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Thread: My New Loadout

S-1-l2-H-C
Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:24 am
#40

why are you attacking him?


and as for being forced to use legit parts, thats not entirely true. i still got a nice 25k mass l8 shield laying around, but i aint gonna use it.





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Harotak, Imperial Ace, pilot of the RGI "No Quarter" and the "ISS Enforcer"
Katorah, Corsec Security forces, Captian of "The Unrelenting
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JeebusCrisp
Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:26 am
#41



S-1-l2-H-C wrote:

why are you attacking him?

and as for being forced to use legit parts, thats not entirely true. i still got a nice 25k mass l8 shield laying around, but i aint gonna use it.






I'm attacking his misplaced defense of an exploiter, not him personally.

Yah, I'm quite sure you've got several exploits still available to you. It's not like anyone honestly expects YOU to do anything legitimately anyway.



If a poisonous snake is dropped on top of you from a gyrocopter, don’t freak out and shoot your own driver with your arrow gun, making the vehicle lose control and blow up. Its probably just as scared as you are.
TheRoninCorp
Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:32 am
#42

Heh... Shows what a Idiot I am here then...... I aced Storm what seems like eon's ago. Started flying day 2 of JTL's release. I NEVER used / knew about this stuff. Why? I never needed to. Flying for the Empire my mass has always been one up from a Sardine can and I enjoyed hunting for better parts and squeezing in the best equipment I could find. It was like a hobby. All of my Imperial crafts had about 6lbs left in thier mass. (My JF has 6k left and it drives me nuts ) But I had a blast doing this. I aced the Storm this way, and anyone flying for them understands what a battle that can be.


People who used exploits or cheated well... all I can say is that you missed out on some fun. Cheating / Exploits for the win is about as boring as it gets. As for your Ace? Bleh.. You didn't earn it. Nerfing? Bleh... more like fixing. BUT! I would welcome a 1 v1 with you any day of the week with your exploited ship vs any of my ships.



Again, its too bad. People that went this route basicly lost out on 90 percent of the fun in Acing missions. But like a lot of people thesedays in SWG all people care about is the Badge, to be UBER, or what not.. They don't care about the Challange, Journey, ect getting there. But from what I have seen also , most lack any information, skill, ect what so ever about the game/professions becuase they never took the time to actually learn things before they cheated/exploited/ect thier way to the top. The are infact "nUb's" Funny having lvl 80's adn aces asking basic week two questions......







Salinar
Imperial Ace, Storm Squadron
Never argue with a Idiot, He will just drag you down to his level and beat you with experience"

Do you know what it means to feed the Gods?
Alarien
Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:57 am
#43

I would "no comment" this thread, but I'm officially incapable.


Ostat knew and admits he's a cheat. He doesn't deserve his wings, kills, ace status or anything else in space at this time. He's not so much arrogant as he is "aloof."


That said, the issue is getting fixed. Anyone who wants to know how good he really is will have their chance to blow him to little pieces in the near future, in a fair ship... if they can.


His past is tainted and we can sneer all we want, for all the good that will do.However, this bs exploit does not totallyunbalance the game for other players (other than unfairly winning over some others in PVP...which results inabout zero sum loss, so... wah...)If he's up in DS after the fix and fighting and winning or dying, then I'd say draw a new judgment. If he disappears from space now that the "fix" is going in, lump him with the j3dorks who live for their exploits and flee like cowards when they are put on an even playing field.


Arguing here may help blow off steam, but that's about all it does. I despise cheating and cheaters, but I really just don't see the point of this.





Alarien Evenstar
-Rogue Paladin-
Starsider
JeebusCrisp
Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:03 am
#44



Alarien wrote:
the issue is getting fixed. Anyone who wants to know how good he really is will have their chance to blow him to little pieces in the near future, in a fair ship...




Nope, can't happen.
You miss the part where he's admitted to having more exploited equipment lying about than just the 0mass parts?
Dude's not interested in playing fair, and what reason does anyone have to believe he WOULDN'T be exploiting?



If a poisonous snake is dropped on top of you from a gyrocopter, don’t freak out and shoot your own driver with your arrow gun, making the vehicle lose control and blow up. Its probably just as scared as you are.
LeaphChausew
Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:22 am
#45






JeebusCrisp wrote:





S-1-l2-H-C wrote:

why are you attacking him?


and as for being forced to use legit parts, thats not entirely true. i still got a nice 25k mass l8 shield laying around, but i aint gonna use it.









