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Thread: Why doesn't space-PvP have damage mitigation?

LeaphChausew
Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:32 am
#40

I'm not even going to post anything constructive in this thread..how many times have we had this subject now? /Yawn.


Basically...I'm bored.


-Leaph



Ducimus
Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:54 am
#41



LeaphChausew wrote:

Basically...I'm bored.

-Leaph






Ditto. I think my new diversion will be my new guild. Teaching/helping/training about space and might be the next guild SW.. in addtion to farming slicing comps in space might be my new fulltime pursuits.

Everything else.. im just losing my enthusiasm for.



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xTekx
Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:47 pm
#42






Ibixat wrote:





xTekx wrote:

work? they dont' know what that means? they think they get whatever they want when they want it if they cry enough? oh wait, that's the jedi forum.. sorry

Message Edited by xTekx on 07-09-200505:50 PM







Keep your anti-jedi sentiment where it belongs, in your withered little hateful heart. Them being a jedi and you being a bounty hunter has nothing to do with the issue. You must feel big and cool bashing on him being a jedi because you're a big bad BH but it has NO place at all in a discussion about space PVP. So go crawl back under a rock in the BH forums if you want to moan about jedi some more, it has no place here. And just in case your deluded little mind needs a refresher, even those who 'exploited' the respec system for jedi (and jedi were not the ONLY ones who exploited it, many a crafter/ranger turned MBH arose from the respec system) had to "work" as hard or harder than any ohter profession to do it. And I won't even presume to know how hard you 'worked' at getting your professions, since that would make me more like you.





I only have BH to supplement my Smuggler. I don't hunt Jedi. How's that sound? Different eh? You assume just because I have BH that I HAVE to hunt jedi so I HAVE TO be anti-jedi. But that's not hte case. I'm anti-jedi for other reasons. I respec'd to BH, yes. But not so I could hunt Jedi. It just happens to be a great template that suits me well. I have 3 base busting professions in 1 since I also have commando. Before the CU hit I wasa Smuggler/Pistoleer/TKM. Also a Smuggler/Pist/part Fencer. And I worked VERY DAMM hard to get to those 3 proffs. I don't go grind just so I can have such and such. I play the game and when I get there I get there. But I havemy reasons to hate Jedi. And I don't visit the BH forum. Nor the Jedi forum.


However, I said that because that is the mentality that seems to be portraited by Jedi these days. Look at all the fixes/publishes/dev attention the Jedi get. So get your facts straight before bashing me. Yes there are good jedi out there. And there are jedi I respect. But those are all pre-pub 9 jedi. Not these "got it easy" jedi.


I will however try not to "bash" jedi on the pilot boards, even though I don't think it was a bash, just a general view held by a lot of people. It has no place on the pilot boards.


But let me ask you a question... Are you a jedi?



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riotcontrol
Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:37 pm
#43


Treena_Daal wrote:
I say again, if you are caught off guard while overt, you deserve to be blown to bits. I don't care what you are doing, you should be spamming the Z key every few moments. If there are no players in range, you don't lose your target. If there are, you don't need to be shooting at it anymore. NPCs are infinitely less lethal. If you're caught off guard, that's your problem, not a flaw with the game.




Treena_Daal didn't write:
I say again, if you are caught off guard with a TEF, you deserve to be slaughtered. I don't care what you are doing, you should be checking your radar every few moments. If there are no players in range, keep attacking your target. If there are, you need to run away ASAP and wait for your TEF to go away. NPCs are infinitely less lethal. If you're caught TEFed, that's your problem, not a flaw with the game.




Treena_Daal didn't write:
I say again, if you are caught off guard while SF, you deserve to be beheaded by a lightsaber. I don't care what you are doing, you shouldn't be SF if you don't want to fight Jedi. If there are no Jedi in range, keep attacking your target. If there are, you run away quickly and call for more Jedi to be your backup. Normal professions are infinitely less lethal. If you're caught SF with the possibility of Jedi Special Forces being around, that's your problem, not a flaw with the game.





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Treena_Daal
Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:53 pm
#44

If you want to get into a debate about the difference between choosing to be PvP active and having it thrust upon you as a side effect of trying to play the game, I'd be more than happy to go into that with you. However, I don't think this is exactly the place for it.
Starson
Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:12 pm
#45

The real reason is because of all the u33er master pilots that think they know how to fly, will not be able to sneek up on someone and 1,2 shot kill them. These are the same players that calim they mastered xwing vrs tie, and all the other Star Wars flight sims....never saw the 1, or 2 shot kill in those games. Oh well I guess I will stay pve, where there is a challenge.



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xTekx
Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:15 pm
#46







Ibixat wrote:

Why yes, I am, I unlocked april 26th 2004. Back when we had a cool creation system, skill loss (I was on break during permadeath time frame) saber tef and all the goodies. You didn't work for BH skill mods yet you lay claim to them as if you earned them even after admitting respeccing to them, and commando appears to be a respec as well, so your "base buster" is not something you earned, it's something you respecced to, but you "have reasons for hating jedi" Well I have reasons to hate respec'ers who took base killing profs. So we can call it even. As far as not hunting Jedi, big deal, your open disdain for someone you never met shows me enough of your character. Seriously, for someone who has had "everything handed to him" on the ground you sure seem to have some saber envy.





Saber Envy? LOL gimme a moment to pick myself up off the floor from laughing.. I have No desire, none at ALL, to become jedi. You can even ask my guildies....I've evenbeen given nickname of Jedi Nazi by a guildie because I hate the Jedi Profession so much because of what it has done with the game.


