Pilot Archive
Thread: Actis, Belbullab, RGI, EPulse3, and everything unbalanced
LeaphChausew
Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:38 am
#27
Well all I know for a fact (providing I can find a crew) is that for tonight's event on SS (if there is one and as long as it doesn't mean any side is heavily outnumbered), I'll be using the Star Torton and frappsing.
I'm still bushwhacked after last night's epic event 
Aidy
Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:03 am
#28
Epulse3?
I've been a Freelance Pilot pretty much since JTL was launched (or rather since I purchased it!)
I can say, with my hand on my heart, I've NEVER touched the Epulse3 button during PvP, I do however, use the Actis, that and my YT-1300 are the only ships combat wise on my datapad (I also have a bellebub loaded with mining equipment).
Frankly I'm getting a little tired of people having a go at the Actis and such, I agree about the RGIs hitbox, my imperial pilot toon has one but its on a desk at it's house
Energy pulse 3 may well be over powered when it fires sucessfully, however, there's a chance it won't and leave you defenceless.
The Actis is only as good as the equipment and the player flying it, if someone has managed to cram a half decent set up into that little ship then good job on them, I worked hard at getting my Actis built up, and I'd say there probably aren't many around similar to it! It has some pretty knackered parts in it at the moment as well! (Pre Nerf Lvl 6 reward engine Re'd that gets the engine ol4 treatment everytime I launch!) Have a look it isn't exactly up to date now (one of the weapons has changed to something VERY similar) but you can pretty much get the set-up.
Mental Note to self: Update the site!
Many of the droid commands could be considered "unbalanced", running cap OC4 my cap has way over 2k energy with a 96 recharge rate. Back before they introduced this, the game had to be played carefully, every shot had to count, since that command was introduced you hardly ever here of people complaining about capacitor running out! Now I can slam closed my shields and fire right away without ever running out of energy.
I'm a pilot right through to the bone, hell I'm a shipwright too just to compliment my love for space, I ground out smugglers alliance 3 times to get my hands on some of the reward equipment!
On my server, you RARELY see anyone PvPing in a regular ship, I've been in many tangles with other Actis fighters, Belbullabs also, often starts a long tedious spin fest of ships scoring "near misses" until one of us are lucky enough to score a hit in all my time, I've NEVER had a pilot use energy pulse to end the fight. I can recall ONCE going up against an Adv X-Wing, they flew off at an astronomical rate, when I PMd the pilot they informed me their ship was hitting the 2k speed barrier unboosted. (hello!! balanced?!)
This isn't to cause an argument or anything, this is my opinion of your statement about "fair play" the ships are only as good as the parts and the pilot. Nothing more.
IMO, the pilots that would resort to energy pulse rather than duke it out are probably the same guys who sit at starports asking to jump in a turret because "I suck" as they say. My regular responce to such a comment is "You're not going to get any better sitting there either"
I've been a Freelance Pilot pretty much since JTL was launched (or rather since I purchased it!)
I can say, with my hand on my heart, I've NEVER touched the Epulse3 button during PvP, I do however, use the Actis, that and my YT-1300 are the only ships combat wise on my datapad (I also have a bellebub loaded with mining equipment).
Frankly I'm getting a little tired of people having a go at the Actis and such, I agree about the RGIs hitbox, my imperial pilot toon has one but its on a desk at it's house
Energy pulse 3 may well be over powered when it fires sucessfully, however, there's a chance it won't and leave you defenceless.
The Actis is only as good as the equipment and the player flying it, if someone has managed to cram a half decent set up into that little ship then good job on them, I worked hard at getting my Actis built up, and I'd say there probably aren't many around similar to it! It has some pretty knackered parts in it at the moment as well! (Pre Nerf Lvl 6 reward engine Re'd that gets the engine ol4 treatment everytime I launch!) Have a look it isn't exactly up to date now (one of the weapons has changed to something VERY similar) but you can pretty much get the set-up.
Mental Note to self: Update the site!
