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MonsofoLexius

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:22 am

WesBelden wrote:

This was linked to on the Smuggler forum,

Anyway, back to where I came from .

I would love to have a discussion and have the smugglers involved, but I think the last page of this thread shows whats happens

And on a second note:

DONT FEED THE TROLLS PEOPLE!!!!

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psikobunny

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:28 am

#41

MonsofoLexius wrote:

WesBelden wrote:

This was linked to on the Smuggler forum,

Anyway, back to where I came from .

I would love to have a discussion and have the smugglers involved, but I think the last page of this thread shows whats happens

And on a second note:

DONT FEED THE TROLLS PEOPLE!!!!

I guess I don't understand the frowny face Monsofo, I don't see anyone trolling for trouble here, just stating cases and furthering the discussion.

Gilack Mehoipou [Bloodfin]

Quintuple Master- Marksman/Squad Leader/Rifleman/Vortex Pilot/Politician

Made it before all hell broke loose.

HOTDOG

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:32 am

#42

HKowalsky wrote:

The other day i needed somethign sliced and i looked for a MS because my slicing was already down to 1, after the slice we could not trade between us, (dunnno why) and we needed a third person to make the trade , both of us nearly cried because this third person was acting more like a smuggler than any of us.

If you let other profesion have a SMALL (read again SMALL) share of smuggling (and i am one of those that thing contraband should not be on vendors but if it is going tostay weshould make the most of it) i for one would choose pilot,

I know you don't mean this but it'svery muchlike saying-

"If you are going to be violated- I think the Pilot profession should be the one to do it."

you don't care about new players into smuggling well that leads to a proffesion nobody cares for and gets nerf nobody else is against (FD nerf i curse you)

why are you so against this idea but yet i have to see any smuggler complaining about storage droids bypassing scans?

Because this discussion is about Smuggling in space. There have been hundreds of post about being able to smuggle goods in droids since the crackdown was first initiated. Trust me, we are on it.

Sincerely as a Waste of points smuggler is as bad as getting Master BH as opposed to a TKM BH dabbler it is only a matter of pride.

I don't think there is anyone who believes that a Master BH should be secondary to a TKM BH dabbler. True it IS that way now but I don't expect for the CURB to allow it to STAY that way. This is about moving forward and as such this doesn't add to your argument.

i am tired of reading " they do not pay attention to us because we are so few buh buh " and yet when somebody posts a idea to bring more vitality to a dying profession (yes dying, it has been bleding for more than 2 years) you flame him and instead of looking for alternatives like:

well instead of a Smuggler terminal make it an NPC,

force the players to group a smuggler to get the mission on ground

or any other idea you resort to say "smuggling is for smugglers only", Sorry to tell you this but after 2 years that method has proved to be inefficient, why not try something new?

YES! Let's try something new. Like giving ALL illegal material/content to Smugglers. Instead of passing it out to every other profession that thinks it's okay to do things that others have spent SP towards.

Why is it so bad to have to be a Smuggler in order to smuggle?

I can't put up a camp without being a Scout.

I can't get a mark without being a BH.

I can't wave a Lightsaber without being a Jedi.

I can't heal myself without being a Medic.

I can't fly a ship without being a Pilot.

I can't have a vendor if I'm not a Merchant.

I can't craft if I'm not an Artisan.

I can't DANCE if I'm not a DANCER!

So WHY is it suddenly such a slap to the player base if you have to be a Smuggler to smuggle? Or sell Contraband for that matter?

Are you starting to see why it is insulting to just hand out Smuggling- even a very little- to the whole player base.

AGAIN, I LOVE the cat's idea. And I think every Smuggler that has come here has said that. BUT when it comes to illegal material- smuggling for Smugglers ONLY.

are smuggler complaining that FS skill persuasion is MASTER MEDIC only? no yet it is one of the FS skills that should be associated to smugglers.

Please either contribute to the thread or shut up.
Now was this part REALLY neccessary. You truly don't expect us to help you steal content from us or just to sit back and watch it happen do you?

TEVIN STARGUNNER | WASODO T'GADIE

Rogue | Desperado | Demolitionist Short | Dark | Handsome

MonsofoLexius

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:45 am

#43

psikobunny wrote:

I guess I don't understand the frowny face Monsofo, I don't see anyone trolling for trouble here, just stating cases and furthering the discussion.