I'm attacking his misplaced defense of an exploiter, not him personally.

Yah, I'm quite sure you've got several exploits still available to you. It's not like anyone honestly expects YOU to do anything legitimately anyway.





You have no idea how much I've had to put up with spam wise from people annoyed about this bug. Don't preach to me about it k? I didn't even make use of the bug. It annoyed the hell out of me for sure, but I just felt well..whats the point? It took SOE this long to do anything about it and yeh its wrong of Ostat to make use of it but...he wasn't the only one.


Hell, my best friend irl quit the game because she was so annoyed about this 'bug'which she'd known about for a long whileand thats what annoyed me so before anyone goes and gets all high and mighty...it should be -me- who is uberly overly annoyed about this whole affair. Dumicus too...but at least he didnt get the spam from disgruntled players ingame or having a good friend quit over it.So yeh..I could be -very- p****ed off with Ostat and the fact this bug was even possible, but I got better things to do and I have to remember also that Ostat has contributed many excellent worthwhile things to the pilot community in these forums and ingame on starsider and Bria....and that has to count for somthing.


So in summary...people should stop being so high and mighty, relax some...and maybe take a look at themselves every once in a while askign themselves...how much have they contributed to this community. I'm not saying anyone here hasn't for one second...but you cannot deny, that Ostat has.


-Leaph


Feel free to tear my frame of mindto pieces. I'm getting used to it.

Message Edited by LeaphChausew on 07-29-2005 11:32 AM

S-1-l2-H-C
Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:30 am
#46

i flew around in ds for a couple hours last night but no imps showed up for me to test my new ship on. i need to duel leaph.



____________________________
Starsider:
Harotak, Imperial Ace, pilot of the RGI "No Quarter" and the "ISS Enforcer"
Katorah, Corsec Security forces, Captian of "The Unrelenting
Harotak', Rebel Terrorist
JeebusCrisp
Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:33 am
#47

So all one has to do in order to justify whatever exploits they wish is to 'contribute'?
ROFL.

Why's it so important for you guys to defend him?
Why is it SO blasted important to continually make excuses and allowances for someone to CHEAT?

His own reasons don't even make any sense. 'I was bored 'cause the game's too easy' SO YOU MAKE IT EASIER?

Just come clean guys and say 'He's a friend of mine and I refuse to hold my friends accountable for their actions.'



If a poisonous snake is dropped on top of you from a gyrocopter, don’t freak out and shoot your own driver with your arrow gun, making the vehicle lose control and blow up. Its probably just as scared as you are.
Ducimus
Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:38 am
#48


LeaphChausew wrote:
Dumicus too...but at least he didnt get the spam from disgruntled players ingame or having a good friend quit over it.




Leaph, when are you going to get my forum handle right? Rapax will do too.

As for this bug, one reason i quit the game for a month, well this bug was a major contributer to my decision to quit the game. Knowing how badly this game is F**ked Up Beyond All Recognition, i have no idea why i resubscribed. Even with this bug fixed, this game is STILL cheated to hell and back. Your friend mentioned to me otherways ppl cheat here, but didnt (thankfully) give me specifics. But it sounded alot like how ppl cheat in other games with speed hacking, and packet sniffing from a machine placed between the server, and the client computer.

Suffice to say, other uknown exploits are likely to exist, and one shield exploit continues to exist. Now, toss in Out of balance ROTW fighters that turn space upside down even without the cheats, and onther misc bugs that contine to persist and well.. again, JTL is FUBARed.

People chewed me out because i used an RGI. Take everything ive mentioned in this post, and realize that my spirit for the game, is broken. I just dont care anymore, whats to care for? Its already gone to hell, and anything worth preserving has been throughly trashed.

yet i still play, now theres a sign of an addict. Maybe i need to go to MMO 'holics anonymous and get my head examined.



Major Rapax Victis - Commando
Time wasted playing MMO's:
Meridian59, Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call 1 & 2, Dark Age of Camelot, Anarchy Online, Earth & Beyond, Eve Online, Planetside, Star Wars Galaxies

"I'm really bored."
...has mastered the Pilot profession
LeaphChausew
Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:39 am
#49






S-1-l2-H-C wrote:
i flew around in ds for a couple hours last night but no imps showed up for me to test my new ship on. i need to duel leaph.






