Pilot Archive

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Fernas wrote:

ahh, but you only see the short term. killing the game's economy will kill it more surely in the long run than scared players in the short run. and removing all money sinks is a sure way to kill the economy. then they have to do halfhearted lame "fixes" like the solo group change.

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Ramona_Garcia wrote:

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Fernas wrote:

ahh, but you only see the short term. killing the game's economy will kill it more surely in the long run than scared players in the short run. and removing all money sinks is a sure way to kill the economy. then they have to do halfhearted lame "fixes" like the solo group change.

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Sorry to say, but even "killing" the SW biz will not ruin the economy. Architects have to deal with no decay as well, as have Droid engineers and tailors.

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Actually they do, I for one have lost at least one harvester through forgetting to maintain it

Arryth what is your income? I really don't think it bankrupted you when you bought a Ace ship and the best components. Why shouldn't a crafter make a lot of money? They choe a less fun path and should get more rewards. If you reall ythink the prices are so "unfair" become a SW or artisan in general and fix it yourself. Steal their business by halving the prices. Unless you are willing to help fix something you have no right to complain about it.

BTW to the person who said I didn't read the entire thread you are mistaken. I just did not feel it was necessary to type out each time that I was specifically talking about PVP since it would have been obvious given where I was posting.

If you're foolish enough to drive your car off of the same hillside

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Yeah, people were not foolish enough to continue to PVP with the decay the way it was, which is why they removed it. This is a game and yes I realize that shiprwrights are trying to have all the fun in the game removed so that they can make billions. However, once you remove all the fun of flying who is gonna buy your stuff? There wont be any pilots left.

Also many people PVP in places like kessel and in other areas that still have Decay. Allot of people are not masters.

The bottom line is once you remove a certain aspect of this game. You MUST make up for it in another way, if you can't then don't do it. Maybe redusing decay in PvP battle and decreasing dmg done to players. That would balance things out. Just because you lose equipment now and then doesn't ruin the game. So what you have to farm now and then to keep things up, as Naja said this is a sim and it is. I don't mind farming for an hour a day. It is still fun. The SWs don't make billions they are simply compensationg prices for the insane amount of resources it takes to make ships. And why the hell not? A ship should cost a hell of a lot and so should its components. If I ever saw a spaceship being sold for 6000 dollars I don't think I would trust my life to it. Ships are expensive and I believe should be increased in price. Because when a set of armor near equals the price of a ship there is something wrong. Even without farming I still make enough to keep up all of my stuff. I don't know what you are doing wrong.

The second post in this thread might be the most relevant. You clearly sacrifice realism for fun on a regular basis. So at what point do you lay aside your values and decide it's worth it to do so? That's something of a BS question you can only really answer with "when being realistic would hurt the game more than it would help," but it applies here. And when, in order to PVP often, you'd have to spend more time hunting for loot than you would actually using it, I think realism takes a distant second to fun. One of the major problems with ground PVP is it takes too long to prepare for the time you spend PVPing; if we're reduced to loot farming in space just to keep up with our constant PVP deaths, we'll face the same problem with JTL, only much worse. We're seeing the players' reaction to this already. It's senseless to stick with a system that so few people use and almost sociopathic to intentionally design one that way.

Not to mention the fact that arguing realism in a sci-fi game (or worse yet, a sci-fi simulation, as you'd have it) is a bit of a dodgy prospect.

As for your notion that decay was a well-designed system brought in from the start and was nerfed by whiners: decay was never a part of the original design of this game. We used to have corpses that would drop items, but if you paid insurance, you would never lose anything at all from dying. Decay was a compromise brought in when corpses kept getting stuck under houses, leading the devs to remove corpses entirely, resulting in no death penalty at all. The decay compromise was far from perfect, and has been changed to a system that's still not ideal, but is better than the original implementation. Now JTL's decay system needs a little work, and I wouldn't mind if it were exactly the same as with the ground game, which is satisfactory. It would sure go a long way towards getting more people out there killing each other, and I think we can all agree that's always a good thing.

Using horribly narrow terminology and acting as though the people who respond to your thread are obviously below your intellect isn't going to help your argument. But to make a long post short, Star Wars Galaxies is a game as well it has within it a simulation of an economy. If the game is no fun, the economy will crash because noone will play it. Of course your concern is the economy will stagnate because people will use thier same equipment forever. This won't happen because those truely concerned with PvP will still try new configurations, following the flavor of the month, and buy new stuff. As well, even before the deep space decay removal, most of my personal decay came from PvE because I decided to not do PvP out of fear of losing my good components.

So to sum everything up in that chunk of text: The less fun you make the game, the more you limit your customer pool.

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Arryth wrote:
Well Naja let me carefully explain something to you... This is a GAME... and games are supposed to be fun. PVP is supposed to be fun... haveing your ship trashed completely in a matter of days and then haveing to replace it is NOT fun, especially being that space does not generate cash enough to support its self. Decayless pvp is just fine. Go cry some where else.

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/sigh

If I had a dollar for everytime someone threw the old line of "This is a GAME",I would probablybe quite wealthy.

Fact of the matter is... this is NOT a game.. Even though SOE market's it as a "game",it is, in fact,a Simulation.

Games have a defined goal with a limited lifespan... easily seen, although perhaps tough to reach... but an end-goal just the same. Football is a game... Golf is a game... Soccer is a game... Ping Pong is a game... Monopoly is a game... The original XW-CD was a game... The Olympics are games... any type of competition that can be looked at and seen as having a definite goal"can be defined" asa game. Until the advent of MMORPG across networks, ALL PC games were exactly that... games with specified goals.

Simulations have certain characteristics thatare common across the genre...

- They all tend to have no defined goal

- The tend to be self-sustaining

- They tend to be complex, with intertwined facets and an economy which arewholely interdependent on each other

- They can have an infinite number of permutations of outcome based on events and input from participants.

- Theynormally "mimic" aspects of reality... True, it is almost impossible to mimic all aspects of reality when building and maintaining a simulation based on Science Fiction/Fantasy.

- They all tend to teach things... economics... resource management... tactics... cooperation... etc., etc., etc.

The developers of SWG have done a marvelous job in buildinga superior simulation which could be fun and live forever, if people would shut up and learn towork the simulation of SWGwithin the boundaries of the defined simulation parameters. They might even learn a thing or two about the mechanics of "real life"... before they have to go out into the "real world" and get slapped down into the "real gutters."

As far as your statement to "... go cry somewhere else", I guess that I'll have to lower myself to your level, even though it really pains me to do so,and respond with something that you'll have no trouble understanding and in words of two syllables or less (see original posting)... "go pack sand until it gags you, twerp."

/bow

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