Because some of this conversation is starting to turn into a "is-smuggler-worth-the-SP", "smugglers have been waiting 2 years for a revamp" and other topics specificly related to smuggler ONLY and those conversations are for the Smuggler forums not here.

I wanted to try to stop that before this thread just goes to hell.

Message Edited by MonsofoLexius on 03-08-2005 10:48 AM

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- In rememberance of our friend, Luckky Johnson (Toni Sinclair)
"Every day I feel like I am opening a present when
I double-click the SWG icon"-Vorpaks
Thanks bud...now, about the Garment habit of yours. You need an intervention! - Calculus_Entropy /flex - n'Jessi
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MonsofoLexius

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:46 am

#44

LM wrote:

Monsofo -- I don't understand the frowny face... things seemfairly civil in here. And I am a little disturbed by the statement that I have bolded and put in yellow.How can you even HAVE a discussion about smuggling without including smugglers? Aresmugglers unwelcome to participate in this discussionabout smuggling in space because we argue (yes, vehemently) that smuggling content should be for smugglers?

Lilac Moon

Yes you are more then welcome, but read my post above about "Topic Selection" and add to that the factsome ofthe posters are hear due to the "cross-link" thread and for no other reason.....

Message Edited by MonsofoLexius on 03-08-2005 10:48 AM

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- In rememberance of our friend, Luckky Johnson (Toni Sinclair)
"Every day I feel like I am opening a present when
I double-click the SWG icon"-Vorpaks
Thanks bud...now, about the Garment habit of yours. You need an intervention! - Calculus_Entropy /flex - n'Jessi
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rahzaar

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:55 am

#45

It's only contributing if you agree, if you're against it...it's being disruptive and trollish.

The fact of hauling cargo or people is a great idea..it could add another dimension to a somewhat limited expansion. That being said, I think allowing anyone to smuggle without being a Smuggler in profession is a slap in the face of not only the profession, but to those who have lobbied to improve the profession itself.

I'm all for adding content, but this is just absurd in the regards of letting non-smugllers smuggle. The points raised above in defense of Smugglers are valid...and the logic of basically "everyone can smuggle in this dynamic, only Smugglers get bonuses..wow...lookie at the bonuses you guys get..happy?" doesn't hold water. That's like saying, "hey, anyone can get a BH mission, only BH's get perks and bonuses!!" Don't say it's in a different context, because it's not. Like it was stated more eloquently than I....

Only pilots can pilot, only dancers can dance, only medics can heal, and only jedis can use lightsabers.

Would you like to smuggle? Fine, pay the points, join our great profession, and hope that one day we all get that magical ability.

Until then, stop trying to universalize content for everyone. What's the point of professions if anyone could do anything?

Let me add something that could be construed as contributing, so I don't get flamed into oblivion...

Add the cargo and passenger ability, limit smuggling of illegal goods and personnel to Smugglers, and if you wish to haul a "tiny packet of illicit cargo" on your twi'lek dancer....it is personal gear carried in your personal inventory and you cannot profit off of mission terminals by transporting it to whereever. I

To even give in a hair...allow certain persons with certain high jabba or Valerian faction to accept very small level missions...slightly higher than delivery in a regular aspect, but the penalties associated with these missions would be steep. High fines, roving Imperial patrols and possibility of seizure of the cargo. You cannot evade scans that would ALWAYS happen by planetary authority as starships attempted to leave the sector, you'd have to fight your way out if possible, and then you'd get a taste of what Smugglers deal with on a daily basis. It's kind of like being an unsuspecting mule driving from Mexico to the US trying to haul cargo they have no idea is illegal. You want to play with the big boys, you have to get off the porch.

Xal Rahzaar

Master Smuggler

Kett

LM

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:56 am

#46

MonsofoLexius wrote:

LM wrote:

Monsofo -- I don't understand the frowny face... things seemfairly civil in here. And I am a little disturbed by the statement that I have bolded and put in yellow.How can you even HAVE a discussion about smuggling without including smugglers? Aresmugglers unwelcome to participate in this discussionabout smuggling in space because we argue (yes, vehemently) that smuggling content should be for smugglers?

Lilac Moon

Yes you are more then welcome, but read my post above about "Topic Selection" and add to that the factsome ofthe posters are hear due to the "cross-link" thread and for no other reason.....

