs. The obstacle is not outside, it is Inside. While it Might be true that the JSF has too small a hitbox, that is merely a coincidence. In this person's eye the JSF was THEIR intended prey, and, it was NOT to be denied, that it was must mean that there exists some flaw OUTSIDE, and, the eye chances upon the obvious... I couldn't Hit it, it's small, ergo, I couldn't hit it because it was small.
Not, I couldn't hit it because I can't aim
Not, I couldn't hit it because I can't fly
NOT, I couldn't hit it because, Damn, that pilot was GOOD!
Hell, there is NO respect here for the opposing Pilot. Has anyone noticed this? NONE. How often have we seen that when good pilots speak of their battles? Either talking of a win, or, conceding a defeat? There MUST be respect. If you didn't win, couldn't hit your opponent, Had your doors blown off, or in some OTHER manner were shown off... Then that Pilot did something better than you, and, you need to learn what, and to LEARN, you must first acknowledge. There is no acknowledgement here of defeat, in any way shape or form. This pilot is looking for an Out, and that out, is the size of his opponent. Not better flying, not better engines, Not WORSE engines (on his part), not worse flying,
His analysis is that he lost because his opponent cheated, and, he even takes This away, by saying that it was the DEVS who actually did the cheating, and, this poor Hack simply rode that horse in to town.
Cuddos Sir, on a job well done.
Message Edited by HewerofWood on 07-14-2005 05:21 PM
Salco wrote:
So you all think the midget ships are OK, that it all depends on the pilot to either conform to the New World Order of space pvp and use midget ships themselves, or "fly better"...I still don't know what that means, seeing as prior to the JSF I was a very good pilot, and I still am against ships with normal-sized hitboxes.
You choose to fly the vaksai in PVP. you CHOOSE to fly the vaksai in PVP. If you don't want to fly the Midget ships, that's your choice too. But don't come here and complain about them when you aren't good enough in the Vaksai to take them down.
This post is informing if nothing else.
I remember when I first started flying against the JSF. God they were tough. I complained about the balance issue, and still do to a point. However, I have learned to deal with them. I have taken them down. They are Beatable. And while they are definately out of balance, they are not the win-all, be-all ships. I do see A LOTof JSF in space now. But not everyone is flying them. Some people even stopped flying them. (Starscream Wicked TF you have now) Even the grevious is a tough ship to take down, much like the JSF. But, when you learn what those ships do, then you'll do much better.
In the end, it doesn't matter how out of balance a ship is, you still have to KNOW how to fly. Bottom line. And when you know how to fly, you know how to adapt. And I fly a 100k Xwing still. So i've learned and adapted to their flight style.
Mox ShehalisCan we make a mantra or something of the often quoted saying of "Learn to fly"?
Or.... maybe make it where the Tom Petty song "Learning to fly" song plays when read the Pilots forum 
Salco wrote:
As I said, it's flying so fast that you can't even aim properly at it; it's got a hit box the size of my pinky.
Edit: And I'm not going to fly one because becoming part of the problem doesn't fix it.
Message Edited by Salco on 07-14-2005 07:45 AM
I kill them in my A-wing, so does my friend Growken. In fact, he named his A-wing 'JediStarfighter Crusher' . Genious!
That boy is getting a bonus in his squadron wages this month...
-Leaph
Salco wrote:
I've killed Interceptors and A-Wings. They do not compare to a JSF.
and just because I saw this... BLASPHEMY!!!
I can assure you, if you can't hit a Jedi fighter, you'd lose against my A-wing. The hitboxes are pretty similar actually and the RG TIE is the hitbox you should worry about.