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Thread: Epulse Hard Stat Rundown
IL-Vec wrote:
LeaphChausew wrote:
There is no valid arguement for keeping E-pulse ingame as far as pvp goes. Freelancers can obtain JSF and GSFs easily (which this guy had too. Sad..e-pulsing while in a JSF vs. two A-wings) so it isnt like they're outclassed for pvp ships short of 'morally' choosing not to fly a relic.
Ok for all those saying he's a freelancer in a big slow ship with firepower please read first.
Also it was not used as an Oh Sh|t button it was used at the outset(I was on the other end of chat with a noob pilot)implying he didn't give it a shot and had planned to do it all along.
Well,
No one said that his opponent was in a big slow ship...I thought Leaph made it quite clear his opponent was in a JSF.
What they (myself included) have said was that Freelance pilots, before ROTW only had big, slower ships to choose from, and E-pulse was probably designed as a last ditch effort because their ships were outclassed by both Rebel and Imperial dogfighters. That's it.
Maybe it's you who needs to read again...and maybe read what was said, not what you think was said.
sry nothing personal woke up thinking I should be a smart @$$
silverlady wrote:
Freelance pilots have ships that are large, and somewhat cumbersome to fly. While they can pack a lot of firepower and defensive capability, they are grosslyoutmatched by both of the other factions in terms of a dogfighter.
JSF is large and cumbersome, check
With the exception of the Vaksai, Freelance pilots don't have any other dogfighter option that you also do not have the ability to use. The Vaksai is a nice addition to the Freelance pool in terms of having a viable dogfighter that is still a large target.
Vaksai is much better than JSF, check
Now that the background is done, let's look at this situation you spoke of in Deep Space. First of all, both you and your wingman were stupid to engage the fight the way you did...1v1 is the only time a turning battle is a good option. You, or your wingman, should have peeled off a bit, and taken the guy out from range while the other engaged him in a turning battle. With how tight you and that JSF can turn, the wingman at range should almost have no excuse to miss. End of fight. If you had used this tactic, even if the guy still E-pulsed, the other would probably have been ok, and easily able to defeat a defenseless opponent.
Never stay on wingman's wing in a fight, check
On to E-pulse itself: Yes, it can be abused, but it does have a terrible price...you are defenseless, and weaponless for a few seconds, at the minimum. All you can do is go evasive to defend yourself. A shot from anything in Deep Space will make an E-pulse victory quite short. This is the danger of using it, and we all know these things.
Hope someon kills your killer once dead, check
As I have said, E-pulse can be abused, but here is the thing - anything short of crippling damage makes the ability useless. E-pulse was not designed as an *I win* button, but rather as an *oh sh*t* button, which is probably the reason the guy used it when he was outnumbered, and perhaps outmatched...an intelligent tactic, if you ask me. He was a jackass to gloat about it, though.
Use E-pulse at outset because you were in "over head" and then don't be a jackass about it, check
Look at the design and handling of the Freelance ships (JTL, as E-pulse is not a ROTW addition), add in the roleplay aspect of Freelancers generally being scum/for hire/smugglers/fringe citizens, and you can see why they were given an ability like this.
those with stereotypically falling apart held together at seams ships should be able to "PWN" everyone cause of their JSF's inaddequacies, check
Perhaps a turning battle is not the way you should fight a Freelancer...this may very well be by design.
Perhaps a turning battle is not necessarily the best way to PvP, period.
with EO4 +80 PYR don't get in a turn fight, check
But I forgot, you are in the clique of folks that all think inside the same box. That's not to say that the thoughts inside this box are wrong (far from it), but they are not the only idealogies that are correct.
k gotta stop smart @$$ routine sry only one side of a idealogoy can be honorable which is the basis of right/wrong here
Think outside the box. Different opponents and situations require different tactics. Having flown in a multi-person PvP event, I would have thought you would have learned this.
Epulse is not a tactic tactic's require skill it's the "I win" button if you have the modicum ofabilitiy to stay within 250m til it fires(opponents will do this for you for first 15 secs anyways). About as easy as pie
One last thing: I have never once used E-pulse for any reason. Because of this, I probably would not think to use it if I was outnumbered. But that's what it's for...
/salute and yes I'm still serious
Guyvii2 wrote:
2 vs 1 was in it self not very sporting.
"--Michael Stackpole, RS IRC
LOL.
As you see. I am an IMP. I am soooo used to being out numbered. I must spend over half my spinning to avoid all the reb incomming fire. I thought we were suppose to out number the rebs.
The Devs should have made all the New ships only flyable by that faction that gave them the ships. It does make it hard to balance the specal abilities given to off set a weakness a faction may have when the have the same ships. I do wish that all or none of the pilot's tricks worked but that is life.
You are right! The epulse should not work in PVP but what will you do to protect yourself until this is fixed.
Will you avoid all Freelance Pilots ( kind of hard since everyonecan fly the JSF if they change to imp for a short while and get the ship from Vader) or help find a way to kill them outside the ( what is it ? ) 300 meter epulse range.
Maybe give missiles a new life in PVP. I make everyone carry their insurance chaff launcher. Not having it is just taking a chance. It is one that many IMPS need to do because of our weight constrates and I am guessing many A-wing pilots also. Us big ships ( Oppressers) need to have some advantage. LOL
silverlady wrote:
I'm glad you responded, Leaph.
From the vast majority of your posts, you do seem to be a good, honorable pilot, who is probably fun to fly with and against.