Message Edited by MonsofoLexius on 03-08-2005 10:48 AM

Ahh ok. Thanks for the explanation. I understand completely your point of view. I guess it is just indicative of the frustration of the smugglers. I do think that most of the posts in this thread are pretty much on topic, though. Especially considering the frustration level.

The cross-link thread? I am grateful that someone posted about this in the Smuggler forum. Otherwise, I might have missed it today. And the reason we are in here (well, I will speak for myself) -- the reason *I* am in here is because... this is about smuggling.

Lilac Moon

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psikobunny

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:56 am

#47

Ok, I understand now, thanks Monsofo. I agree, I want the "is Smuggler worth it" short circuited too, thats why I posted further ideas and variations on the original. Anyone have any thoughts on those? Let's get back on topic

Summary- Legal missions don't need to equate to "safe" but Contraband limited to Smugglers is appropos, and having the potential for higher end PvP space content directly channeled through Smuggler could be new and exciting.

Further idea- The terminal issue can be easily solved. There are at least 4 crime lord NPCs scattered across the Galaxy, and all of them say at the end of their mini (or major) theme missions. "I may have more work for you someday" Well how perfect would it be for Smugglers to go get the work from these Hutts (or warthog in the case of Lady Val). There are already several NPCs in succession leading up to each Boss, and it would make for an easy breakdown on difficulty level. I know this sort of Crime faction related stuff is touching on things Tyrant kinda reserved for a further expansion, but I hate seeing these NPCs sit idle after you finish their missions.

Gilack Mehoipou [Bloodfin]

Quintuple Master- Marksman/Squad Leader/Rifleman/Vortex Pilot/Politician

Made it before all hell broke loose.

SpinningCloud

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:59 am

#48

Sorry Mono but I have as much right to be here as ANYONE here. I have two Ace pilots...one of which is a Master Smuggler.

You posted that you didn't care to get involved in profession-specific discussions but the original post WAS profession specific...specifically about giving smuggling content to non-smugglers.

Everything we're discussing now is related directly to the original post. That you now have peope with a vested interest in the smuggling portion of that post is maybe what annoys you? Sorry but that's just too bad.

I'm ALL for high level JTL content but I'm not for it when it is at the expense of Smugglers that have been waiting for that SAME content for thier own profession for nearly two years. And THAT fact IS relevant Mono.

Fedex missions for non-smugglers I have NO problem with. The moment contraband, and hence smuggling, is involved it should be for Smugglers only.

BTW Kowalski, Smugglers DID complain vehemently about the droid compartment EXPLOIT. But devs don't listen to Smugglers...never have and probably never will.

And, yes, I'm really pissed-off now. Maybe if the rest of the player base cared as much about profession they weren't involved in as their own then we'd have a richer and more balanced game. Smugglers get isolated on their own board and ignored for the very large part. WE didn't bring up this subject here but we certainly have a right to have our say here.

Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie, Two years of "Soon"(TM), a harsh bunch of lies.
Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie"

Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie, Dancers can't smuggle and neither can I.
Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie."

Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie, Why are there Jedi, I don't know why.
Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie."

MonsofoLexius

Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:06 pm

#49

LM wrote:

Ahh ok. Thanks for the explanation. I understand completely your point of view. I guess it is just indicative of the frustration of the smugglers. I do think that most of the posts in this thread are pretty much on topic, though. Especially considering the frustration level.

The cross-link thread? I am grateful that someone posted about this in the Smuggler forum. Otherwise, I might have missed it today. And the reason we are in here (well, I will speak for myself) -- the reason *I* am in here is because... this is about smuggling.

Lilac Moon

And I am glad to have you along with most all the other posters. Bu if we can't put aside a little of the "I guess it is just indicative of the frustration of the smugglers" and have a conversation then all we end up with is a huge mess, and does not so anyone any good.

That is the direction the thread was taking.

And I will say as I posted in the cross link'd thread. I am not against smuggler-only content or against "inset any other profession here" but for things like "I want to hunt Jedi in game for BH" then I would recomend getting those issues on the profession specific issues threads, I just don't want to play "favorites" with ANY profession.