Many of the droid commands could be considered "unbalanced", running cap OC4 my cap has way over 2k energy with a 96 recharge rate. Back before they introduced this, the game had to be played carefully, every shot had to count, since that command was introduced you hardly ever here of people complaining about capacitor running out! Now I can slam closed my shields and fire right away without ever running out of energy.
I'm a pilot right through to the bone, hell I'm a shipwright too just to compliment my love for space, I ground out smugglers alliance 3 times to get my hands on some of the reward equipment!
On my server, you RARELY see anyone PvPing in a regular ship, I've been in many tangles with other Actis fighters, Belbullabs also, often starts a long tedious spin fest of ships scoring "near misses" until one of us are lucky enough to score a hit in all my time, I've NEVER had a pilot use energy pulse to end the fight. I can recall ONCE going up against an Adv X-Wing, they flew off at an astronomical rate, when I PMd the pilot they informed me their ship was hitting the 2k speed barrier unboosted. (hello!! balanced?!)
This isn't to cause an argument or anything, this is my opinion of your statement about "fair play" the ships are only as good as the parts and the pilot. Nothing more.
IMO, the pilots that would resort to energy pulse rather than duke it out are probably the same guys who sit at starports asking to jump in a turret because "I suck" as they say. My regular responce to such a comment is "You're not going to get any better sitting there either"
Message Edited by Aidy on 10-30-2005 06:11 PM
Ashtirael
Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:10 pm
#29
Washell wrote:
Adv. X-wing: SW crafted engine, all exp in speed, no PYR. Damn fast in a straight line, 5k turning radius. I'd consider that balanced. Still, 2k unboosted? I'm not even sure it's possible, didn't the 100% speed mod Vaksai/L9 crafted speedenginetop out at 21XX with booster?
2187 with boost.
Washell
Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:33 pm
#30
Then the X could make 2078 with boost and wings closed, only way of getting it past 2k unboosted would be that vrepair bug that makes it go insanely and more importantly unplayable fast. Or a really exceptional pre-nerf engine.
FilanVader
Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:39 pm
#31
if WO3 is fixed you will see more interest in the Xwings and the bombers id bet since from full cap to empty an Xwing could dish far more hurt then any JSF. course i guess it still depends on your attitude. me im the one who would take the Caterpiller Bulldozer over the Porshe 911 Turbo, simply because i can just ram my way through anything in my path(IE Xwing or a Ywing before a JSF or Awing).
Halyn
Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:08 am
#32
Hmmm...this makes for interesting reading. 
Some people definitely didn't get what I was driving at in my original post, and some did.
Some people definitely didn't get what I was driving at in my original post, and some did.
JanuHull
Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:00 am
#33
I think what saves us Pilots a lot of the headaches that have thrashed other elements of SWG is that we're capable of realizing that just because its handed to us by the Devs, that using these overpowered or broken aspects of the game aren't healthy for the big picture, and we hold back from using them (mostly).
We're not a big group, compared to the ground game, we're a small skirmish. The other aspect that spares us a lot of the headaches is the founding belief that our success in space depends more on our skill than our machine. So while many veteran Pilots complain about the overpower of the JSF, we also take it upon ourselves to prove we're better than the machine by beating them in some of the most ungodly ships. Were it not for these little miniature mountains to climb, many of the oddball ships we throw together wouldn't exist. Pilots who've learned to thrive in TIE Advanced, X-Wings, Oppressors, Rhix, even TIE Bombers, Kimogilas, B-Wingsand Y-Wings, all stepped into those roles for the bragging rights of telling the JSF crowd, "I can beat your ubership with one blaster tied behind my back".
They were the "easy" mode, and while many of us (myself included) let ourselves give in to the temptation, we were wise enough to take the long view and realize these things were more harmful than beneficial. At least to me, flying a Bel is like riding a bike with training wheels.
I've long been of the opinion that the success of the endgame is as much a matter of how the players use the game as much as how the developers program it. We're not perfect, nor are they, but with a little self-restraint on our part anda little more dilligence on their part, we can make space the endgame worth pursuing for extended periods.