You are also correct that the guy in question's behavior after the fact completely nullified the validity of his use of tactics.
However, you cannot pick and choose what is honorable, and what is not in a fight of any type. You can do so for yourself, and live by it (you evidence this by choosing not to fly a ROTW fighter, which is commendable), but you cannot, and should not, believe that anyone else should follow your code of honor, nor should you feel obligated to follow theirs.
You are also correct in saying that in Deep Space, you should be prepared for any and all odds in engagements. On that same note, it is also valid to say that any person can use the best tools they have for the job. Hence, you should be prepared for an E-pulse at any time in Deep Space, or anytime you are flying overt.
It is unfortunate however, that someone could literally E-pulse you, look for you when you return, and E-pulse you again. It is also unfortunate that there probably are many people who would grief in such a way. Perhaps it would be nice if they added some sort of flag after you get E-pulsed, so that you cannot be E-pulsed by the same person again for like 15 minutes...something like that.
I am sorry that you ran into such a player. You can rest assured, that if you and I ever cross paths someday in Deep Space, that it will be a straight up,bare-knuckled, fistfight to the death...probably with conversation afterwards, if you're willing.
I have a lot of respect for you Leaph, and what you are about.
Heh. Yeh I agree. Hell, I must admit my initial post was somewhat whiney and a little childish. I was just as I said offended and its mainly because I try so hard to be a good 'balanced' player. I'm not out to be 'the best uber pilot of death' but whe someone just outright throws everything in your face and is needlessly hostile it is more than a little annoying.
You're right too. I don't know what we were thinking but the strategy we used going into that battle was somewhat flawed. In addition...we saw each other at the same time and he came in guns blazing. I forgot to mention this at first.
Yeh you're right, I guess I shouldn't be so quick to leap on the what is honourable or not case, but I just thought that fundamentally it was out of order.
I wouldn't mind e-pulse so much if it had like a warning and a graphic attatched. You know IFF Scramble? How these days it does that wierd flash thing? I think E-Pulse should have somthing similar. As it stands, when it is activated..the enemy is there..and then they aren't. I think possibly that this 'flash' thing should happen and then like a second or two after the effect should take place so at least people have a chance of getting out of the way. I mean if you think about it, even then it'd be very, very easy to use but atleast it'd be kind of counterable.
Message Edited by LeaphChausew on 09-02-2005 06:14 PM
Warden1982 wrote:
Soooo...
You Jumped a Pilot 2V1? and you whinge about getting Epulsed? Christ on a bike!
What are you more pissed off about geting killed by a Pilot that you Zerged/Ganked and he may have resorted to the only thing that could have saved his skin?Or not getting your precious Points? Lemme guess you missed him loadingh in?
Christ anyone who says 2v1 is honorable deserves what they get.
People Like you are the reason i dont go to DS anymore. And i have 7 Ace Badges bet you have one, and a piss easy one at that!
Erm.
1. I regularly end up coming out of 1v2'son topwhen I am on my own so you can stop that arguement. The guy said he could beat any Rebel no matter what the odds were with blasters for Christs sake. -HIS- words so he should stand by them and not resort to the 'I win' button.
2.I have 8 ace badges across different toons all soloed.
3.If someone is in DS, they're there knowing they're goingto probably get pvp. If they dont want the posibility of facing dodgy odds at times they should a. stay away from Deepspace and b. be covert.
5,I wouldnt be surprised if you were the guy who did it to me.
6.Get your facts right before posting.
Message Edited by LeaphChausew on 09-02-2005 06:27 PM
Message Edited by LeaphChausew on 09-02-2005 06:30 PM
Message Edited by Warden1982 on 09-02-2005 06:32 PM
Warden1982 wrote:
Well im from a diff server but hey if it makes you feel better then yeah id Epulse 3 your ass if you gang banged me, i mean 2V1 right?I should get to do what i feel like to survive right, i mean its a game where i choose what i do, not anyone else? Pity im am Imp agin but hey ill create a toon on your server if your the Ganbanging sort
And If i recal, this post wasnt about you so why defend yourself?
Message Edited by Warden1982 on 09-02-2005 06:32 PM
It was relevant to e-pulse so I posted here...
There is this thing on Starsider called pvp ettiquette. We rely on -flying- rather than pressing buttons to have fun.
Also..nah. Bring all your imp friends and take me on. Gank me, I -dare- you I really do.
Plus yeh, you hit the nail on the head..it's a game. So whats more fun? Flying for the sake of flying and actually lining up blaster bolts or...pressing a button which 'auto wins' for you?
Its funny because you're obviously still not reading my posts properly. Your small narrow mind is picking out the details you think you can nit-pick at in order to make yourself look noble in some small way.
Warden1982 wrote:
Actually your posts didnt even register as i replying to the first post! but hey /wtg.
Ah flying Ettiquete yes i know it well, wish it would come to chimaera, nothing better that getting Load Killed or ganked by 2 Folk in Ds when im on my own, or maybe i just see 2V1 as unfair as Epulse 3?!
How about you get of you high horse and wind our neck in eh? This post isnt about you but you seemd to have taken a post directed at the Origionator and taken it as a personal insult? if you have i apologise, maybe you think your the **** on your server, well good for you, on my server ive not heard of you, or any good pilots for that tmatter just loadkilling smacktards...
(really im sorry, ive just been Loadkilled 5 times InDS And jummped twice by the same folk..not in a good mood)
But seriously, not about you...!
Well you certainly made that clear.
Message Edited by LeaphChausew on 09-02-2005 06:57 PM