Message Edited by MonsofoLexius on 03-08-2005 11:11 AM

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- In rememberance of our friend, Luckky Johnson (Toni Sinclair)
"Every day I feel like I am opening a present when
I double-click the SWG icon"-Vorpaks
Thanks bud...now, about the Garment habit of yours. You need an intervention! - Calculus_Entropy /flex - n'Jessi
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JediArashi

Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:12 pm

#50

MonsofoLexius wrote:

LM wrote:

Monsofo -- I don't understand the frowny face... things seemfairly civil in here. And I am a little disturbed by the statement that I have bolded and put in yellow.How can you even HAVE a discussion about smuggling without including smugglers? Aresmugglers unwelcome to participate in this discussionabout smuggling in space because we argue (yes, vehemently) that smuggling content should be for smugglers?

Lilac Moon

Yes you are more then welcome, but read my post above about "Topic Selection" and add to that the factsome ofthe posters are hear due to the "cross-link" thread and for no other reason.....

Message Edited by MonsofoLexius on 03-08-2005 10:48 AM

Wow, I don't think that was called for...but I'll chalk it up to forum maintanence, and congratulate you on keeping control of your forum. I take full responsibility for marking the "cross-link", but I also don't see anything wrong with it. This topic is of great importance to Smugglers, but also in a forum that I know not too many of us frequent.

The issues you mentioned that were brought up regarding "we haven't smuggled in 2 years!" etc. aren't mentioned in a way that brings the discussion down, you have t osee it for what it is. it is a reason and justification for us to be passionate, and critical of issues that may tread on our front door.

Like LM said, the discussion has been civil. There are no flames or trolls here. Don't mistake a passionate discussion for an angry argument. I don't see it that way. Some good pointe have been brought up.

Anyway...

I like the direction you guys are going now. Having the "fox and the hound" scenario would be most fun, and not just for Smugglers (although a little devil's advocate here: this could be considered for BH's the way we viewed it for Smugglers :smileywink

. It can also be directed as an NPC issue, through the mission acceptance for a legal cargo trip spawns space pirates to give you a bad time.

The direction on the ground could easily be a portion of the starport that has NPC's that are in need of cargo delivery. A pilot can talk to this NPC, and he has a list of "missions" that are contact of his that need things moved. You choose what you want to transport and go on. Smugglers would get to use UW and get more "risky" cargo fro mthe same guy. Different missions. (btw- this idea is partly a rip-off from another idea in the Smuggler forums for player to player cargo transport)

I'd love to see this dynamic in space...it needs mroe for pilots to do then just combat. it is called a Pilot and not a Stafighter Pilot profession.

Arashi - The one and only "Agent Zero"

Proud member of the greatest community around....Smuggler for life!

SpinningCloud

Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:13 pm

#51

The fact that the conversation came down to smuggling and who should be able to do it was a natural consequence of the original post. I don't know what you expected to come of that except that Smugglers don't want their content parsed out to everyone else.

I suppose there is something to be said for the argument that Smugglers don't HAVE any content so why not give new smuggling content to everyone, we wouldn't be taking it away from Smugglers. But honestly we all know that argument won't wash with Smugglers.

If you want to talk about smuggling content in JTL then you, by definition of what a Smuggler is, will be talking about a specific profession...Smuggler. Sorry if you don't see that but then SOE doesn't apparently see it either.

Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie, Two years of "Soon"(TM), a harsh bunch of lies.
Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie"

Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie, Dancers can't smuggle and neither can I.
Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie."

Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie, Why are there Jedi, I don't know why.
Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Smuggler, Smuggler, Smuggler Pie."

psikobunny

Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:15 pm

#52

SpinningCloud wrote:

Sorry Mono but I have as much right to be here as ANYONE here. I have two Ace pilots...one of which is a Master Smuggler.

....

And, yes, I'm really pissed-off now. Maybe if the rest of the player base cared as much about profession they weren't involved in as their own then we'd have a richer and more balanced game. Smugglers get isolated on their own board and ignored for the very large part. WE didn't bring up this subject here but we certainly have a right to have our say here.

Easy Spin, Monsofo isn't bothered by the Smugglers voicing thier views, he was bothered by the people who sidetracked this away from Smuggling in Space and into "is Smuggler worth the points"

Like I said, most of the Smugglers I know are Pilots too, I want to hear what you guys have to say.

Gilack Mehoipou [Bloodfin]

Quintuple Master- Marksman/Squad Leader/Rifleman/Vortex Pilot/Politician

Made it before all hell broke loose.

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