I'll happily duel you. I really have no idea who will win, but you've played this game longer than me and your knowledge exceeds mine (obvious from the amount of correcting of my views you do..which is fair enough since most of the time you're right) so yeh...


I just really do think people need to relax a bit. I'm not for a moment saying people take the game too seriously..I mean, if you didn't you'd not improve -but- what I am saying is..caring too much over one thing/person can have negative effects on a personality...and more importantly, ingame attitude.


Lets leave the trash talking to those select Jedi in their FS grinding groups k?


-Leaph [No I'm not a hippy]



LeaphChausew
Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:54 am
#50







JeebusCrisp wrote:
So all one has to do in order to justify whatever exploits they wish is to 'contribute'?
ROFL.

Why's it so important for you guys to defend him?
Why is it SO blasted important to continually make excuses and allowances for someone to CHEAT?

His own reasons don't even make any sense. 'I was bored 'cause the game's too easy' SO YOU MAKE IT EASIER?

Just come clean guys and say 'He's a friend of mine and I refuse to hold my friends accountable for their actions.'





Nope. You obviously missed the part about me being annoyed about it. In fact..I didn't even really become friends with Ostat 'till after the exploit was fixed. I never 'hated' him or disliked him...I didn't like the attitude very much, but I'm not shallow enough to allow somthing like that make me let rip at someone with hate tells and abuse. I admit, I trned a bit of a blindeye to it because he'd helped me in the past with ideas on how to set up my ship [may I stress fairly] so that on it's own is proof he knows how to play the game. Also...he hasn't always flown dishonourably and when I came to the game, he was known to be 'the best' there is so I didn't wish to come over all hostile due to that fact...it is obvious he has proven himself before whilst flying fairly so..what can I do?


I did kind of find it a bit erm...'insane' that because the game was too easy for him..he decied to make it easier but..hey, erm...I'm not even going to start to try and work out that logic. My logic is...ROTW ships = easy...so lets fly an 'outdated' a-wing and try harder...so I don't think I'm even capable of working out why he decided to make himself even more untouchable.


The fact is..in every game..there are exploiters and those who don't abide by the rules. The best thing you can do is hope it gets fixed and that you don't do it yourself.


I've always said I hate exploits and I hate it when they're used, but I'm not just going to go and hate a person for using them...there is too much hate in this game at times. I should know..I'm from Bria.


-Leaph

p.s


Ducimus..erm..wow, I should really pay more attention on name spellings. Rapax will do fine from now on. Oh..as for your post, yeh..I wouldn't be surprised if there were plenty of other ways to exploit this game..but as I se eit, games aren't made in order to be exploited. They're there for playing. Also..with JTSL in particular...it isn't even here to be 'won' pvp wise...there is no winner -ever- because there is no offciial ranking or category classes.


In fact..what I'd love to see is a system where it tallys up your pvp kills and has individual info on what ships/components/droid commands your opponents were using etc. It'd be cool if it showed if/when they shield shunted etc...Now -THAT- would be incentive enough for anyone to play fair I think.'specially if it showed where the kill was made to the exact coordinates[so loadkillers would be screwed then too]..but I'm dreaming on that one.

Message Edited by LeaphChausew on 07-29-2005 12:00 PM

LeaphChausew
Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:10 pm
#51






JeebusCrisp wrote:





S-1-l2-H-C wrote:
thats the whole idea, piss off enough people and the problem gets fixed.






Totally altruistic then?
Too late man, you've already given reasons OTHER than 'I wanted to make a statement to SOE'. No, you wanted to cheat, plain and simple. Stop trying to make it out to be something it's not.




Are youa lawyer? I mean..to be honest, I understand your views but I just read in another post of Ostat's from a while back how he'd like to see a total revision of JTLS and to put everyone back at square one....not the words of an evil soulless exploiter if you ask me. My problem is I try and see -everyones- viewpoint which leads to me being stuck in the middle of WW3 a lot of the time but /shrug.

Your aggressive posting nature really does lead me to believe that if you're not a lawyer...you could be a very successful one and if so...how much do you charge? You may fit well into my plan of world domination


-Leaph

Ducimus
Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:17 pm
#52

/popcorn



Major Rapax Victis - Commando
Time wasted playing MMO's:
Meridian59, Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call 1 & 2, Dark Age of Camelot, Anarchy Online, Earth & Beyond, Eve Online, Planetside, Star Wars Galaxies

"I'm really bored."
...has mastered the Pilot profession
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