Pushing the game to the breaking point by using broken or unbalancedmechanics to the most extreme limits will only result in a broken game. GCW fighters on the ground refuse to acknowledge the actions of their own hand in the death of their endgame. Pilots, by and large, see right passed that and are better offas a result.
the3vilDrz3d
Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:08 pm
#34
As an update to the Kettemoor open event held last weekend, it was the smallest turnout we have ever had. 1 lone Rebel (/salute Tsibo) and 6 Imperials. I think the belief that the event would be overflowing with JSF's and 22's kept a lot fo folks away. Here's a list of the ships that were deployed by each side:
Rebel: 1 Advanced Xwing
Imperial: 1 RGT, 1 TIE Bomber, 1 TIE Interceptor, 2 TIE Opressor, and 1 Vaksai
Number of JSF's and BB-22's, ZERO.
Our next event will resume the JSF/BB-22/RGT ban. I suspect many of our pilots will return because of it.
Rebel: 1 Advanced Xwing
Imperial: 1 RGT, 1 TIE Bomber, 1 TIE Interceptor, 2 TIE Opressor, and 1 Vaksai
Number of JSF's and BB-22's, ZERO.
Our next event will resume the JSF/BB-22/RGT ban. I suspect many of our pilots will return because of it.
xTekx
Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:12 pm
#35
JanuHull wrote:
Pushing the game to the breaking point by using broken or unbalancedmechanics to the most extreme limits will only result in a broken game. GCW fighters on the ground refuse to acknowledge the actions of their own hand in the death of their endgame. Pilots, by and large, see right passed that and are better offas a result.
That right there is one of the best statements i've ever read concerning our pilot community and the state the game is in now. Especially on the ground. Everyone says you have to go jedi inorder to compete on the ground. And that is for the most part true. Because of this it created a snowball effect to where we are now. Just because its in game doesn't make it "ok" to use. And i'm not talking about the JSF with that last statement. Though there should be restraint used in some aspectst with that ship.
Halyn
Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:23 pm
#37
Maudee wrote:
You're my hero Halyn
See you on SS soon.
-Maudee
Hope you're coming as an Imperial--Leaph likes being outnumbered.
Maudee
Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:21 pm
#38
Halyn wrote:
Maudee wrote:
You're my hero Halyn
See you on SS soon.
-Maudee
Hope you're coming as an Imperial--Leaph likes being outnumbered.
Of course I'll be flying Imperial! I can't leave my T/I. Besides, I've just got to have a run at Leaph in my intercepter!
Speaking of... I just can't bring myself to char transfer and leave all the wonderful Bloodfin peeps behind. So I'll be starting fresh.... without an RE engine 
So... for any SS pilots.... I'd be interested in running the starmap about 20 times with some CL1's.Perhaps someone would like to twink me through the NS cave and recieve a cut of the loot!
Let me know if anyone's interested.
-Maudee
Malcolm_CaKre
Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:52 am
#39
I agree with the OP about the Pilot sense of community. It's something that kept me in the Smuggler board for a long time, but has recently started to falter there. The Squad Leader board kept it for a long time too, and is struggling to fight off incursions from outside.
I would say, though, that EPulse is not really unbalanced, compared to jumpstart or bomberstrike. It's different, and useful in different areas, but it makes sense with the original set of ships we got. Imperials have light, relatively fragile ships but get to call in missile-toting help. Rebels have heavier ships and can keep themselves flying in space for a long time. Privateers have the heaviest ships and can spend the mass for high flat-out speed, turn like bricks, but can EPulse things that they can't turn to fire on.
With the relic chassis, that's shifted around some, but each Pilot faction still has tricks to call their own.
To be honest, flying toons in all the factions, I use jumpstart more than bomberstrike by far, and EPulse almost never -- Anything that I'd call bombers on I can just as easily take out myself, and EPulse has too many disadvantages for what utility it has.
As a hat tip to the original poster, though, this is agreeable disagreement.