Yes I respec'd to BH and Commando. Big deal. I still had to work to get the profession i had before so I would be able to respec... Smuggler/pistoleer is some what of a reduntant template wouldn't you say? So I respec'd to what I thought would be a good PvP/PvE template. Tell me though. You have an alt since you're a jedi. Did you repsec your alt to what you wanted him to be? The whole purpose of the respec was to allow people to get to the template they wanted from the template they had because all the professions were different. So I see no problem with people respec'ing to something when they had full templates already. I didnot like the fact that "jedi" took advantage of this. But, whatever. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.



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xTekx
Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:21 pm
#47






Starson wrote:
The real reason is because of all the u33er master pilots that think they know how to fly, will not be able to sneek up on someone and 1,2 shot kill them. These are the same players that calim they mastered xwing vrs tie, and all the other Star Wars flight sims....never saw the 1, or 2 shot kill in those games. Oh well I guess I will stay pve, where there is a challenge.






That coudln't be farthest from the truth.. the people who are really into pvp are in it for the fight and adrenaline rush. not so we can go "sneek up on someone and 1, 2 shot" them.


Also there were 1 and 2 shots in XvT. Lets see... The Tie Fighter(TF) was the easiest one to one shot. Hit the ball cockpit and bam, back to the respawn they go. Tie Interceptor(TI) was both. Sometimes one shot, sometimes 2. Did you even play that game? Z95, 2 shotted a lot, sometimes 3. Xwing was 3 shots... Awing was 2-3 shots. Tie Advanced 2-3 shots. I played that game a lot. Though I dind't "master" it, I felt I was a pretty decent/good pilot. Not the best, but I never claimed to be the best. Thereare pilots that I know that could wipe the floor with me with out even blinking. One of the first games I ever did in XvT I watched a guildie rack up 70+ kills against who he called decent pilots. Some people are just better flyers then others. Wish people could get that through their head when they've been "1-shotted."





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Ducimus
Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:27 pm
#48



Starson wrote:
The real reason is because of all the u33er master pilots that think they know how to fly, will not be able to sneek up on someone and 1, 2 shot kill them.





Come on man, i thought you were more informed then that.

For those of you who just don't get it, heres the deal post ROTW.


-You have high manuverablity ships with 80-90K mass.

-They go super fast, and are really small, therefore hard to hit.

-Because of the out of porportion mass to manuverablity people are strapping in lvl 8 shields and engines.

-80 to 90% of the time, a single L7 or L8 gun will not inflict enough damage to effect a ships subsystems.

- Beause of the high speeds and small profile, hitting your target has a high probably of taking awhile.

- Score a single hit, and its immediatly shunted.

Rinse and repeat for 10,15, maybe even 20 mins until someone gives up, makes a mistake, gets lucky and gets a max damage hit in, or you wear the guy down enough to where you can score a good solid hit. Honestly in Deepspace i have taken to aiming at engines specfiically, just to slow the guy down and make him less manuverable so i can get a better shot in. If i dont, the hit is wasted, hes back to 100% and the dance goes on forever.


I think last sunday i had three, 15 min dogfights, almost back to back.
My arm was sore, and it got boring after the first 5 mins of the first dogfight.

If you want to add reduced damage on top of that, no one will ever die.

That's the real deal, accept it or not, your choice.



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Time wasted playing MMO's:
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"I'm really bored."
...has mastered the Pilot profession
Ibixat
Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:42 pm
#49


xTekx wrote:

Tell me though. You have an alt since you're a jedi. Did you repsec your alt to what you wanted him to be?



My jedi was the unlocked alt, I started with a jedi initiate skill box and no ohter skills and the inability to gain any others, my "alt" is my main character which ended as a BE/TKA (BE being my 31's profession to unlock) and was later re-done into several other professions, I've personally done every profession at least once except for politician, you din't earn your current template any more than the jedi you hate who respecced into theirs. You were given it by soe, same as many many others. You hate jedi for some deep rooted personal reason, that is called saber envy, Jedi didn't ruin this game any more than you personally have. If you don't like what the game has become that is your problem and not anyone elses "fault" stop tossing blame around and quit if you don't like where the game is.



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xTekx
Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:53 pm
#50






Ibixat wrote:




xTekx wrote:


Tell me though. You have an alt since you're a jedi. Did you repsec your alt to what you wanted him to be?





My jedi was the unlocked alt, I started with a jedi initiate skill box and no ohter skills and the inability to gain any others, my "alt" is my main character which ended as a BE/TKA (BE being my 31's profession to unlock) and was later re-done into several other professions, I've personally done every profession at least once except for politician, you din't earn your current template any more than the jedi you hate who respecced into theirs. You were given it by soe, same as many many others. You hate jedi for some deep rooted personal reason, that is called saber envy, Jedi didn't ruin this game any more than you personally have. If you don't like what the game has become that is your problem and not anyone elses "fault" stop tossing blame around and quit if you don't like where the game is.





No it's not called "saber envy."


And if you can't see where the jedi have ruined the game, then there is no point in debating this with you if you're going to be blinded by your profession. besides this doesn't belong on this forum.. so lets get back to discussing pilot stuff here.



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Treena_Daal
Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:28 pm
#51



Starson wrote:
Oh well I guess I will stay pve, where there is a challenge.



You're kidding, right? There are very, very few things in PvE that can legitimately be called a "challenge".
Ducimus
Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:52 pm
#52



Treena_Daal wrote:


Starson wrote:
Oh well I guess I will stay pve, where there is a challenge.



You're kidding, right? There are very, very few things in PvE that can legitimately be called a "challenge".




And THAT is coming from the 'PvE Correspondant'!



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Time wasted playing MMO's:
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